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Link Posted: 4/6/2014 9:57:42 AM EDT
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Why would I carry any weapon with an empty chamber? Maybe back in the cowboys days with their wheel guns it made sense, now? No reason.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 9:58:51 AM EDT
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I thought that might be the case but wasn't sure. Some people believe, and will espouse as fact, that any revolver with a hammer mounted pin is unsafe to carry with the hammer down on a loaded chamber.

I even remember someone here who encountered a guy who thought it was an unsafe practice with any revolver - and thus carried only four rounds in his 642.
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Yikes.

Yeah, that's not me.  
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 10:05:32 AM EDT
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I carry an M&P 340 without an issue





A revolver isn't just going to go off in your pocket.

 
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 10:11:32 AM EDT
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OP, Your question would solicit more informative answers without the sarcastic replies if you reposted in the handgun forums.

I'm a automatic guy and know dickall about revolvers myself. I'd recommend staying out of the general discussions forums altogether for technical questions. . It gets to be a bit much at times in here.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 10:15:41 AM EDT
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2 in the pipe.... Hell with it.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 10:29:30 AM EDT
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I keep it +1 if I have it in a holster on my person. I keep an empty chamber when it is not on my person. My reasoning is that any gun worthy of carrying is plenty safe with a loaded chamber and any gun of mine not directly under my control could possibly benefit from that 1 more necessary step in the event someone other than me goes to touching it. For example: locked in a box in my car while at work.

Any gun not safe with one in the chamber should be gotten rid of IMHO and any user not safe with a weapon with one in the chamber should be correcting that issue before carrying.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 10:38:17 AM EDT
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I know all about the notches.  I simply don't trust them.

I have tried carrying it with the hammer resting in a notch.  Later, I discovered it had slipped out of the notch, and was resting on the rim of a live cartridge.  Once was enough, a sharp blow to the hammer, or dropping it could have lead to an AD.

Reading about a safety feature in a manual is one thing.  Actually using it can be another.  Hammer down on an empty chamber is much safer than the so called "safety notch".

Maybe it was a one in a million occurrence, but it happened.  Doesn't take much to pull the hammer back far enough for the cylinder to rotate.  It was in a pocket holster when this happened.
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 Why?

You know that they're designed with a notch between the cylinders, for the hammer to rest safely away from any primers? So that you don't have to leave a chamber empty?

You knew about the safety features on a gun you own, right?  


I know all about the notches.  I simply don't trust them.

I have tried carrying it with the hammer resting in a notch.  Later, I discovered it had slipped out of the notch, and was resting on the rim of a live cartridge.  Once was enough, a sharp blow to the hammer, or dropping it could have lead to an AD.

Reading about a safety feature in a manual is one thing.  Actually using it can be another.  Hammer down on an empty chamber is much safer than the so called "safety notch".

Maybe it was a one in a million occurrence, but it happened.  Doesn't take much to pull the hammer back far enough for the cylinder to rotate.  It was in a pocket holster when this happened.



Damn. I wouldn't even carry it at all in that case.

The importance of actually using your equipment can apparently not be overstated.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 10:43:18 AM EDT
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This is the only gun I carry in condition three.





Link Posted: 4/6/2014 10:45:13 AM EDT
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You should read the manual for the NAA... There are carry slots for the hammer to rest between the chambers to safely allow a full cylinder.
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I own a NAA .22 Magnum mini-revolver.  If I were to carry it, yes, it would be with an empty chamber.  Same for my single action army clone.

Other than those 2, fill the chamber.


You should read the manual for the NAA... There are carry slots for the hammer to rest between the chambers to safely allow a full cylinder.


came to post this.

+1 all except SAA.

clown


Link Posted: 4/6/2014 10:54:36 AM EDT
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Used to be an NYPD thing, if I remember right.  1st one to come up in a DA pull was empty, so the bad guy who just took your gun would go "Huh?" when it clicked, while you got your back up.  Kind of went away after security holster came about.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 11:04:25 AM EDT
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Used to be an NYPD thing, if I remember right.  1st one to come up in a DA pull was empty, so the bad guy who just took your gun would go "Huh?" when it clicked, while you got your back up.  Kind of went away after security holster came about.
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I think most people can pull a trigger twice before most people can draw a backup. NYPD: Making good firearms useless.



 
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 11:11:34 AM EDT
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About a page and a half too late.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 11:17:18 AM EDT
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I own a NAA .22 Magnum mini-revolver.  If I were to carry it, yes, it would be with an empty chamber.  Same for my single action army clone.

Other than those 2, fill the chamber.
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. If you look closely at your NAA, you'll see notches on the
Back of the cylinder between the chambers. You carry the
gun with the hammer down with it resting in the notch.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 11:20:18 AM EDT
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. If you look closely at your NAA, you'll see notches on the
Back of the cylinder between the chambers. You carry the
gun with the hammer down with it resting in the notch.
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I own a NAA .22 Magnum mini-revolver.  If I were to carry it, yes, it would be with an empty chamber.  Same for my single action army clone.

Other than those 2, fill the chamber.

. If you look closely at your NAA, you'll see notches on the
Back of the cylinder between the chambers. You carry the
gun with the hammer down with it resting in the notch.


If you look at my earlier post, you will see why I don't trust those notches.


Link Posted: 4/6/2014 11:25:46 AM EDT
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What?
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 11:41:03 AM EDT
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Only explanation....
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:00:42 PM EDT
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Only explanation....
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Only explanation....

It's still early.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:02:08 PM EDT
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I would only carry w/o a round in chamber if I was mounted carrying a SAA.
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Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:15:12 PM EDT
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In a high stress situation you are likely to have a bit more difficulty with skills that require fine motor control.

Racking the slide is more of a fine motor control skill than just thumbing the safety off, aiming, and squeezing the trigger.


If it's truly a SHFT situation you don't have TIME to fuck with the mechanisms on your gun.   If you need to do that, you are
gambling your very life against the possibility that you might fumble the loading part and give your opponent the time he needs to win.


If THAT moment comes to your life,  you will be in the best possible position if all you have to do is draw, aim, and fire.  ANY additional tasks
that you have to perform as part of that process will reduce your odds of achieving a favorable outcome.

Carrying a revolver with the hammer down over an empty chamber is fine.  That's a safe way to do it.  When you draw and squeeze the trigger (Double action)
then it'll work.  

But on a semi,  you need to carry with one in the chamber and get used to it.   But don't carry a semi pistol in that condition unless it's also in a holster that
prevents accidental manipulation of the safety and trigger.    

General George Patton once had an AD in his own home with a 1911 while carrying in the "Mexican carry" style.   Which is cocked and locked but without a holster.  

He never quite trusted the 1911 after that incident, even though he considered it to be a good gun.  A good gun that needs to be carried in a holster if carried
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thank you. you are a good man for offering a great honest response. too many on here degrade other members for simply for asking a question and, in the end, instead of getting help or useful responses, the OP just gets a bunch of snarky comments without ever getting resolution.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:16:36 PM EDT
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If I was carrying an SAA, I wouldn't allow anything to mount me.

5 rounds of .45 Colt goodness should prevent that.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:20:48 PM EDT
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Always one under the hammer or in the chamber.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:25:53 PM EDT
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It's still early.
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OP IS DRUNK/HIGH/GHEY.



Only explanation....

It's still early.


You know the saying: You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:29:42 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:31:49 PM EDT
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You know the saying: You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.
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OP IS DRUNK/HIGH/GHEY.



Only explanation....

It's still early.


You know the saying: You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.

I'll probably still be drinking when a lot of the mouthbreathers are told by their moms to go to bed in the basement.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:32:24 PM EDT
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Why would I carry any weapon with an empty chamber? Maybe back in the cowboys days with their wheel guns it made sense, now? No reason.
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Yep, any modern weapon that isn't safe to carry chambered is either substandard or an antique.

Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:38:47 PM EDT
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Not unless it was an authentic SAA I wouldn't.  Carrying on an empty chamber with a revolver is a holdover from the pre transfer bar days.  With a modern revolver, there's no point in doing so.

Your Sig has a manual safety.  Put it in a good pocket holster, put the safety on, and carry it with a round in the chamber.

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Do you all carry revolvers on an empty chamber?


Not unless it was an authentic SAA I wouldn't.  Carrying on an empty chamber with a revolver is a holdover from the pre transfer bar days.  With a modern revolver, there's no point in doing so.

Your Sig has a manual safety.  Put it in a good pocket holster, put the safety on, and carry it with a round in the chamber.



This!
That's all.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:41:42 PM EDT
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I'll probably still be drinking when a lot of the mouthbreathers are told by their moms to go to bed in the basement.
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OP IS DRUNK/HIGH/GHEY.



Only explanation....

It's still early.


You know the saying: You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.

I'll probably still be drinking when a lot of the mouthbreathers are told by their moms to go to bed in the basement.



As long as you only fill your glass 4/5 full.

Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:45:52 PM EDT
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Right!  WTF kind of revolver are you carrying?
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:47:04 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/6/2014 12:49:46 PM EDT
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I own a NAA .22 Magnum mini-revolver.  If I were to carry it, yes, it would be with an empty chamber.  Same for my single action army clone.

Other than those 2, fill the chamber.
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why not use the safety notch on the NAA cylinder?
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 1:05:25 PM EDT
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why not use the safety notch on the NAA cylinder?
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I own a NAA .22 Magnum mini-revolver.  If I were to carry it, yes, it would be with an empty chamber.  Same for my single action army clone.

Other than those 2, fill the chamber.


why not use the safety notch on the NAA cylinder?


I have explained previously.

I have experienced the hammer slipping out of that notch.  It doesn't take much to move that hammer spur back, and then the cylinder only has to rotate a little to bring the rim of a cartridge beneath it.

I don't trust those notches.  I prefer to place the hammer on an empty chamber.  It is not likely to move when that is done.  

The scenarios where 5 shots would work when 4 wouldn't are very few.  

I consider it just prudent to carry any single action revolver with the hammer on an empty chamber.  
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 1:09:02 PM EDT
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Carrying with an empty chamber is dumb.

A single action pocket pistol with a safety is dumb too.

I've never understood the draw of the Sig P238/938 for pocket carry.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 1:12:36 PM EDT
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Always one in the pipe. If your method of carry doesn't allow for that, then you need to change your method of carry. I may not even get the gun out into the fight; I am not going to presume that, if I do, I will have time to rack the slide.

My other arm may be incapacitated or busy holding onto something. The gun needs to be ready to go when it comes out. Period.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 5:46:05 PM EDT
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I had a knowledgeable LGS employee tell that empty chamber was the only safe way to carry any gun.

I asked how cops generally carry...her reply was .
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Single action revolvers? Yes. Everything else I carry one in the chamber.
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Link Posted: 4/6/2014 6:06:33 PM EDT
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It was a fun attempt to create some Sunday head explosions. I do really carry my 938 as described.

It is my backup gun.
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A troll post from an 06'er with over 5000 post's WTF ?




It was a fun attempt to create some Sunday head explosions. I do really carry my 938 as described.

It is my backup gun.




 
Wat.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 6:10:16 PM EDT
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OP, Your question would solicit more informative answers without the sarcastic replies if you reposted in the handgun forums.

I'm a automatic guy and know dickall about revolvers myself. I'd recommend staying out of the general discussions forums altogether for technical questions. . It gets to be a bit much at times in here.
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The OP already stated that this is a troll thread.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 6:12:01 PM EDT
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It was a fun attempt to create some Sunday head explosions. I do really carry my 938 as described.
It is my backup gun.
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It was a fun attempt to create some Sunday head explosions. I do really carry my 938 as described.
It is my backup gun.


So your primary carry gun goes down, meaning you are not just about to be but are actually in the middle of a life or death shoot out.

You go for your backup gun and you don't have a round in the chamber...  
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 6:19:59 PM EDT
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I don't yet have a holster for my little .380 mouse gun, but when I 'm expected at a "gun free zone", I just have to carry that. But when I do, I do not have one in the chamber.

I will only carry guns with one in the pipe if I'm wearing the holster. IMO it is highly unsafe otherwise.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 6:25:36 PM EDT
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I'll never understand the unchambered crowd.  Your life, your choice...
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Link Posted: 4/6/2014 6:31:55 PM EDT
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Guns are icky poo poo.

I will deter assailants with my super farting powers.

Like Howard Stern's "Fartman" character.  With lightning bolts that come shooting out of my ass.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 6:34:05 PM EDT
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I don't yet have a holster for my little .380 mouse gun, but when I 'm expected at a "gun free zone", I just have to carry that. But when I do, I do not have one in the chamber.

I will only carry guns with one in the pipe if I'm wearing the holster. IMO it is highly unsafe otherwise.
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Dude the DeSantis Nemesis only costs $20 and works great.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 6:37:12 PM EDT
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Do you all carry revolvers on an empty chamber? If I'm carrying my 1911 I carry cocked and locked.
If I carry my Sig 938 I carry with an empty chamber, because I carry it in my pocket. Just trying to
expand my understanding of why some do some don't. Rock on.
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That used to be the only safe way to carry a single action (old style) revolver like a Colt 45.  The firing pin was an actual pin attached to the hammer so if the hammer was down and a round was in the chamber under the hammer....the firing pin would actually be pushed into the primer and a hit on the hammer would result in...BANG.  Newer designs resolve this issue...like newer Ruger Blackhawks use a transfer bar that makes it safe to carry a round under the dropped hammer.
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 6:42:28 PM EDT
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I have actually FIRED a gun once.
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Dude the DeSantis Nemesis only costs $20 and works great.
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I don't yet have a holster for my little .380 mouse gun, but when I 'm expected at a "gun free zone", I just have to carry that. But when I do, I do not have one in the chamber.

I will only carry guns with one in the pipe if I'm wearing the holster. IMO it is highly unsafe otherwise.


Dude the DeSantis Nemesis only costs $20 and works great.


I'll definitely be looking into that...
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I don't yet have a holster for my little .380 mouse gun, but when I 'm expected at a "gun free zone", I just have to carry that. But when I do, I do not have one in the chamber.



I will only carry guns with one in the pipe if I'm wearing the holster. IMO it is highly unsafe otherwise.




Dude the DeSantis Nemesis only costs $20 and works great.




I'll definitely be looking into that...




 
Link Posted: 4/6/2014 7:30:17 PM EDT
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Have fun with that empty chamber when you really, really need a full chamber OP.

Carrying at Condition 3 is never a good way to protect yourself. Pistols have safeties and most revolvers have transfer bars. No reason to carry on an empty chamber.
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Uh, don't those have a safety notches between each cylinder hole so you can carry it hammer down but not on a round? YES.


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I own a NAA .22 Magnum mini-revolver.  If I were to carry it, yes, it would be with an empty chamber.


Uh, don't those have a safety notches between each cylinder hole so you can carry it hammer down but not on a round? YES.



Not all of them. I had an old pre-safety notch version. That, and in pocket carry, according to people on the NAA messagoe board, it's common fort the hammer to be pulled put of the safety notch.

ETA-I see the notch hazards have been explained. Doesn't change the fact that there are lots of pre safety notch guns out there still.
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Learn your weapon. Carry ready to fo.
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