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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:48:30 PM EDT
 J. Robert Oppenheimer: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." Next to Truman who actually authorized not one but two atom bomb drops Oppenheimers face says it all Win but was the cost worth it? |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:51:48 PM EDT
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Yes.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:52:06 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb13ynu3IacNext to Truman who actually authorized not one but two atom bomb drops Oppenheimers face says it all Win but was the cost worth it? |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:53:56 PM EDT
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But of course.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:55:05 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: fuck yes it was. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:55:52 PM EDT
[#5]
Not winning would have cost so much more.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:56:11 PM EDT
[#6]
It was a bargain.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:56:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb13ynu3IacNext to Truman who actually authorized not one but two atom bomb drops Oppenheimers face says it all Win but was the cost worth it? Yes. Nobody wanted to invade Japan. The costs in lives on both sides would have been horrendous. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:56:13 PM EDT
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Oppenheimer was a creep, cretin, communist sympathizer, philanderer and a dick bag.
I know plenty of people are in the only Oppenheimer could have done it camp, but this never made much sense to me. As far as the cost in lives to an invasion of the home islands, it would have been horrendous. After 4 years of brutal fighting in the Pacific the U.S. military would have bombed every house, road and building. The joes on t he ground would have killed anyone that resisted or that did not comply fast enough. The battle for Okinawa convinced everyone in the U.S. military that the Japaneses were going to go down hard no matter what we did. Just consider mass suicide by civilians in order to avoid capture by the Americans. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:56:24 PM EDT
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Seeing how my grandfather was going to be part of the invasion (32nd ID)...it was absolutely worth it.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:56:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fuck yes it was. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb13ynu3IacNext to Truman who actually authorized not one but two atom bomb drops Oppenheimers face says it all Win but was the cost worth it? This. Yes. My Grandfather in the 1st Cav was being prepped for the invasion of the Jap homeland.  Sew the wind, reap the whirlwind. ZFG. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:56:57 PM EDT
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Back when Men took care of business. Now it is soyboys fighting fighting restrained police. Maybe we should Oppenheimer a city or two and take our country back.
Jm2c |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:59:49 PM EDT
[#12]
It was absolutely worth it, not only to save the lives of 500,000+ American and allied troop’s lives but to save the lives of the Japanese nation and culture which would have been wiped off the face of the earth.
They were giving out bamboo spears to everyone. There was going to be no surrender without the bomb. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:00:22 PM EDT
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Or how about the logic used by Theodore Hall, he decided to equalize the playing field, contacted the Soviets and volunteered to keep them apprised of the bomb research. Because he thought it was unsafe for the world for only the US to have the power. WTF for a nuclear physicist he sure was a massive idiot. Neils Bohr, same thing. Assholes. The very thing they claim to have been trying to prevent by their actions, they brought upon the world
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:01:26 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Back when Men took care of business. Now it is soyboys fighting fighting restrained police. Maybe we should Oppenheimer a city or two and take our country back. Jm2c Yes let's nuke ourselves. Fantastic idea. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:02:24 PM EDT
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I don’t understand the hand wringing over nuclear weapons. Someone was going to develop them, it is just physics and how the universe is made. If Oppenheimer didn’t do it someone else would’ve. I’m damn glad we were first.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:05:57 PM EDT
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I told my 9yo grandson it was the anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. He said "It was good we did it". When I said he might find people to disagree he said "Why, they would never have stopped fighting until they were all dead". Figured it out from his reading, none of us ever mentioned it.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:06:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t understand the hand wringing over nuclear weapons. Someone was going to develop them, it is just physics and how the universe is made. If Oppenheimer didn’t do it someone else would’ve. I’m damn glad we were first. Yes sir. Another tool in the toolbox. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:07:39 PM EDT
[#18]
Worth the cost.
I've also nicknamed both my labs Krishna while they were puppies, as lab puppies are literally, The Destroyer of Worlds. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:11:07 PM EDT
[#19]
"Start out like you can hold out". This old saying gets used in hard times when you know things will get bad. The Japs hit us with a sucker punch and we repaid them in kind. Twice.
My direct family was spread across the globe from Europe to the South Pacific and to a man they all made it home. I never once heard one of these old timers lament using the bomb. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:15:52 PM EDT
[#20]
Drama queen.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:19:21 PM EDT
[#21]
 Thanos vs J Robert Oppenheimer. Epic Rap Battles of History |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:19:29 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb13ynu3IacNext to Truman who actually authorized not one but two atom bomb drops Oppenheimers face says it all Win but was the cost worth it? Their only mistake was not stockpiling nukes first and then unleashing a Dresden-style carpet bombing of Japan... except with nukes. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:20:13 PM EDT
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Is this a shadowgate IIA thread? Of course it was worth it. Land invasion of mainland japan would have made anything in the Middle East look like happy fun time.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:20:55 PM EDT
[#24]
 Attached FileYou do qualify your remarks. If someone asked me if we should bomb Japan, a simple "Yes." By all means sir, drop that fucker, twice! I don't mean to suggest that you're indecisive, Mr Hunter. Not at all. Just, uh... complicated. 'course, that's the way the Navy wants you. Me, they wanted simple |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:22:57 PM EDT
[#25]
To answer your question; yes. Yes, it was worth it.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:26:21 PM EDT
[#26]
A bargain at twice the price. My granddad was on a boat heading towards Japan when the surrender was signed, ended up being part of the occupying force afterwards
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:33:00 PM EDT
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Check out Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcasts on The Destroyer of Worlds and then the Supernova in the East series. Fascinating stuff.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:44:04 PM EDT
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[youtube]v1vXC-vKgKg[/youtube
Beaten like a rented mule. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:48:58 PM EDT
[#29]
Doesn't matter.
You can't change it. Fuck um. And do it again to the next deserving assholes! |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:49:38 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [youtube]v1vXC-vKgKg[/youtube Beaten like a rented mule. What a time to be alive. 
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:55:22 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Worth the cost. I've also nicknamed both my labs Krishna while they were puppies, as lab puppies are literally, The Destroyer of Worlds. Hah! Labs "Chew 'till two". |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:55:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering the bushido code the alternative would have meant hundreds of thousands of American lives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: fuck yes it was. It saved umpteen millions of Japs too. on Okinawa civilians were committing suicide in droves. It has also "kept the peace" for the last 75 years. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:57:47 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It saved umpteen millions of Japs too. on Okinawa civilians were committing suicide in droves. It has also "kept the peace" for the last 75 years. Yeah, I guess in 30 minutes it can all change |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 9:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back when Men took care of business. Now it is soyboys fighting fighting restrained police. Maybe we should Oppenheimer a city or two and take our country back. Jm2c Uh, Oppenheimer was a 130 pound communist who couldn't pass the Army physical because he was so underweight. He was also brilliant and we wouldn't have developed the bomb in time without him. Things are usually more nuanced than people would like to believe  |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:01:52 PM EDT
[#35]
Was it worth it? Japan fucked around, and found out!
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:07:22 PM EDT
[#36]
what a puss . |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:09:20 PM EDT
[#37]
We should have dropped 200 more IMO.
The Japanese earned it. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:12:18 PM EDT
[#38]
I sincerely hope the anecdote about his meeting with Truman is real.
Oppenheimer allegedly said "Mr. President, I feel as if I have blood on my hands." Truman angrily tossed him his handkerchief and replied "Well wipe them off! The blood is on my hands." He then told his aide to never let that crybaby pansy in the Whitehouse again. W,stte....
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:12:20 PM EDT
[#39]
Yes, it was. It was better for the Allies, better for the Japanese and better for the world.
Honestly, I don't even understand how anyone could think otherwise. For starters the Allies weren't just going to go away and leave the Japanese empire intact with their leaders still in place and still attempting to build a nuclear bomb of their own. And they were not going to surrender. Hell, they didn't surrender after the first bomb and they were given the opportunity. 3 days passed between Little Boy and Fat Man. If we hadn't nuked them, regular bombings would have continued, including the possibility of more fire bombings, and an invasion would have taken place. IMO and the opinion of most experts the death toll on both sides would have been in the millions. It would have been unimaginably worse. And eventually nukes would have been used. Fat Man was 80 times more powerful than Little Boy. Even a year or two later they would have been more powerful. By 1960 we could build nuclear bombs several thousands times more powerful than Fat Man. The world had to see it before we could know how horrible it was. It was best seeing it when the bombs were still small. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:13:24 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t understand the hand wringing over nuclear weapons. Someone was going to develop them, it is just physics and how the universe is made. If Oppenheimer didn’t do it someone else would’ve. I’m damn glad we were first. Bingo. Plus without them we probably would have fought an incredibly bloody war with the Soviet Union. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:15:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drama queen. Yep. Pretty privileged of him to wring and gnash his hands because he wasn't the one fighting hand to hand in a midnight jungle fresh off a LCI in the Pacific on some shitty atoll that no one can find on a map. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:15:34 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seeing how my grandfather was going to be part of the invasion (32nd ID)...it was absolutely worth it. My paternal grandfather was also a "Red Arrow". |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:16:48 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I sincerely hope the anecdote about his meeting with Truman is real. Oppenheimer allegedly said "Mr. President, I feel as if I have blood on my hands." Truman angrily tossed him his handkerchief and replied "Well wipe them off! The blood is on my hands." He then told his aide to never let that crybaby pansy in the Whitehouse again. W,stte.... |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:19:10 PM EDT
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Plunged the world into the nuclear age. For the first time, man gained the power to destroy mankind.
Probably not a good thing, on the whole. However, that cat was never going to stay in the bag. Someone was going to discover it, and use it. I'm glad it was us. I sometimes wonder on what date there were enough nuclear weapons on Earth to render humans extinct. Was it on completion of the 50th bomb? 100th? 1,000th? Hard to know for sure, as it would depend on where they were deployed. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:20:38 PM EDT
[#45]
Absolutely.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:20:43 PM EDT
[#46]
My dad was staged in the Philippines, getting ready for the invasion of Japan, so I'm thankful for the bombs.
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plunged the world into the nuclear age. For the first time, man gained the power to destroy mankind. Probably not a good thing, on the whole. However, that cat was never going to stay in the bag. Someone was going to discover it, and use it. I'm glad it was us. I sometimes wonder on what date there were enough nuclear weapons on Earth to render humans extinct. Was it on completion of the 50th bomb? 100th? 1,000th? Hard to know for sure, as it would depend on where they were deployed. It’s a myth. Man doesn’t have the power to render humans extinct. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:22:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering the bushido code the alternative would have meant hundreds of thousands of American lives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: fuck yes it was. No doubt, but still a difficult decision and many what ifs for the future. Probably never had one day go by afterwards without guilt. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back when Men took care of business. Now it is soyboys fighting fighting restrained police. Maybe we should Oppenheimer a city or two and take our country back. Jm2c You should get some fresh air |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 10:26:11 PM EDT
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That bottle was going to be uncorked one way or another. The world being exposed to that type of power while it was in its infancy was the best possible outcome.
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