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Link Posted: 11/21/2023 3:16:16 PM EDT
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The big turn in human evolution was when we started cooking meat.  The brain uses 20% of our calorie intake despite averaging about 2% of our mass. Cooking meat helped the body access more of the nutrients by breaking down tissues and thus getting more calories and proteins into the body.

Yes NPR, but good info here:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/10/24/163536159/when-fire-met-meat-the-brains-of-early-humans-grew-bigger
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 3:18:24 PM EDT
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Go move a bunch of 25 to 100 ton stones many miles without cranes or trucks and tell me how you did it.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 3:18:28 PM EDT
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Intelligence is relative to many factors. Means intelligence has probably evolved somewhat but social intelligence has surpassed evolution. This discrepancy is probably the cause of most current conflict.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 3:19:43 PM EDT
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That makes a handful of Egyptians very smart and a whole lot more just livestock.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 3:22:06 PM EDT
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Today’s society lacks wisdom, almost nonexistent anymore.

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Forget wisdom, today's society has thrown common sense totally out the window and actively campaigns against it.

Link Posted: 11/21/2023 3:37:40 PM EDT
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In a crude sense, the same way we do it now, just much less efficiently.  I don't know why people think the pyramids are an uncrackable code.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 3:42:23 PM EDT
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It's not a leftist take, it's reality.
I'm not saying that there isn't a genetic component to intelligence, but it's 'tarded to argue that people, an average, were functional more intelligent than people are now. That doesn't mean that there weren't historically bright people, but the lack of educational opportunities certainly limited potential. It doesn't matter if your IQ is 125, if you still have to spend your entire life subsistence farming. IQ itself is relative. If you could timewarp someone that tested at 100 in the early 1900s to present day, and let them take an IQ test now, their modern score would fall far below 100.
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This is the leftist take (most/all intelligence is a function of environment...also conflating education with intelligence).  It's mostly bullshit.  They predicted that education alone would raise average intelligence in developing countries but the effects were marginal.  Teaching someone how to read better might increase their test score, but does it really mean they're more intelligent?  Doubtful.

Public education really became a thing around the time of the industrial revolution in order to create more efficient/obedient worker bees.
It's not a leftist take, it's reality.
I'm not saying that there isn't a genetic component to intelligence, but it's 'tarded to argue that people, an average, were functional more intelligent than people are now. That doesn't mean that there weren't historically bright people, but the lack of educational opportunities certainly limited potential. It doesn't matter if your IQ is 125, if you still have to spend your entire life subsistence farming. IQ itself is relative. If you could timewarp someone that tested at 100 in the early 1900s to present day, and let them take an IQ test now, their modern score would fall far below 100.

The arrogance is strong with this one. Almost like I’m reading the words of Michael Bloomberg.
Originally said by Michael Bloomberg
I could teach anybody … to be a farmer. … You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 3:44:13 PM EDT
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The average IQ has not increased in the relativity short amount of time of 2,000 years, or even 20,000.

Now our understanding of everything around us has increased.  The old addage of we all stand on the shoulders of giants is true
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 3:51:24 PM EDT
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That makes a handful of Egyptians very smart and a whole lot more just livestock.
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That makes a handful of Egyptians very smart and a whole lot more just livestock.
Their technology was borrowed from earlier developments over time, same as ours.

It's common for a simple minded guy to take a look at the mountain of technology we have, brag that he can interact with it all, and talk about how stupid the earlier generations were when he's just standing on their shoulders.

The science, music, literature, philosophy, and the basic skills of living of people living hundreds or thousands of years ago are impressive.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 3:59:18 PM EDT
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The arrogance is strong with this one. Almost like I'm reading the words of Michael Bloomberg.
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Oh please. It's not arrogance to say that a subsistence farmer isn't as learned as someone with formal education. That doesn't mean farming doesn't take any skill, but they also probably wouldn't be able to engineer an airplane or nuclear reactor. Would you know as much today if you never went to school, the internet didn't exist, and had limited access to books at best? Education was a luxury that few were afforded for most of our existence.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 4:05:19 PM EDT
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They didn't have IQ testing 200 years ago, let alone 2,000.

But IQ tests are an unreliable metric of intelligence.  IQ tests don't test survival or the ability to invent anything.  They mostly test a person's ability to solve predictable and practicable games/puzzles or their knowledge and use of their native language.  They would be useless outside of testing within a specifically defined cultural window.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 4:07:22 PM EDT
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Oh please. It's not arrogance to say that a subsistence farmer isn't as learned as someone with formal education. That doesn't mean farming doesn't take any skill, but they also probably wouldn't be able to engineer an airplane or nuclear reactor. Would you know as much today if you never went to school, the internet didn't exist, and had limited access to books at best? Education was a luxury that few were afforded for most of our existence.
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The arrogance is strong with this one. Almost like I'm reading the words of Michael Bloomberg.
Oh please. It's not arrogance to say that a subsistence farmer isn't as learned as someone with formal education. That doesn't mean farming doesn't take any skill, but they also probably wouldn't be able to engineer an airplane or nuclear reactor. Would you know as much today if you never went to school, the internet didn't exist, and had limited access to books at best? Education was a luxury that few were afforded for most of our existence.
Education does not equal intelligence.  An intelligence test that measures education is going to be biased towards the specific education.

So modern people would probably flunk an "IQ test" of 1500 European agrarian society, and vice versa.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 4:14:42 PM EDT
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Education does not equal intelligence.  An intelligence test that measures education is going to be biased towards the specific education.

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Education helps develop it.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 5:29:49 PM EDT
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Education helps develop it.
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Education does not equal intelligence.  An intelligence test that measures education is going to be biased towards the specific education.

So modern people would probably flunk an "IQ test" of 1500 European agrarian society, and vice versa.
Education helps develop it.
True.  Intelligence is a complex thing.  Aptitude plays a huge role as does raw computational power, and motivation.  Certainly education does.  It may be one of the biggest aspects of it, but education has to be applied somehow.

Think of formal education as the memory of observations passed along rather than the "education" of personal experience.  Without context, curiosity, and cunning, education may lie dusty on the shelf of the mind accomplishing nothing for the educated.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 8:47:26 PM EDT
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Just stop, you idiots.?? If you all want to be Amish or live in a cave, feel free. Guarantee 100% of you won't do it. Our ancestors spent their entire lives attempting to make things easier for us. We don't need to start fires with flint, or build pyramids out of solid stone anymore.
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