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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:15:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take a look at the language of your arguments with one subtle change, who's that sound like? 
a) You have no Constitutional right to use drugs b) For the second time, drug laws aren't about stopping anything, they are there to keep the filthy, disgusting users of drugs OUT OF SIGHT of the rest of society, because no one wants to deal with a sleeping junkie, methed out spaztard, or LSD tripping hippie while taking their kids to Baskin Robbins. They're like vagrancy laws. They are a tool for keeping an unwanted group of filthy hoodlums off the street. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:17:35 PM EDT
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Take a look at the language of your arguments with one subtle change, who's that sound like? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: All you are concerned about is the penalty of law. That's it. You and your kind want to be able to buy , sell, use You think you're smart but overlook all the pain these Answer the question. Do you think that making blah blah blah ..... money spent. How much is spent on medical care for these users? How much is spent in child care/welfare of children the parents abandon , abuse and don't support ? How much does it cost society in crime? How much does it costs in insurance claims for accidents and theft? Your logic sucks. You think decriminalization will curb usage? LOL! Really , you seem to suggest people use drugs to be rebels. If you think legalization will do ANYTHING to help the problems associated with ETA : AND, people bitch about " the war on drugs " and what it costs and how ineffective it is. Tell ya what. If the liberals would get on board and REALLY have a war on But, your pals don't want to build a wall, don't want to enforce our borders. They want no borders , no ICE. You actually are a useful idiot..... big time. You support those who's true mission is to bring the US to it's knees and as long as there are no penalties for your precious A fucked up society dependent on |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:23:54 PM EDT
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part of the problem is the shit meth they make nowadays. back in the day, it took a lab and someone that kinda knew what they were doing to break down compounds and recombine them to make the good stuff. now they just throw some crap in a pepsi bottle, shake it up, and voila!, sorta meth. that how you get the zombies, rather than the proper tweakers of my day. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:32:09 PM EDT
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We have already semi decriminalized meth for people with money or good insurance. Its called Adderall. Amphetamine and dextroamphetamine salts combined in a single pill. Bought in bulk, they are $3 to $5 each on the street. Go to almost any office or college dorm. A decent percentage of the people will have a script for Adderall. When the insurance runs out, gets canceled in association with job loss, or the people no longer qualify for their parents' insurance, many move on to crystal meth. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:33:58 PM EDT
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LOL! There is no war on drugs. Just a show for the masses. Your not pissed about the non existent war. Your pissed about potential penalties that are in place. ETA: oh and the children ? You mean like the baby that got eaten alive by maggots while wearing a shitty diaper for 9 days, got a blood infection and died a horrible death? You mean children like that? Something similar happened in my home town not long ago with a bunch of other shit. These the children you talking about? Mr. Edgy? Meh, who cares right? just take the penalties off muh drugs!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And who raises the dopeheads kids??? In MANY cases it's the grandparents. If you ask 10 random people if they know of someone who's raising grandkids because the youngster's parent/ parents are dope addicts I'd wager a case of good beer that AT LEAST 60% will answer in the affirmative My wife (66 years old ) and myself (73 years old ) are raising our 4 year old granddaughter for that precise reason.......and I suspect there are many,many thousands of folks like us who will do whatever it takes to keep an innocent baby out of foster homes and adoption rackets. Waiting for the freedom/victimless crime/legalization crowd to show up. These single swinging dicks can't look past their noses to see how these drugs don't just effect the user but a long chain of people..... for just about every user. The children... 
Why, we should declare war on this problem! That's it; we could have a WAR on drugs. That'd show 'em!!  ETA: oh and the children ? You mean like the baby that got eaten alive by maggots while wearing a shitty diaper for 9 days, got a blood infection and died a horrible death? You mean children like that? Something similar happened in my home town not long ago with a bunch of other shit. These the children you talking about? Mr. Edgy? Meh, who cares right? just take the penalties off muh drugs!!!! Yeah, that about covers the usual tired song & dance. And those are exactly the children I'm talking about. Maybe you can explain to me how not being able to buy effective cold medicine is gonna stop a couple of lowlife shitbirds from being lowlife shitbirds. 
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:36:34 PM EDT
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Worst fucking drug ever. Very few are able to escape it. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:37:57 PM EDT
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There is no great up side to meth, but I still maintain having it illegal is a significant part of the problem.
People get introduced before the age of 21, and that makes them much more likely to abuse and not be able to stop. While it legalized, it should have serious warning and precautions, i honestly belief the problem would be much less than it is now. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:38:34 PM EDT
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Oh, we've reached the time of the thread where the libertarians argue that if you oppose gun control you must oppose drug laws, who could have seen that coming?!
a) You have no Constitutional right to use drugs b) For the second time, drug laws aren't about stopping anything, they are there to keep the filthy, disgusting users of drugs OUT OF SIGHT of the rest of society, because no one wants to deal with a sleeping junkie, methed out spaztard, or LSD tripping hippie while taking their kids to Baskin Robbins. They're like vagrancy laws. They are a tool for keeping an unwanted group of filthy hoodlums off the street. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Take a look at the language of your arguments with one subtle change, who's that sound like?
a) You have no Constitutional right to use drugs b) For the second time, drug laws aren't about stopping anything, they are there to keep the filthy, disgusting users of drugs OUT OF SIGHT of the rest of society, because no one wants to deal with a sleeping junkie, methed out spaztard, or LSD tripping hippie while taking their kids to Baskin Robbins. They're like vagrancy laws. They are a tool for keeping an unwanted group of filthy hoodlums off the street. For a fraction of what we spend trying to get drugs off the streets we could just contract pharmaceutical companies to produce drugs and hospitalize/imprison/warehouse addicts so good conservatives don't have to step over the failures in life laying in the gutter. I'd rather the fuckups have access to free drugs than resort to crime to feed their habit and support the black market. Take a look across the southern border, the level of violence is a direct result of pushing meth production out of the country. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:40:00 PM EDT
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There is no great up side to meth, but I still maintain having it illegal is a significant part of the problem. People get introduced before the age of 21, and that makes them much more likely to abuse and not be able to stop. While it legalized, it should have serious warning and precautions, i honestly belief the problem would be much less than it is now. 
Everyone knows that cigarettes CAUSE CANCER and people still smoke them. You honestly think that if you could go to CVS and buy meth that would reduce the level of addiction to one of the most instantaneously addictive substances known to man? |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:43:34 PM EDT
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"Only dopers don't support the War On Drugs! If it saves just one life!! We haven't gotten rid of drugs because we haven't put enough people in jail." Yeah, that about covers the usual tired song & dance. And those are exactly the children I'm talking about. Maybe you can explain to me how not being able to buy effective cold medicine is gonna stop a couple of lowlife shitbirds from being lowlife shitbirds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And who raises the dopeheads kids??? In MANY cases it's the grandparents. If you ask 10 random people if they know of someone who's raising grandkids because the youngster's parent/ parents are dope addicts I'd wager a case of good beer that AT LEAST 60% will answer in the affirmative My wife (66 years old ) and myself (73 years old ) are raising our 4 year old granddaughter for that precise reason.......and I suspect there are many,many thousands of folks like us who will do whatever it takes to keep an innocent baby out of foster homes and adoption rackets. Waiting for the freedom/victimless crime/legalization crowd to show up. These single swinging dicks can't look past their noses to see how these drugs don't just effect the user but a long chain of people..... for just about every user. The children...
Why, we should declare war on this problem! That's it; we could have a WAR on drugs. That'd show 'em!! ETA: oh and the children ? You mean like the baby that got eaten alive by maggots while wearing a shitty diaper for 9 days, got a blood infection and died a horrible death? You mean children like that? Something similar happened in my home town not long ago with a bunch of other shit. These the children you talking about? Mr. Edgy? Meh, who cares right? just take the penalties off muh drugs!!!! Yeah, that about covers the usual tired song & dance. And those are exactly the children I'm talking about. Maybe you can explain to me how not being able to buy effective cold medicine is gonna stop a couple of lowlife shitbirds from being lowlife shitbirds. Not so edgy about the children now are we? Hope you can survive without your effective cold medicine. Something has to be done to keep the illusion of the war on drugs going. Somewhere somebody is saying " dance puppets dance". |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:43:44 PM EDT
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LOL! Such a tired stupid ill conceived argument. I mean really. If you can't see the difference between the two, I can't help you. Apples and Oranges in American Society. Honestly , such arguments really show the mental powers of those that make them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: All you are concerned about is the penalty of law. That's it. You and your kind want to be able to buy , sell, use You think you're smart but overlook all the pain these Answer the question. Do you think that making blah blah blah ..... money spent. How much is spent on medical care for these users? How much is spent in child care/welfare of children the parents abandon , abuse and don't support ? How much does it cost society in crime? How much does it costs in insurance claims for accidents and theft? Your logic sucks. You think decriminalization will curb usage? LOL! Really , you seem to suggest people use drugs to be rebels. If you think legalization will do ANYTHING to help the problems associated with ETA : AND, people bitch about " the war on drugs " and what it costs and how ineffective it is. Tell ya what. If the liberals would get on board and REALLY have a war on But, your pals don't want to build a wall, don't want to enforce our borders. They want no borders , no ICE. You actually are a useful idiot..... big time. You support those who's true mission is to bring the US to it's knees and as long as there are no penalties for your precious A fucked up society dependent on Oh yea, it's jut not illegal enough. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:46:25 PM EDT
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And to date those tools have accomplished fuck all. For a fraction of what we spend trying to get drugs off the streets we could just contract pharmaceutical companies to produce drugs and hospitalize/imprison/warehouse addicts so good conservatives don't have to step over the failures in life laying in the gutter. I'd rather the fuckups have access to free drugs than resort to crime to feed their habit and support the black market. Take a look across the southern border, the level of violence is a direct result of pushing meth production out of the country. I used to work in law enforcement covering one of the nicest, safest counties in California, with multiple cities in national top 50 safest/nicest places to live lists, and yet our jurisdiction bordered some incredible shitholes rife with gang violence, dope sales, and other social ills. What was the magical formula for our area magically not being a shithole? Exactly 2 things: 1) Aggressive enforcement of CA Health and Safety Code 11550 - Being under the influence of a controlled substance. Meth head spazzing down the road? Jail. Junkie sleeping at a bus stop? Jail. Hippie tripping on LSD in the bar district? Jail. Recent crack pipe burns on the crackhead prowling a neighborhood? Jail. Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Keep sending them to jail every time they are caught in public under the influence. Guess what? PROPERTY AND VIOLENT CRIME GOES DOWN BECAUSE DRUG USERS ARE FUCKING CRIMINALS 
2) No fucking needle exchanges, methadone clinics, safe injection sites, or other liberal utopian ideas. But you know what, places like LA, San Fran, and Seattle that have effectively legalized drugs are DOING IT RIGHT! |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:46:25 PM EDT
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Everyone knows that cigarettes CAUSE CANCER and people still smoke them. You honestly think that if you could go to CVS and buy meth that would reduce the level of addiction to one of the most instantaneously addictive substances known to man? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is no great up side to meth, but I still maintain having it illegal is a significant part of the problem. People get introduced before the age of 21, and that makes them much more likely to abuse and not be able to stop. While it legalized, it should have serious warning and precautions, i honestly belief the problem would be much less than it is now.
Everyone knows that cigarettes CAUSE CANCER and people still smoke them. You honestly think that if you could go to CVS and buy meth that would reduce the level of addiction to one of the most instantaneously addictive substances known to man? Children, having unlimited and unregulated access (which is what we have now), it a sure fire way to get the most people addicted with no hope. oh yeah, how is the level of smoking going these days? |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:49:58 PM EDT
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Your reading comprehension apparently sucks. LOL! AND, who are you quoting ? Not me. I haven't said that. Not so edgy about the children now are we? Hope you can survive without your effective cold medicine. Something has to be done to keep the illusion of the war on drugs going. Somewhere somebody is saying " dance puppets dance". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And who raises the dopeheads kids??? In MANY cases it's the grandparents. If you ask 10 random people if they know of someone who's raising grandkids because the youngster's parent/ parents are dope addicts I'd wager a case of good beer that AT LEAST 60% will answer in the affirmative My wife (66 years old ) and myself (73 years old ) are raising our 4 year old granddaughter for that precise reason.......and I suspect there are many,many thousands of folks like us who will do whatever it takes to keep an innocent baby out of foster homes and adoption rackets. Waiting for the freedom/victimless crime/legalization crowd to show up. These single swinging dicks can't look past their noses to see how these drugs don't just effect the user but a long chain of people..... for just about every user. The children...
Why, we should declare war on this problem! That's it; we could have a WAR on drugs. That'd show 'em!! ETA: oh and the children ? You mean like the baby that got eaten alive by maggots while wearing a shitty diaper for 9 days, got a blood infection and died a horrible death? You mean children like that? Something similar happened in my home town not long ago with a bunch of other shit. These the children you talking about? Mr. Edgy? Meh, who cares right? just take the penalties off muh drugs!!!! Yeah, that about covers the usual tired song & dance. And those are exactly the children I'm talking about. Maybe you can explain to me how not being able to buy effective cold medicine is gonna stop a couple of lowlife shitbirds from being lowlife shitbirds. Not so edgy about the children now are we? Hope you can survive without your effective cold medicine. Something has to be done to keep the illusion of the war on drugs going. Somewhere somebody is saying " dance puppets dance". If you don't currently use drugs, maybe you should consider trying them. 
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:55:23 PM EDT
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And to date those tools have accomplished fuck all. For a fraction of what we spend trying to get drugs off the streets we could just contract pharmaceutical companies to produce drugs and hospitalize/imprison/warehouse addicts so good conservatives don't have to step over the failures in life laying in the gutter. I'd rather the fuckups have access to free drugs than resort to crime to feed their habit and support the black market. Take a look across the southern border, the level of violence is a direct result of pushing meth production out of the country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Take a look at the language of your arguments with one subtle change, who's that sound like?
a) You have no Constitutional right to use drugs b) For the second time, drug laws aren't about stopping anything, they are there to keep the filthy, disgusting users of drugs OUT OF SIGHT of the rest of society, because no one wants to deal with a sleeping junkie, methed out spaztard, or LSD tripping hippie while taking their kids to Baskin Robbins. They're like vagrancy laws. They are a tool for keeping an unwanted group of filthy hoodlums off the street. For a fraction of what we spend trying to get drugs off the streets we could just contract pharmaceutical companies to produce drugs and hospitalize/imprison/warehouse addicts so good conservatives don't have to step over the failures in life laying in the gutter. I'd rather the fuckups have access to free drugs than resort to crime to feed their habit and support the black market. Take a look across the southern border, the level of violence is a direct result of pushing meth production out of the country. Do you have any financial projections on this or are you just winging it here. I mean, I don't have a clue myself I'll just say it's " a lot". |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:55:54 PM EDT
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Yep, you regulate the access, and you will reduce the incidence. Children, having unlimited and unregulated access (which is what we have now), it a sure fire way to get the most people addicted with no hope. oh yeah, how is the level of smoking going these days? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is no great up side to meth, but I still maintain having it illegal is a significant part of the problem. People get introduced before the age of 21, and that makes them much more likely to abuse and not be able to stop. While it legalized, it should have serious warning and precautions, i honestly belief the problem would be much less than it is now.
Everyone knows that cigarettes CAUSE CANCER and people still smoke them. You honestly think that if you could go to CVS and buy meth that would reduce the level of addiction to one of the most instantaneously addictive substances known to man? Children, having unlimited and unregulated access (which is what we have now), it a sure fire way to get the most people addicted with no hope. oh yeah, how is the level of smoking going these days? 
It's a mentality of subjects and the mentally weak who are terrified they might be the one snorting the meth if they were given the chance. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:02:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a mentality of subjects and the mentally weak who are terrified they might be the one snorting the meth if they were given the chance. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:03:15 PM EDT
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False. They accomplish fuck all when liberals and libertarians reduce enforcement and start safe injection zones and methadone clinics and needle exchanges. I used to work in law enforcement covering one of the nicest, safest counties in California, with multiple cities in national top 50 safest/nicest places to live lists, and yet our jurisdiction bordered some incredible shitholes rife with gang violence, dope sales, and other social ills. What was the magical formula for our area magically not being a shithole? Exactly 2 things: 1) Aggressive enforcement of CA Health and Safety Code 11550 - Being under the influence of a controlled substance. Meth head spazzing down the road? Jail. Junkie sleeping at a bus stop? Jail. Hippie tripping on LSD in the bar district? Jail. Recent crack pipe burns on the crackhead prowling a neighborhood? Jail. Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Keep sending them to jail every time they are caught in public under the influence. Guess what? PROPERTY AND VIOLENT CRIME GOES DOWN BECAUSE DRUG USERS ARE FUCKING CRIMINALS
2) No fucking needle exchanges, methadone clinics, safe injection sites, or other liberal utopian ideas. But you know what, places like LA, San Fran, and Seattle that have effectively legalized drugs are DOING IT RIGHT! Effective drug enforcement hasn't made meth go away, sure we don't have meth labs blowing up in the desert like we used to, now we have narco violence across the border. People are going to fuck themselves up whether it's legal or not. Make it legal, some will handle it fin, or handle it for a while. It's cheaper across the board to warehouse them and feed them cheap drugs until their head explodes, than to just push them to the fringes of society until the crimes they commit to feed their habit blow up like a frog on a hotplate. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:11:37 PM EDT
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I'm sure it worked great for the location, but putting those degenerates in jail only cleans up the neighborhood, they can't be kept in jail forever, that's financially unsustainable. It just pushed the problem to somewhere else. Effective drug enforcement hasn't made meth go away, sure we don't have meth labs blowing up in the desert like we used to, now we have narco violence across the border. People are going to fuck themselves up whether it's legal or not. Make it legal, some will handle it fin, or handle it for a while. It's cheaper across the board to warehouse them and feed them cheap drugs until their head explodes, than to just push them to the fringes of society until the crimes they commit to feed their habit blow up like a frog on a hotplate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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False. They accomplish fuck all when liberals and libertarians reduce enforcement and start safe injection zones and methadone clinics and needle exchanges. I used to work in law enforcement covering one of the nicest, safest counties in California, with multiple cities in national top 50 safest/nicest places to live lists, and yet our jurisdiction bordered some incredible shitholes rife with gang violence, dope sales, and other social ills. What was the magical formula for our area magically not being a shithole? Exactly 2 things: 1) Aggressive enforcement of CA Health and Safety Code 11550 - Being under the influence of a controlled substance. Meth head spazzing down the road? Jail. Junkie sleeping at a bus stop? Jail. Hippie tripping on LSD in the bar district? Jail. Recent crack pipe burns on the crackhead prowling a neighborhood? Jail. Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Keep sending them to jail every time they are caught in public under the influence. Guess what? PROPERTY AND VIOLENT CRIME GOES DOWN BECAUSE DRUG USERS ARE FUCKING CRIMINALS
2) No fucking needle exchanges, methadone clinics, safe injection sites, or other liberal utopian ideas. But you know what, places like LA, San Fran, and Seattle that have effectively legalized drugs are DOING IT RIGHT! Effective drug enforcement hasn't made meth go away, sure we don't have meth labs blowing up in the desert like we used to, now we have narco violence across the border. People are going to fuck themselves up whether it's legal or not. Make it legal, some will handle it fin, or handle it for a while. It's cheaper across the board to warehouse them and feed them cheap drugs until their head explodes, than to just push them to the fringes of society until the crimes they commit to feed their habit blow up like a frog on a hotplate. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:11:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure it worked great for the location, but putting those degenerates in jail only cleans up the neighborhood, they can't be kept in jail forever, that's financially unsustainable. It just pushed the problem to somewhere else. People are going to fuck themselves up whether it's legal or not. Make it legal, some will handle it fin, or handle it for a while. It's cheaper across the board to warehouse them and feed them cheap drugs until their head explodes, than to just push them to the fringes of society until the crimes they commit to feed their habit blow up like a frog on a hotplate. It's actually not financially unsustainable at the local county jail level, the Sheriff is required to maintain the operation of the jail under state law, so the bulk of the expense in housing them is already bought and paid for and will never go away. Jail farms supply lots of food and inmates are allowed to work to reduce sentence time and assist in upkeep. The only real money drain is medical, but jail medical sucks anyway and is a contract company at flat rate. So we're on the same page then. I don't give a flying shit what we call the "warehouse", it can be jail, an insane asylum, shit we can call it CandyLand as long as the tweakers are locked up far away from me and my shit that I don't want stolen. If by "warehouse" you mean "Let them run around bothering productive people while giving them unlimited access to as much meth as they want", I could not disagree more. "Community Substance Abuse/Mental Health Housing" is an absolute failure. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:14:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think you have a very realistic view of how these people would have to be warehoused in the US. I'm pretty sure the standards of care set would be pretty high..... probably about $100,000 / year each or more including their drugs and almost constant health care needs. And we all know for a fact you could convince liberals to legalize drugs, but you will NEVER get American liberals to give up "compassionate tax funded healthcare." Never in a million years. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:17:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think you have clue one as to what you are talking about. I don't think you have any idea what the costs of let's see....... providing users drugs made by pharmaceutical companies , hospitalizing them, imprison them, warehouse them etc. do you have any clue at all what that would cost ? For thousands and thousands of addicts ? Do you have any financial projections on this or are you just winging it here. I mean, I don't have a clue myself I'll just say it's " a lot". And nowhere do I or would I suggest that addicts be warehoused in first rate hospitals. Honestly I'd be fine with a return to the opium dens of the past where addicts disappeared to, to waste away. It sounds horrible, but the toll on society is far less than it is with junkies stealing for a fix. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:18:54 PM EDT
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The dope legalization crowd always glosses over the fact that long term drug users have persistent and expensive healthcare needs, and the taxpayers foot the bill. They say "Oh yeah just make the drugs legal it will be cheaper" and have no plan for addressing the monstrous medical care waste these people present at taxpayer expense. And we all know for a fact you could convince liberals to legalize drugs, but you will NEVER get American liberals to give up "compassionate tax funded healthcare." Never in a million years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I don't think you have a very realistic view of how these people would have to be warehoused in the US. I'm pretty sure the standards of care set would be pretty high..... probably about $100,000 / year each or more including their drugs and almost constant health care needs. And we all know for a fact you could convince liberals to legalize drugs, but you will NEVER get American liberals to give up "compassionate tax funded healthcare." Never in a million years. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:22:10 PM EDT
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It's actually not financially unsustainable at the local county jail level, the Sheriff is required to maintain the operation of the jail under state law, so the bulk of the expense in housing them is already bought and paid for and will never go away. Jail farms supply lots of food and inmates are allowed to work to reduce sentence time and assist in upkeep. The only real money drain is medical, but jail medical sucks anyway and is a contract company at flat rate. So we're on the same page then. I don't give a flying shit what we call the "warehouse", it can be jail, an insane asylum, shit we can call it CandyLand as long as the tweakers are locked up far away from me and my shit that I don't want stolen. If by "warehouse" you mean "Let them run around bothering productive people while giving them unlimited access to as much meth as they want", I could not disagree more. "Community Substance Abuse/Mental Health Housing" is an absolute failure. Addict allowed to binge on drugs aren't addicts for long. At least not long for this world. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:23:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Medical care for thousands of long term meth users would be astronomical. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:24:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Medical care for thousands of long term meth users would be astronomical. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:27:28 PM EDT
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So $6,000 buys a kg of chinese fentanyl, that's 120,000,000 doses and at 50 mcg/h which is a typical patch dose, this works out to $.0012/day to keep an addict drugged. So yes for less than pennies a day the fix can be met. And nowhere do I or would I suggest that addicts be warehoused in first rate hospitals. Honestly I'd be fine with a return to the opium dens of the past where addicts disappeared to, to waste away. It sounds horrible, but the toll on society is far less than it is with junkies stealing for a fix. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I don't think you have clue one as to what you are talking about. I don't think you have any idea what the costs of let's see....... providing users drugs made by pharmaceutical companies , hospitalizing them, imprison them, warehouse them etc. do you have any clue at all what that would cost ? For thousands and thousands of addicts ? Do you have any financial projections on this or are you just winging it here. I mean, I don't have a clue myself I'll just say it's " a lot". And nowhere do I or would I suggest that addicts be warehoused in first rate hospitals. Honestly I'd be fine with a return to the opium dens of the past where addicts disappeared to, to waste away. It sounds horrible, but the toll on society is far less than it is with junkies stealing for a fix. Oh it would be a cluster fuck of epic proportions and costs to the taxpayer. After all, if you were to FORCE them into the program it would be on. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:28:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:32:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, that's just you man. You would have your fellow libs with their lawyers lining up to sue the fuck out of you the minute one of the precious dope fiends didn't get their hair cut , the right shoes , the food they want, the entertainment they deserve , the use of a gym, computer, the amount of drugs they want , proper health , dental, eye care, vegan meals , etc. etc. Oh it would be a cluster fuck of epic proportions and costs to the taxpayer. After all, if you were to FORCE them into the program it would be on.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While "shake and bake" does happen, it's not the main source of the problem. A lot of meth these days is high grade and manufactured in Mexico. i did learn several ways to make meth, how to boobytrap a camper to keep the meth thieves out, what the best time of night to shoot deer was, etc. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:35:58 PM EDT
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Yeah, that's just you man. You would have your fellow libs with their lawyers lining up to sue the fuck out of you the minute one of the precious dope fiends didn't get their hair cut , the right shoes , the food they want, the entertainment they deserve , the use of a gym, computer, the amount of drugs they want , proper health , dental, eye care, vegan meals , etc. etc. Oh it would be a cluster fuck of epic proportions and costs to the taxpayer. After all, if you were to FORCE them into the program it would be on. I just realize that is a pipedream and not going to fucking happen, and you won't ever get the whole package reset through law changes, you will just get legalized drugs thrust into our current welfare based, tax funded, over litigated nanny state which is a recipe for total disaster and financial ruin. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:36:03 PM EDT
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That's an epic canard. Can't do something that will have the problem burn itself out with the least impact to society, because there might be lawsuits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:38:56 PM EDT
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No in the real world in real life there WOULD be lawsuits . Not might be. Would be. For sure. I mean, there is Ivory Tower intellectual bull shit ( think Obama ) and then there is real world life that actually happens ( think Trump ). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:39:56 PM EDT
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Let Darwin win sometimes and the problem will dissipate.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:42:36 PM EDT
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Let Darwin win sometimes and the problem will dissipate.
You can get it for free at needle exchanges and they want the police to carry it around for overdose "victims." Hoe about we equip emergency services with useful things like Epi-pens for people with actual medical problems they didn't bring on themselves? |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:43:28 PM EDT
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Law suits against whom? The "meth" companies? Seems like that would be a self-solving problem from your perspective. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:48:42 PM EDT
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Santa and Rudolph Duh! If you can't follow the conversation best not to try. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:50:01 PM EDT
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If there's one drug that should be very regulated and hard as fuck to get it's Narcan
You can get it for free at needle exchanges and they want the police to carry it around for overdose "victims." Hoe about we equip emergency services with useful things like Epi-pens for people with actual medical problems they didn't bring on themselves? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let Darwin win sometimes and the problem will dissipate.
You can get it for free at needle exchanges and they want the police to carry it around for overdose "victims." Hoe about we equip emergency services with useful things like Epi-pens for people with actual medical problems they didn't bring on themselves? |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:51:47 PM EDT
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"If drugs are legalized, you as a private citizen will be sued because a drug user didn't get a haircut." I read it, but I hoped I was misunderstanding since it was literally too stupid to merit a response. Yet you decided to run with the "OMG LAWSUITS!!" canard. I'm starting to think we need to re-legalize drugs simply to chlorinate the gene pool a bit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:53:22 PM EDT
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Back? I don’t think motherfuckers ever quit
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:53:59 PM EDT
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The medical care for just one of them is fucking insane. Get one tweaker out and about experiencing excited delirium status and you have paramedics administering thousands of dollars worth of tranquilizers in the field, then scooping him to the ER for intensive lifesaving intervention which may or may not work, then follow up care. Probably an easy 6 figures assuming methspazz survives the excited delirium. God forbid he dies from hyperthermia and exertion anyway, which is very likely, because paramedics don't wrestle him into restraints, they used the poleeece for that and it is now a death in custody on their end which will probably settle for a cool million or more to the extended family of methspazz. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Medical care for thousands of long term meth users would be astronomical. How can you all not comprehend this 
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:56:33 PM EDT
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“(Being NBC, they don't mention the fact that lots of meth users rob and steal to pay for their habit instead of having 9:00 to 5:00 jobs.)”
A Mother of all Plagues in Pasco County Florida. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 1:56:53 PM EDT
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I'm at work in a small ER in the mid west.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:02:32 PM EDT
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Oh, it isn't just him, I'd absolutely love a 100% return to the general values and societal norms of the late 1800s, where we could hang criminals within a couple weeks of the crime, leave drunks and addicts totally to their own devices, welfare was unheard of, and medical care being a cash based local business. I just realize that is a pipedream and not going to fucking happen, and you won't ever get the whole package reset through law changes, you will just get legalized drugs thrust into our current welfare based, tax funded, over litigated nanny state which is a recipe for total disaster and financial ruin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, that's just you man. You would have your fellow libs with their lawyers lining up to sue the fuck out of you the minute one of the precious dope fiends didn't get their hair cut , the right shoes , the food they want, the entertainment they deserve , the use of a gym, computer, the amount of drugs they want , proper health , dental, eye care, vegan meals , etc. etc. Oh it would be a cluster fuck of epic proportions and costs to the taxpayer. After all, if you were to FORCE them into the program it would be on. I just realize that is a pipedream and not going to fucking happen, and you won't ever get the whole package reset through law changes, you will just get legalized drugs thrust into our current welfare based, tax funded, over litigated nanny state which is a recipe for total disaster and financial ruin. You acknowledge that intoxicatant prohibition is a pillar of leftist, "progressive" ideology along with: -punitive taxation -welfare -gun control -universal suffrage without regard to productivity or competence ...yet you're willing to accept it anyway because you seem to figure if you can't get rid of the whole mess then you might as well jam it down your own throat as far as you can. This is exactly analogous to some blue state gender-ambiguous shitass proclaiming that "Since the government subsidies your healthcare, you don't have the right to guns, or red meat, or fast cars." 
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:05:29 PM EDT
[#45]
Did I make it before someone says "Portugal"?
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:06:44 PM EDT
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Back? I don’t think motherfuckers ever quit People are just getting tired of hearing about MA OPIOIDS CRISIS!!  so another "public health emergency" is being cooked up in the governmental kitchen to try to convince the suckers to kept throwing their money & freedom between lowlifes and their shitty decisions.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:08:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...aaaaaand you're paying it anyway, right now, after a trillion dollar, 50 year War On Drugs. How can you all not comprehend this There is simply no realistic scenario where drugs are legalized without a corresponding expansion of the welfare nanny state. There is also no realistic scenario where legalizing drugs lowers the crime rate and makes the Mexican cartel boogeyman disappear. If you magically legalized drugs everywhere tommorrow do you think all the drug cartels will just say "Damn, time to go back to growing agave and dirt farming for mere pesos"? No, they will adapt and enter/fully commit themselves to other profitable criminal activities like identity theft, robbery, extortion, kidnapping, human trafficking, and fraud. They would also continue in the drug business using criminal action to undercut retail prices, like they are currently doing anyway, they haven't stopped shipping Mexican weed to WA and CO. You see the "War on Drugs" as some monolithic effort with a clear goal. I see a bunch of different federal, state, and local laws and law enforcement efforts, some of which are failures and need to be changed and others of which are very useful. I think making it illegal to tweak out in public is a very useful law and it makes for a livable city. You obviously disagree. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:10:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...yet you're willing to accept it anyway because you seem to figure if you can't get rid of the whole mess then you might as well jam it down your own throat as far as you can. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:15:26 PM EDT
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Legalizing drugs without first taking steps to deny drug users public assisted healthcare is financial suicide. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:19:23 PM EDT
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If you have a legitimate medical need for Adderall, it is truly life changing. I started having short term memory loss and confusion that I was afraid was beginning Alzheimer’s. Turned out it was undiagnosed ADD/ADHD. I know, I thought it was BS too until twenty minutes after I took the first pill. The dosage I need is relatively low and the dry mouth and dry eyes as a side effect keep me from wanting a higher dose, but if I would have had Adderall in college I’d be a brain surgeon now. The secondary point is that when that college student - be it your child, my child, or the neighbor's child - buys some adderall off some guy in the dorm as a study aid, they are buying speed. Amphetamine salts. A substance not significantly different from meth. The same basic shit that was erroneously thought to be relatively innocuous during the speed epidemic of the 1950's and 1960's. |
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