Cross posting from the riot thread:

So I went frame by frame in that video and I'm seeing muzzle flash from what looks like in front of the car at the 40s mark, or am I crazy?



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Long gone are the days of slogging out a 1 1/2 mile run in 13 min or < and limping it to Sqdn BBQ For Beer and Brats with a follow on night of Dorm party alcohol fueled debauchery .

A lot of Airmen don't adjust eating style after basic/tech school and three squares of unhealthy chow hall food + Beer  + no physical training because who wants to do that after a 14hr duty day= Chunky Airmen failing PT ( BFI )  and getting the boot.

Holy smokes

More proof lolberterians are indeed retarded

He is an anarcho libertarian.
He has libertarian likes, he also has a number of anarchist likes.

The anarchy brings him in league with the other anarchy communists on the stage. He views the commies as allies in whatever struggle he is dealing with against the State.

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You'd be surprised. The minimum 1.5 mile run time for dudes under 25 was like 11:27 just before I got out. Even before I got hurt I couldnt break 12 minutes. I ended up doing the dumbass walk test for 4 years in a row because I couldn't run more than 1/4 mile without being in agony. Pushups were 45 in a minute, sit ups 54, and waist was 36 or something. Shit wasnt THAT easy, but it wasnt impossible to pass.

I guess they changed it for men under 30 is like 13:36 now which is still an 8:45 mile. Min pushups is 33, 42 situps, and waist is 39" which seems fat as shit but there are some bigger guys are are just built like brick shithouses that were failing when it was lower. Everyone except for the old and lazy meet waist with ease.

He went, armed, to an illegal riot organized by Marxist scum.  

I don't give a fuck what his idiotbook page SAYS, I will, however, look at what he DID and make a judgement.

He's a good commie.

That’s some hardcore fucking trolling, from a fellow -07er

Fuck him, and fuck his ilk.  Point an AK at me while I’m trying to travel peacefully in my car, and I’ll turn you into a rug on my fucking wall

Well, you're experience as a criminal prosecutor or defense attorney may be different than mine.

But in my experience (sixty felony jury trials, about a dozen of them murder trials, one of them as a defense attorney), all of that stuff you are worried about, gets straightened out before trial.   People like the kind of idiots who join AntiFA and BLM are not nearly as good at fooling the court system, as they always think they will be.  And, you don't count the witnesses for each side to see who wins.   It's quality of testimony, not quantity.

Plus, as a prosecutor, the worst murder cases to try, were where the defendant pleads self-defense.  They were really tough even when I knew it was BS. (The non-BS ones never made it out of Grand Jury).  

With an affirmative plea of self-defense, there is one issue and one issue only, for a jury to decide.  

Was it reasonable to believe that an armed man, part of a mob in a riot situation, running up to your car and surrounding it meant you harm?   I don't even think it's a close question.  It doesn't matter if the dead guy didn't shoot at him, (of course, it's a slam dunk, try it with your eyes closed, half drunk, and still win, if he did).   And, the standard of proof here,  isn't more likely than not, like a civil case. This is beyond a reasonable doubt.  That's what the judge will tell the jury in the instructions."  Do you find, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant's belief that the deceased was about to attempt to inflict death or serious bodily harm on him, was unreasonable,  based what he believed to be true at the time?   It's a tough standard.  

And, the first thing I would be doing, as a defense attorney, was asking for a change of venue due to pre-trial publicity and the defendant's inability to get a fair trial.  And, I would  be appealing that ruling if I lost.  Because, any normal jury would probably see it that way.  

Again, it doesn't matter if you're wrong, as long as your belief was reasonable.    That's it.

You may notice, of those sixty jury trials, only one was as a defense attorney.   That one case was a murder case I won, (not that long ago, after I retired from my law enforcement federal agent job that I had after being a prosecutor), where I came to believe later, that my client was guilty as sin.  I never tried another one as a defense attorney.   It wasn't that I was so good.  It's that the prosecutor was so bad.  They are hard cases and he wasn't that good.

Will there be any "rest in power" lowers
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I've been shot at with an AK.  That audio sucks, and doesn't sound like any rifle fired at me.  

But, hey, apparently, this place is filed with SMEs when it comes to the sound of gunfire, especially when recorded with a shitty mic on a phone in an otherwise loud environment.....

Interview with the mother says the victim shot first. Unless there is something I am missing the first shots were from the report of a rifle (almost certainly the shooters AK-47) and the next shots sounded like they were from the victims pistol.

PSA just lost a customer.

Well communists lie so...

He is guilty of that, but he's still a Libertarian and there are plenty of Libertarians who have taken up the cause of BLM because they hate the police.   Just go look at their FB groups, they almost all have some pathetic ass condolence to this shit stain.  Libertarians are just the new useful idiots that believe in utopia.

This, fuck that America-hating motherfucker.

10 people already beat you to the punch.

Setting up roadblocks isn't "speech."

Spin what?  I'm glad the commie got smoke checked.  I think it's a good, nay, GREAT shoot even if the occupant of the vehicle fired first.

I hope that is clear enough.

I don't, however, agree that the audio is compelling that the first shots are an AKM.  But, hey, maybe all those smarter guys got shot at more than me and remember it better.  I do have pretty bad tinnitus......

Like the "Eyewitness" who claimed that Saint Michael Brown of Ferguson had his hands UP & cried out "Don't Shoot!!"

Off he goes in to the wild blue yonder....

Not much of a loss.  Sometimes stupid hurts.  He got hurt.  HE gone.

Self-admitted trolling by Mods?  We’ve reached a new low I guess

He was pretty clearly a big-L Libertarian, there’s a certain strain of them that are currently eating up the BLM propaganda because of the fuck cops/fuck the state angle apparently.

His FB page is essentially straight Jo Jorgensen memes, and with Jorgensen quoting murdering terrorist Angela Davis recently I’m hardly surprised.

The first shots were in the open. The return fire was muffled. Logical to believe they came from within the car.

Why in blue fuck would the defense try to keep the dead shitbag's interview out? That would be my exhibit number fucking one. Goes to state of mind of the decedent because it is nearly contemporaneous with the event and should be admissible.

This is why I don't venture outside the Riot thread much.

So many white knights trying to defend a dead fucking commie....yes commie.   You march in support of Marxism/communism, guess what you're now one of them.

Libertarians are still retards fwiw.

Token race card?

Is that a thing?

Good shoot, one less asshole protester to worry about.

Now if they could just change the RoE on those idiots shining lasers....

shit bags memorial fund is about to hit 100K on gofundme

A quadriplegic who can move her arms?  

That's magic

guess his sit and spin wife will be rollin all the way to the bank

He meant prosecution

Most people here called him a Terrorist, which he was.

@WesJanson looks like your theory was correct.

Wait till the lawyer fight for the money starts. That's not his wife and mommy will want the cash.

Your Airmen chose poorly.
ZFG

You read my mind. Well stated!

Welcome back

Somebody in this thread posted Alcohol Fetal Syndrome earlier. Considering the appearance of his face and head, his physical (and perhaps mental) problems in the AF, and his behavior as a civie certainly wouldn't rule that out.

Yes or no, he ended up dying a useful idiot. Poor guy.

..or were fired from someone on the opposite side of the car, as it departed.




Everyone here is desperately wanting to ignore that we have an individual openly admitting they fired three rounds at the car.

Three rounds...just like gets heard at the end of the video.

Seriously, a bunch of you guys are going to be in utter denial when it comes out that AK dipshit never got a round off, unless someone releases a better quality video.

I figured it out...  
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Based on the video and some still images out there, it is self defense.  Doesn't matter who shot first.  Doesn't matter if AK guy even pointed the rifle at him.  A reasonable person would fear serious bodily injury in the driver's situation.

Where is the coefficient or added time for the ascot?  A squid wants to know.  

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Don't bother.

I've been told that the first shots have to be an AK.  Because, reasons.

I've said it didn't sound like any AK fired at me.

I was called an idiot.

Now, PD says AK guy never fired, car guy fired 5, medic fired three.

Crickets.....

Oh you’re not wrong. We are a fickle bunch.  Mask or no mask.. light beer or regular beer?