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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:22:39 PM EDT
https://ktvz.com/news/government-politics/2023/08/08/full-statement-by-oregon-secretary-of-state-on-m-113-decision-reaction-by-senate-gop-leader-tim-knopp-of-bend/

Oregon's secretary of state announced Tuesday that Republican lawmakers who stayed away from the Capitol for several days during the recent legislative session won't be allowed to file for re-election next year, due to Measure 113, and Senate GOP Leader Tim Knopp of Bend quickly vowed a court challenge to that decision.

Here's the full statement from Secretary of State LaVonne Griffin-Valade and the response from Oregon Senate Republicans:

Legislators Disqualified Under Measure 113 Will Not Be Allowed to File to Run in 2024  

Today, Secretary of State LaVonne Griffin-Valade directed the Oregon Elections Division to implement an administrative rule, providing guidance to candidates on Measure 113. The rule clarifies that Measure 113 disqualifies legislators with 10 or more unexcused absences during the 2023 legislative session from running for legislative seats in the 2024 election. This interpretation is consistent with legal advice provided to the Secretary of State by the Oregon Department of Justice.

“It is clear voters intended Measure 113 to disqualify legislators from running for reelection if they had 10 or more unexcused absences in a legislative session,” said Secretary Griffin-Valade. “My decision honors the voters’ intent by enforcing the measure the way it was commonly understood when Oregonians added it to our state constitution.”

Measure 113 states that 10 or more unexcused absences “shall disqualify the member from holding office as a Senator or Representative for the term following the election after the member’s current term is completed.” Some have suggested this language means a Senator who accumulated disqualifying absences in 2023 would be able to run in 2024 but be prohibited from running in 2028.

The courts, however, have emphasized that the text of adopted ballot measures must be interpreted in a way that is consistent with the voters’ intent. And voters universally understood Measure 113 would prohibit legislators who accumulate 10 or more unexcused absences during a legislative session from holding office in the immediate next term.

There are numerous materials supporting this interpretation. For example, the explanatory statement for Measure 113 in the voters’ pamphlet says the Measure disqualifies the legislator “from holding term of office after the legislator’s current term ends.” The Ballot Title states the Measure disqualifies the legislator from holding the “next term of office.” The Result of a “Yes” vote statement similarly provides that the legislator is disqualified from holding the “term following current term of office.”

Contemporaneous news reports are also consistent. For example, the Oregonian wrote on November 8, 2022 that legislators who run afoul of the measure “will be disallowed from serving in the Legislature during the subsequent term.” Similarly, the Lebanon Local News wrote in all caps that the measure would “BAN LEGISLATORS WITH 10 UNEXCUSED ABSENCES FROM SERVING NEXT TERM.” Arguments from the measure’s proponents also support this reading.

The Secretary found no suggestion prior to enactment – in the voters’ pamphlet, media, or otherwise – that the measure was understood or intended to allow absent legislators to serve an additional term after accumulating too many absences, and then be disqualified the term after that.

Voters intended the measure to prohibit legislators from holding the next term in office, and the Secretary has chosen to uphold the voters’ intent and apply Measure 113 to the 2024 election.


Senate Republicans to Challenge SOS on Measure 113

Today, the Oregon Secretary of State announced that she has directed the Oregon Elections Division to implement an administrative rule restricting access for members of the minority to run for office on arbitrary, capricious, and retaliatory unexcused absences assigned to members by Senate President Rob Wagner. The rule states that legislators with 10 or more unexcused absences are barred from appearing on the 2024 ballot. The Senate President has sole authority in determining whether an absence is unexcused and does not need to give any form of explanation.

Senate Republican Leader Tim Knopp (R-Bend) released the following statement:

“After repeated unlawful and unconstitutional actions by President Rob Wagner and other Democrat leaders in the 2023 Session, Senate Republicans held them accountable by peacefully pausing the session to gain compliance with Senate Rules, Oregon Law, and the Oregon Constitution. In retaliation, Wagner was quick to impose unexcused absences on members who challenged his failed leadership.

It appears the Democrat Attorney General and the Democrat Secretary of State are willing to cover for the Democrat Senate President Rob Wagner’s decision to ensure Measure 113 quashes the free speech of minority Senate Republicans as it was designed to do by political special interests.

We believe the plain language of Measure 113 allows for members to run again in 2024 elections. We disagree with the Secretary of State’s determination and will challenge it in court.”
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:25:47 PM EDT
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More of "The end justifies the means" bull hockey.





stupid commies


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They can only be stopped one way.....
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:28:53 PM EDT
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...or....show up to fucking work?
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:29:23 PM EDT
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With control of the executive legislative and judicial branch along with their buddies in the media the majority party shows how corrupt it is
 
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We are a banana republic boys lol
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:30:41 PM EDT
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Greatest nation in the world and they are peeing and pooping it away
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:31:23 PM EDT
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Really????
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:31:31 PM EDT
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Not showing up is sometimes the only way for Republicans in oregon to prevent the passage of a bill.

Would you rather have a symbolic no vote or actually stop a bill?
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:34:34 PM EDT
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Senate requires a "quorum" to call a vote.  There's no where near enough Republicans to stop the Dems from passing anything they want, but there are just enough Republicans to make a quorum impossible if they don't show up.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:35:40 PM EDT
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Both sides are the same

One side is playing tiddlywinks with a phone-book sized rulebook

They other side is trying to kill them.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:38:30 PM EDT
[#9]
This sounds a bit communist
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:38:40 PM EDT
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The last election was too close. They didn't like that.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:39:06 PM EDT
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Except the Dems have done the same thing in the past and seemed to think it was a perfectly acceptable tactic when they did it.

Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:40:47 PM EDT
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They walked out for a reason. Denying quorum is the only way to stop the Democrat majority. Remember, THEY had no problem walking out when the Republicans were in power in the past, and our former governor was one of the ones cheering them on for doing so - and also one of the vilest attackers against the Republicans when they returned the gesture. Meanwhile, they had a looong list of really sick and disturbing bills they were trying to pass. My biggest problem with all this is that after 6 weeks, the Republicans caved and went back. Typical spineless republicans, they had a good idea and moved on it - and then waffled halfway through, just to go back for a few minor concessions and a promise  to enforce a recent ballot measure that would ban them from re-election. What a bunch of cucks.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oregon-senate-republicans-end-6-week-walkout-that-blocked-bills-on-abortion-trans-health-care

Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:41:31 PM EDT
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The last box is getting closer by the day
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:44:28 PM EDT
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No quorum means no session, thus no session to be "absent" from, excused or otherwise.  None of those legislators had more than the stipulated absences for the sessions that had a quorum....
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:45:11 PM EDT
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Why cant we advocate for violent rebellion again?
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:45:21 PM EDT
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Yup. This exactly. It's the only way some 25+ counties in the state have any say.

I'd be rather tempted to write in their names even if they don't run. I'm not voting for some commie.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:47:33 PM EDT
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Because despite all the grumbling it is very clear at this moment.

You fo, you fo alone.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:51:09 PM EDT
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It’s uncivilized, or racist, I forget which.

Regardless, you need to be more like the honorable Democrats and support fucking the constitution. Any rebellion talk will violate COC.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:53:55 PM EDT
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A walk out to prevent a quorum in the Senate is protected political speech under the first amendment. Thus a walk out to prevent a quorum not fall under the Measure 113. If a walkout were deemed to still fall under the measure by the SOS, then Measure 113 itself is unconstitutional because it prevents political speech via prior restraint.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:55:11 PM EDT
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Hey, it's a supermajority for the Dims.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:55:51 PM EDT
[#21]
The Secretary of State just recently appointed.  Oh this should get fun.  What would Shemia have done????  

Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:57:02 PM EDT
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Was that law in place when the GOP staged their walkout?

I know the article  keeps saying “voter intent” but changing the law after the act seems a little “ex post facto.”
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:58:56 PM EDT
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Not showing up is sometimes the only way for Republicans in oregon to prevent the passage of a bill.

Would you rather have a symbolic no vote or actually stop a bill?

Ah, there it is. I knew there was something I missed.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:59:53 PM EDT
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They need to investigate Kotex too. She’s took cash money from the pot shop!!! And ftx!  The fucking corruption in Salem is freaking crazy.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:00:05 PM EDT
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More of "The end justifies the means" bull hockey.





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Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:08:28 PM EDT
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The lovely messaging was they can do that, it is not barred outright.  They just can't do it for more than 10 days or face consequences.  

I love the reading scores on the ballot.  College post-graduates only for the summary.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:09:26 PM EDT
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So they(pubs) took a play out of Dem playbook & are being punished for it? Better start whoopin some ass before the pussies fully take over.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:16:11 PM EDT
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More of "The end justifies the means" bull hockey.





stupid commies


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They can only be stopped one way.....
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With control of the executive legislative and judicial branch along with their buddies in the media the majority party shows how corrupt it is
 
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We are a banana republic boys lol
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Except the Dems have done the same thing in the past and seemed to think it was a perfectly acceptable tactic when they did it.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:20:33 PM EDT
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Oregon's been gone man. Andy Ngo's attackers just got off after Antifa's defense attorney openly threatened the jury in the court room, and the judge didn't do shit about it.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:26:47 PM EDT
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I’m pretty sure that poster would rather have the bill passed
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:33:19 PM EDT
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Define 'un-excused'
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:40:56 PM EDT
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Has anyone looked into how many unexcused absences the Dems have had?

Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:45:13 PM EDT
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Oregon is dead.  

I'll be hangin' on a while longer.  Not sure for how long.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:48:15 PM EDT
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It will hang on as long as everything else will.

It will hang on until there's this enormous thing in the sky that says in no uncertain terms. "The ponzi schemes are all over. You are all fucked."
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:53:03 PM EDT
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Now do it to democrats in Tx
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There are lessons here. About dealing with matters immediately, decisively and kinetically yourself, because you know the “justice” system will not deal with it.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:59:56 PM EDT
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read nothing but the headlines did you?
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 9:01:56 PM EDT
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Sucks for all the people who died of dysentery on the way there.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 9:02:24 PM EDT
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Democrats have found the solution to winning.  They are so unpopular that they cannot win via voting.  So, have your opponents arrested or declare them ineligible to run.  Simple.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 9:06:36 PM EDT
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Because despite all the grumbling it is very clear at this moment.

You fo, you fo alone.
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No one wants to be part of the 1st wave with heavy casualties,  everyone wants to be in the 2nd wave and celebrate victory.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 9:36:33 PM EDT
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Not showing up is sometimes the only way for Republicans in oregon to prevent the passage of a bill.

Would you rather have a symbolic no vote or actually stop a bill?

it's Oregon.  This is what the voters want.  Republicans trying to stop being steam-rollered by boycotting probably doesn't stop them from being crushed by the machine.

it's a done deal, fate sealed.  The band playing on the deck of the sinking Titanic.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 9:57:29 PM EDT
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Yes, yes, this is a better arrangement, comrades. More just.

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No one wants to be part of the 1st wave with heavy casualties,  everyone wants to be in the 2nd wave and celebrate victory.
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Because despite all the grumbling it is very clear at this moment.

You fo, you fo alone.



No one wants to be part of the 1st wave with heavy casualties,  everyone wants to be in the 2nd wave and celebrate victory.


Lines from the Aladdin cartoon series.

"Hey, our sides winning."

"You know what that means..."

"Join in at the last second and take credit for the victory!"
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 10:03:09 PM EDT
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Turns out they were the lucky ones
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 10:04:05 PM EDT
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Vote harder.



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Wow
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it's Oregon.  This is what the voters want.  Republicans trying to stop being steam-rollered by boycotting probably doesn't stop them from being crushed by the machine.

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Actually, not showing up, literally does jam up the machine. As I said, by not showing up, they prevent bills from being passed into laws.

It is the only action the legislators who represent red counties (which is most counties in the state) can take to effectively represent their constituents.

Being absent is what Oregon Republicans elect state legislators to do.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 10:14:37 PM EDT
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The Rs should demand to be recognized and request an excused absence each time they stand up to use the bathroom or leave the room for any other reason.

If someone doesn't ask for one, demand the parliamentarian mark them with an unexcused absence.

Demand the roll be called every 20 minutes to ensure a quorom, and demand to hear the excused or unexcused absence status of each person not present, etc.

Grind the legislature to a halt under their own rules.

Kharn
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Tad bit.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 10:17:26 PM EDT
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Why is the entire North West Pacific full of leftists of all types?
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