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Posted: 6/26/2023 5:18:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorta. Some people went into a lot of debt for a bullshit degree and can't find a job. There are also other people who went into debt for a poorly paying job like CNA or LPN. Not sure about your area, but the CNAs and LPNs weren't getting any of the COVID pay the RNs and higher were getting during the pandemic. You wouldn't see one post from me about "muh socialism" if student loans forgiveness happened in fields where the government has imposed a professional education requirement in order to perform that job. I plugged in a few ZIP codes for my area. Real Estate agents made bank during the pandemic. I was unaware the legal system shut down and attorneys no longer had clients, because there are some law firms on there as well. All those PPP loans were forgiven. That is just government money being given to them for no reason. I doubt it cost $16,700 for one attorney and her assistant to get a Zoom account. The restaurant, salon, and other owners of businesses adversely impacted I feel for. I hope they were able to use their loans to keep paying employees. Mine was deemed essential. But essential is subjective for anything other than food and water. So all that was decided by shitbird bureaucrats and politicians. There were countless legit businesses ruined by the whims of fools. All for the virus with over 99% survival rate, you’ll recall. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 5:21:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on various factors. But my rev was down. PPP meant keeping half of the employees employed instead of on unemployment. Revenue didnt recover until last year. Again, didn’t want it and would’ve voted against if I was a Rep, but I’m not. My job is to keep my business running, not run the country. Some of y’all are still incredibly naive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Contractors, manufacturering, landscapers, and coffee shop owners I know all made record revenue during the pandemic. My business in a particular became full time and I quit my 9-5 because I got so busy. It definitely slowed down but gave me the nudge I needed to take the risk and focus on it full time. I'm doing good now and would of been good either way but I'd be lying if I told you covid wasn't a huge boost in jobs. Depends on various factors. But my rev was down. PPP meant keeping half of the employees employed instead of on unemployment. Revenue didnt recover until last year. Again, didn’t want it and would’ve voted against if I was a Rep, but I’m not. My job is to keep my business running, not run the country. Some of y’all are still incredibly naive. I understand I know welfare recipients who will all tell you through no fault of their own they need it to survive. I'm sure for some that's probably true but most of them just game the system. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 5:38:24 PM EST
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PPP helped my wife keep 67 pediatric mid-levels gainfully employed.
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Posted: 6/26/2023 5:42:39 PM EST
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Posted: 6/26/2023 5:53:36 PM EST
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I literally LOL'd.
Can forgive this but not others. Reminds me of "too big to fail". |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 5:56:24 PM EST
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Posted: 6/26/2023 6:43:51 PM EST
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Local churches? Free money. I know of one that was getting 150k for security systems and training. They were going to buy Sims or other type of force on force stuff. Starting to get tired of many churches. Already tax free but get heavily involved in politics, lobbying etc.
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Posted: 6/26/2023 6:53:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Business owner Arf was all about capitalism unless we're talking about PPP loans I learned. Eta I approve of communism as long as my pockets are lined I guess  LOL, obviously you don't own a profitable business that has been being raped by the feds and states until Trump came along and lowered the corporate rate. Lowered our firms rates 14% and raises and bonuses got handed out. Prior to that we were being ass raped with no vaseline. Any chance I get to have the government give me back my hard earned money i will take. Wouldn't you? Now lets talk about the stupidity of the businesses who closed and cops who enforced this crap. Now we're talking about communism. If the people craved freedom, the governments reaction to covid would have not been as stupid as it was. People getting flu shots or losing their jobs. Loved ones dying alone while the medical industry was busy filming tik tok dance videos business shutting their doors because they had no back bone Churches shutting their doors because they didn't understand Jesus conquered death people obeying the mask mandates of dotgov. That was communism 101, and it appears the people spoke during covid and voted in communism. So who was it approving of communism? |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 6:54:23 PM EST
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Self employed…. Never took a penny
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Posted: 6/26/2023 6:55:46 PM EST
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Posted: 6/26/2023 6:58:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll be 100% honest, I was grateful for this. I worked for a contractor when COVID went down and business went down to almost zero. Owner took out PPP loans to keep us on the payroll. Not proud of it, but the government decided to shut everything down so whatever. I think I received normal salary for 4 months or so before I found another regular job The government didn't decide, weak men and women decided to shut up and obey. The government can't force you to do something you don't want to do. Those who got the vax wanted it those who wore masks wanted to. those who closed their business doors wanted to. prove me wrong.  |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:03:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one forced people to own a business in an industry that the government can deem non-essential. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is great for sniffing out hypocrites. $790 billion approved $757 billion forgiven https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/ Love that part of that website, dick holster I worked for at the time took almost 2 million iirc, and layed ever swinging dick off but his immediate family, and lied to everybody about getting the bail out. Then he's on the hook for it. There've been many businesses busted for this fraud. Mmmm. Indeed there have been. For things like not even having a business, never employing people, etc... Absent @cemac's former employer pissing off some politician or media gadfly, that level of malfeasance is (IMHO) likely not going to get caught. Just too many cases to sift through. I'm glad so many of Arf's business owners had reasons why they got to take the money, and that was OK, plus why 90%+ of the recipients don't need to pay it back. Nevermind paying any interest on what were ostensibly loans. Other people have had reasons too for why their receipt of government funds were necessary, and the response here to those reasons were often less than charitable. It's a bad dilemma many people were practically forced into: 1) Businesses shut down at gunpoint over a bad pneumonia year that got publicity/gotta make payroll somehow with no sales; 2) Gotta' go to college to get a good job/no way you're affording that hyperinflated market the same way the prior generations did, without loans; 3) Get medical care or you die---the ultimate inelastic market/inflated medical bills aren't going to pay themselves as an elderly American through savings, and who would insure a 75 year old? And so on. I guess one of the first things offshored were bootstraps. Being in a bad financial situation because of your own actions is one thing. (student loans for gender studies degree) Being forced into a bad financial situation because of a fake pandemic and the government response is a completely different fucking thing. No one forced people to own a business in an industry that the government can deem non-essential. That’s a stupid fucking comment |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:06:11 PM EST
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I should’ve taken out a PPP loan…
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:08:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread we'll see a bunch of blow hards who don't know fuck about shit, ride in on their very tall white horse and tell people who actually drive the economy and produce things how they should bend over and take it from the government as they scrapped the economy, drove up inflation, shredded retirement value. Not surprising. Pathetic... but no surprise. The rest of you can fuck right off....over there...somewhere. 
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:10:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread we'll see a bunch of blow hards who don't know fuck about shit, ride in on their very tall white horse and tell people who actually drive the economy and produce things how they should bend over and take it from the government as they scrapped the economy, drove up inflation, shredded retirement value. Not surprising. Pathetic... but no surprise. Nailed it. I help owners sell their businesses when they retire. Every single business I have sold or evaluated financials for in the last 12 months has had forgiven PPP loans. Every single one of them did what they were supposed to do - they paid their employees with them, and yes, they paid some portion of their own salary, but none of them made a profit off it. FedGov shut down every business that wasn't one of their big backers or wasn't too big to fail. Amazon, Walmart, Target, all those big boys got to stay open because they were "essential". Mom & Pop got in line for a PPP loan for a couple hundred k to pay their five employees during the shutdown so they could all buy groceries. And you weak sauce mfers complain. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:13:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if it all worked perfectly, the net benefit wasn't there. Too many inflated documents and took 100s of thousands that their business never would have earned without covid shutdowns. Then add in the businesses who did take the loans, paid their employees, but had almost zero disruption to their businesses. Where did all that cash go? Why should those loans have been forgiven? They were given free operating capital. The whole thing fucked this country sideways while tons of money was transferred into peoples pockets. I am with others....I am about ready to abandon ethics. Why should I play by a pretend set of rules that 99% don't seem to play by. I've looked at the books for over a dozen businesses since the end of the program. Not one of them engaged in unethical behavior with the funds. All of you are forgetting that every employee who stayed employed paid taxes, and the employers also had to pay their FICA for the money paid to them. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:14:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Love that part of that website, dick holster I worked for at the time took almost 2 million iirc, and layed ever swinging dick off but his immediate family, and lied to everybody about getting the bail out. Report him. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:15:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Always has been..." Now do Medicare, SS, and Defense spending if you work for .mil and .gov. Everyone has their own sacred bit of government spending that absolutely cannot be touched. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Business owner Arf was all about capitalism unless we're talking about PPP loans I learned. Eta I approve of communism as long as my pockets are lined I guess "Always has been..." Now do Medicare, SS, and Defense spending if you work for .mil and .gov. Everyone has their own sacred bit of government spending that absolutely cannot be touched. Everyone huh? Bullshit. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:16:18 PM EST
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MTG $183k
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:28:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've looked at the books for over a dozen businesses since the end of the program. Not one of them engaged in unethical behavior with the funds. All of you are forgetting that every employee who stayed employed paid taxes, and the employers also had to pay their FICA for the money paid to them. Again most business owners I know didn't need it. No one will admit it publicly obviously and I'm certain they met the criteria and did everything above board. You can't be mad at welfare, student loan forgiveness, or anything else like that and vouch for ppp without being a hypocrite is all I'm saying. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:40:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again most business owners I know didn't need it. No one will admit it publicly obviously and I'm certain they met the criteria and did everything above board. You can't be mad at welfare, student loan forgiveness, or anything else like that and vouch for ppp without being a hypocrite is all I'm saying. That’s why I started this thread. If you got PPP, fine, but you shouldn’t have shit to say when students get a little piece of the pie you just ate from. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:46:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: exactly. This is something conservatives need to accept. We have been playing by the rules against people who don't play by rules and then wonder why we lose every time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Institutionalized grift. Some days I feel like a chump for having some ethics. exactly. This is something conservatives need to accept. We have been playing by the rules against people who don't play by rules and then wonder why we lose every time. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:49:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I searched by name for a couple contractors I've worked with/for.. they were very busy with contracted construction work at the time in an industry that was mostly given a pass (we never shut the office down for rice rabies). These guys both had no problem keeping the doors open, yet received millions in "loans" it seems. And its all legit just because they kept their persona/business money in the bank, while they spent the PPP $ to pay their normal payroll/overhead bills with. Beyond messed up. One of them was just saying how he was in the process of buying a jet. The other one owner/developed a new (unoccupied right now) warehouse building, and a new office building. They used the paycheck protection money on paychecks? Those monsters. Paycheck protection money is only meant for Ferrari's. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:51:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Business owner Arf was all about capitalism unless we're talking about PPP loans I learned. Eta I approve of communism as long as my pockets are lined I guess Now now, they took the loans, pay them back. That's how that works - right? |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:54:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They used the paycheck protection money on paychecks? Those monsters. Paycheck protection money is only meant for Ferrari's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I searched by name for a couple contractors I've worked with/for.. they were very busy with contracted construction work at the time in an industry that was mostly given a pass (we never shut the office down for rice rabies). These guys both had no problem keeping the doors open, yet received millions in "loans" it seems. And its all legit just because they kept their persona/business money in the bank, while they spent the PPP $ to pay their normal payroll/overhead bills with. Beyond messed up. One of them was just saying how he was in the process of buying a jet. The other one owner/developed a new (unoccupied right now) warehouse building, and a new office building. They used the paycheck protection money on paychecks? Those monsters. Paycheck protection money is only meant for Ferrari's. It's like slavery but instead of slaves the free labor comes from the printer. They did say the south would rise again. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:55:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why I started this thread. If you got PPP, fine, but you shouldn't have shit to say when students get a little piece of the pie you just ate from. Yep. If you took the money and didn't pay it back; then I don't want to hear one utterance about paying off college kids loans. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:56:01 PM EST
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:57:23 PM EST
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Quoted: This is great for sniffing out hypocrites. $790 billion approved $757 billion forgiven https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/ |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 7:58:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Local churches? Free money. I know of one that was getting 150k for security systems and training. They were going to buy Sims or other type of force on force stuff. Starting to get tired of many churches. Already tax free but get heavily involved in politics, lobbying etc. PPP had nothing to do with it. Fed grants for schools, churches, and other areas the feds deem appropriate. Outreach programs, food programs, and other community based organizations also received quite a bit. It isn't about politics. The .gov blows money like crazy and the crazy whackos have highlighted the soft targets and the .gov decided to throw some money that way. It isn't easy either. The one grant I just did was 387 pages long. And they aren't "tax free". Don't fall into the liberal hype thinking they don't have tax obligations. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:00:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nailed it. I help owners sell their businesses when they retire. Every single business I have sold or evaluated financials for in the last 12 months has had forgiven PPP loans. Every single one of them did what they were supposed to do - they paid their employees with them, and yes, they paid some portion of their own salary, but none of them made a profit off it. FedGov shut down every business that wasn't one of their big backers or wasn't too big to fail. Amazon, Walmart, Target, all those big boys got to stay open because they were "essential". Mom & Pop got in line for a PPP loan for a couple hundred k to pay their five employees during the shutdown so they could all buy groceries. And you weak sauce mfers complain. My little brother’s buddy owns a chic-fil-a. During Covid, they had to close the dining room and go to drive-thru only. Thing is, they actually operated more efficiently. Sales up, costs down, and he never was close to letting employees go. Still got a couple hundred K in PPP loans that he used to buy 2 new cars and remodel his house. Loans all forgiven of course. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:04:41 PM EST
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In the last three years I have seen more in ground pools installed in my neighborhood than I can count. Every damn house pretty much has a $100k pool now. The amount of money spent on pools when pools were SKY high in price just blows my mind.
It’s all Covid money as most people in my hood are business owners. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:05:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MTG $183k Its tough to sell your influence when the wurld-shuts-down... |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:05:32 PM EST
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I scanned my areas zip codes and there are quire a few that got a LOT of cash that did not need that cash at all.
I hope the DOJ goes after these folks like they have gone after Trump. (Yes, it was sarcasm) |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:05:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My little brother’s buddy owns a chic-fil-a. During Covid, they had to close the dining room and go to drive-thru only. Thing is, they actually operated more efficiently. Sales up, costs down, and he never was close to letting employees go. Still got a couple hundred K in PPP loans that he used to buy 2 new cars and remodel his house. Loans all forgiven of course. I remember that 2 weeks with no traffic and once that ended most drive through places had lines into the streets almost all day. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:06:19 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. If you took the money and didn't pay it back; then I don't want to hear one utterance about paying off college kids loans. Wait.... so he planned on the .gov shutting down his business the same way a college kid enters into an agreement for tuition? And loan repayment is about the .gov overstepping, assuming college debt, and being the banker for the higher ed system. This has allowed the schools to increase tuition with no real check and balance in place since the taxpayers are funding the debt. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:06:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s why I started this thread. If you got PPP, fine, but you shouldn’t have shit to say when students get a little piece of the pie you just ate from. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Again most business owners I know didn't need it. No one will admit it publicly obviously and I'm certain they met the criteria and did everything above board. You can't be mad at welfare, student loan forgiveness, or anything else like that and vouch for ppp without being a hypocrite is all I'm saying. That’s why I started this thread. If you got PPP, fine, but you shouldn’t have shit to say when students get a little piece of the pie you just ate from. Bro, don't forget about all of is with mortgages... ...that did (or almost did) loose our homes back in '08-ish |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:20:12 PM EST
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I’ll vote against it but if the free money is offered I’ll take it. You’d be a fool not to.
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:23:12 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait.... so he planned on the .gov shutting down his business the same way a college kid enters into an agreement for tuition? Did the college kid plan on having a job after graduation? Just because you think the odds of failure are slim, doesn't mean the risk is not there. If the government is going to be your high risk insurance; don't bitch about others using it for the same thing - that is, treating it like your personal piggybank. ETA: Maybe you can go dance naked in front of some kids. Lord knows your ethics are impeccable. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:23:15 PM EST
[#39]
the company that I work for got 3.4 mil +, 100 employees , we were busy as all get out , as being essential ,we never saw 1 cent of that money
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:26:57 PM EST
[#40]
Quoted: This is great for sniffing out hypocrites. $790 billion approved $757 billion forgiven https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/ If my math is right that leaves another 33 billion we can give Ukraine!!!! :-) |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:28:16 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If my math is right that leaves another 33 billion we can give Ukraine!!!! :-)  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:34:57 PM EST
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This will be an unpopular opinion. I don’t have a problem with the PPP in theory.
A small business owner works his ass off, stresses daily about paying vendors and employees, and every time he turns around Uncle Sam or some other government entity is there with their hand out. Then that same government one day tells the small business owner he can’t operate for an undetermined amount of time. Even if he isn’t shut down directly he has customers or vendors that are. Times get lean and he’s not going to be able to keep people employeed, he applies for PPP in an amount that is most likely a fraction of what he and his employees have paid in taxes over the years. Compared to 99% of the other shit our .gov spends our money on, that’s about as legit of a use of funds as I can think of. What I do have a problem with is how they basically made it a free for all cash grab. There is some serious corruption and waste there. I’d bet 75% of it wasn’t actually needed. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:39:32 PM EST
[#43]
I’m curious what prevents 4% from getting forgiven
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:40:42 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious what prevents 4% from getting forgiven They actually paid employees with it. 
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:45:27 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the money was used properly, it went to employees. Instead of going on unemployment, they stayed employed. Sure. My company got almost half a million. I worked every fucking day. WE ALL WORKED EVERY FUCKING DAY. I refused to stay home. WE ALL REFUSED TO STAY HOME. I was harassed, and I mean harassed, by my boss when I came back after 10 days off with covid. Fuck that shit. Next time around, I want fucking paid. My nurse wife, who does colonoscopies, was forced to stay home by the motherfuckers on here that were too afraid to go outside, was deemed "unessential". We wont fall for that bullshit again. Thanks covid doomers. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:48:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the company that I work for got 3.4 mil +, 100 employees , we were busy as all get out , as being essential ,we never saw 1 cent of that money You actually got all that money but your employer had no overhead during that span |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:54:12 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Love that part of that website, dick holster I worked for at the time took almost 2 million iirc, and layed ever swinging dick off but his immediate family, and lied to everybody about getting the bail out. -- topic break, not talking bout the quoted above below -- Also, you guys bitching about this are the same crew bitching about the stimulus checks (that you didn't get, cuz you already make too much) that shit was direct deposited in bank accounts and had no initiating paperwork. Money just showed up. Regardless of the shitty game we are in, the rules are going to push you around and someone not cognizant of that needs to get a fuckin clue. Options are, take the money deal with massive inflation, don't take the money and deal with massive inflation WITHOUT that money. At no time was "don't deal with massive inflation" a card in the deck we have to play with. Get a fuckin clue, grow the fuck up. Same set of fags hate Trump over mean tweets, orange skin and bloviating personality. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 8:58:28 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are strict rules about NOT laying people off in the agreements. You should drop a dime. -- topic break, not talking bout the quoted above below -- Also, you guys bitching about this are the same crew bitching about the stimulus checks (that you didn't get, cuz you already make too much) that shit was direct deposited in bank accounts and had no initiating paperwork. Money just showed up. Regardless of the shitty game we are in, the rules are going to push you around and someone not cognizant of that needs to get a fuckin clue. Options are, take the money deal with massive inflation, don't take the money and deal with massive inflation WITHOUT that money. At no time was "don't deal with massive inflation" a card in the deck we have to play with. Get a fuckin clue, grow the fuck up. Same set of fags hate Trump over mean tweets, orange skin and bloviating personality. I got a stimulus check and like you said it just showed up. I had to pay it back on my taxes the next year. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 9:01:53 PM EST
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I never missed a day of work during the pandemic, and worked with COVID at least twice. I'll consider my $20k a partial refund on the millions that I've paid in taxes....Instead of having 2 years off like the school teachers, we were pulling dead people out of cars and doing CPR in hallways.
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Posted: 6/26/2023 9:06:46 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never missed a day of work during the pandemic, and worked with COVID at least twice. I'll consider my $20k a partial refund on the millions that I've paid in taxes....Instead of having 2 years off like the school teachers, we were pulling dead people out of cars and doing CPR in hallways. 'Yeah man, fuck them people - I got mine' |
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