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Posted: 12/24/2019 10:21:48 PM EDT

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In his first official statement as the head of the Space Force, Gen. Jay Raymond noted that the culture of service is one of the most critical pieces of the DOD’s newest puzzle. To this endeavor, the Space Force will need to incur a fiercely independent identity and draw a clear line in the sand where the Air Force ends and the Space Force begins.
To ensure this happens, the president and Congress must direct the Space Force to adopt the naval officer rank structure immediately. Here is why:
Since the Space Corps will still be a facet of the Department of the Air Force and is born from current Air Force professionals (many of whom had nothing to do with the adoption of a new and separate force), it is possible (maybe even likely) that they will continue business as usual. Mandating naval ranks will spur the development of a new manner of thinking. The culture shock of a completely new rank amongst the service’s highest tenured will have a trickle-down effect, starting the USSF off on the right foot.

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Posted: 12/24/2019 10:24:41 PM EDT

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Navy rank is dumb and you should feel dumb

Posted: 12/24/2019 10:26:59 PM EDT

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As a former jarhead, IDGAF.

Posted: 12/24/2019 10:30:06 PM EDT

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So, basically Klingon Assault Group ranks?

Posted: 12/24/2019 10:30:39 PM EDT

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The only rank that is a must, Second Lieutenant=Space Cadet.

Posted: 12/24/2019 10:32:29 PM EDT

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People have a complete misunderstanding of what the Space Force does if they think this is necessary.

Posted: 12/24/2019 10:37:26 PM EDT

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FPNI; Petition should be for the USN to adopt the other services rank structure.

Posted: 12/24/2019 10:45:26 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/24/2019 10:47:26 PM EDT

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Space Shuttle Door Gunner's Machinist's Mate 2nd Class (Promotable)

Posted: 12/24/2019 10:52:58 PM EDT

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I think I agree.

A true space force will be a large complex ship not a single seat fighter or small crew bomber. A naval structure is much better suited for that environment.

That said I honestly think the Navy should have been the lead on space force not the air force.

Posted: 12/24/2019 10:55:22 PM EDT

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I've always wanted to hear them say, ""Now go to your stations all the special space detail- that is, " Now go to your stations all the special space detail - all hands to quarters for getting underway." on Star Trek.

Posted: 12/24/2019 10:56:48 PM EDT

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I think I agree.

A true space force will be a large complex ship not a single seat fighter or small crew bomber. A naval structure is much better suited for that environment.

That said I honestly think the Navy should have been the lead on space force not the air force.

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What about the rank structure needed for dudes sitting in offices and control centers monitoring satellites and shit? Cause that's what they're actually going to be doing.

Posted: 12/24/2019 10:57:39 PM EDT

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Of all the things I don’t give a fuck about, I don’t give a fuck about this the most.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:00:52 PM EDT

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What about the rank structure needed for dudes sitting in offices and control centers monitoring satellites and shit? Cause that's what they're actually going to be doing.

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No arguement there... For the short to mid term I think you are exactly right. But at some point we will send honest to god ships to the other planets and get off this rock in some fashion. Start the way you intend to end. Naval rank and structure seems to be the logical approach.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:02:44 PM EDT

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No shit. Navy rank structure is some nonsensical shit.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:03:52 PM EDT

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Put the word Space in front of all the ranks. Space Admiral. Spaceyman. Space MasterChef.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:06:44 PM EDT

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Would you rather have a General or an Admiral in charge of your space fleet.

I think the naval rank is appropriate.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:08:51 PM EDT

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But at some point we will send honest to god ships to the other planets and get off this rock in some fashion.

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LOL, you're delusional. If we ever get the technology to do that nailed down (doubtful), we'd use it to destroy ourselves with it first.

Besides, do you think we really need to be exporting the human race to other planets?

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:09:57 PM EDT

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People have a complete misunderstanding of what the Space Force does if they think this is necessary.

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Spaceship door gunners rather than space shuttle door gunners.

It is to the Airforce as the Navy is to the Coast Guard

We are going to need emoticons and badges too.

Who will be the first on Arfcom to have a Space Force badge

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:10:15 PM EDT

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Imperial rank structure makes the most sense

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:10:29 PM EDT

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Navy rank and rank traditions are foolish.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:13:15 PM EDT

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Shut up, Wesley!

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:14:56 PM EDT

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It's not queer if you're out of the atmosphere?

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:15:21 PM EDT

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Yup.

Naval rank/insignia is pants-on-head ‘tarded

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:15:37 PM EDT

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Not trying to have a Filipino space force.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:16:35 PM EDT

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LOL, you're delusional. If we ever get the technology to do that nailed down (doubtful), we'd use it to destroy ourselves with it first.

Besides, do you think we really need to be exporting the human race to other planets?

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If we were going to destroy ourselves we would have all died during the cold war. And yes it's time to export to the other rocks and ensure the survival of the human race. 200 years from now I expect to be proven right. Sadly I won't be around to blow you a raspberry.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:17:27 PM EDT

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This.

Also, there should be a petition to reduce the number of flag officers to 25% of their current numbers, for starters.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:22:36 PM EDT

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I think I agree.

A true space force will be a large complex ship not a single seat fighter or small crew bomber. A naval structure is much better suited for that environment.

That said I honestly think the Navy should have been the lead on space force not the air force.

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Maybe in 500 years there will be a large complex military ship that is crewed by people.

Until then it's unmanned probes and satellites.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:23:05 PM EDT

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Idgaf about rank structure. Just iron out the details, then I'll transfer over to an orbital artillery unit

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:23:22 PM EDT

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Besides, do you think we really need to be exporting the human race to other planets?

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Yes.

For the same general reasons people were arguing for exporting people from Europe to the 'New World', a few centuries ago.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:23:56 PM EDT

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No.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:27:29 PM EDT

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They must use gender neutral ranks, i.e. no airman, seaman ranks. Admiral, captain and commander are also problematic as they evoke the patriarchy.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:28:14 PM EDT

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I think I agree.

A true space force will be a large complex ship not a single seat fighter or small crew bomber. A naval structure is much better suited for that environment.

That said I honestly think the Navy should have been the lead on space force not the air force.

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Navy ranks sound dumb though.

Ensign. Rear ensign. Admiral. Rear Admiral.
Who's pitcher who's catcher?
Petty Officer. Are they fickle?

Space Force needs new ranks. Absolutely ridiculous sounding in nature.
E1-Space Cadet. That's a given. For the LOLs.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:28:41 PM EDT

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Yep the only constitutional standing fighting force is dumb

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:29:09 PM EDT

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If we were going to destroy ourselves we would have all died during the cold war. And yes it's time to export to the other rocks and ensure the survival of the human race. 200 years from now I expect to be proven right. Sadly I won't be around to blow you a raspberry.

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LOL, you're delusional. If we ever get the technology to do that nailed down (doubtful), we'd use it to destroy ourselves with it first.

Besides, do you think we really need to be exporting the human race to other planets?

If we were going to destroy ourselves we would have all died during the cold war. And yes it's time to export to the other rocks and ensure the survival of the human race. 200 years from now I expect to be proven right. Sadly I won't be around to blow you a raspberry.

The human race does NOT need to export itself. All I see in our future is extinction, and with good reason.

IF we ever get off this planet, it will not be beyond this solar system, and it will be the result of egotistical and short-lived experiments that serve to prove our technological incapacity.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:30:41 PM EDT

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Yes.

For the same general reasons people were arguing for exporting people from Europe to the 'New World', a few centuries ago.

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That's not a good argument. Look what we've made of the "New World".

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:36:25 PM EDT

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why not? they’re the branch of military service that has the most experience placing a bunch of human beings inside of metal vessels for long periods of time.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:37:47 PM EDT

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How completely useless.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:38:38 PM EDT

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Navy ranks sound dumb though.

Ensign. Rear ensign. Admiral. Rear Admiral.
Who's pitcher who's catcher?
Petty Officer. Are they fickle?

Space Force needs new ranks. Absolutely ridiculous sounding in nature.
E1-Space Cadet. That's a given. For the LOLs.

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I think I agree.

A true space force will be a large complex ship not a single seat fighter or small crew bomber. A naval structure is much better suited for that environment.

That said I honestly think the Navy should have been the lead on space force not the air force.

Navy ranks sound dumb though.

Ensign. Rear ensign. Admiral. Rear Admiral.
Who's pitcher who's catcher?
Petty Officer. Are they fickle?

Space Force needs new ranks. Absolutely ridiculous sounding in nature.
E1-Space Cadet. That's a given. For the LOLs.

When I was Army, my signature block was was something like:

SGT GovtThug
1/502nd INF
FTCKY
DSN 867-5309

Navy was like:

P@-2 Marinegirlfriend
Somefuckingship
DSN GoodLuckGettingInContactWithMe

What the fuck is a P@-2? It's not on any rank equivalency chart. Is that your MOS? What the fuck is that?

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:40:29 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/24/2019 11:41:31 PM EDT

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why not? they’re the branch of military service that has the most experience placing a bunch of human beings inside of metal vessels for long periods of time.

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The Space Force isn't Star Trek.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:43:17 PM EDT

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The Space Force isn't Star Trek.

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But my Master Chief video game masturbation will be in vain!

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:49:45 PM EDT

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Navy rank is dumb and you should feel dumb

Yes, because when the AF is so f-ed up by cheating scandals and such with in their nuclear forces, who was brought in to fix them? Oh, those stupid navy guys.....

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:55:21 PM EDT

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The Space Force isn't Star Trek.

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why not? they’re the branch of military service that has the most experience placing a bunch of human beings inside of metal vessels for long periods of time.

The Space Force isn't Star Trek.

No shit. So many people seem to think that the only thing holding us back from deploying Star Destroyers is that we didn't have a branch for them.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:57:34 PM EDT

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Every rank, rating, and piece of equipment needs to have the word "Space" in front of it.

Posted: 12/24/2019 11:59:40 PM EDT

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When I was Army, my signature block was was something like:

SGT GovtThug
1/502nd INF
FTCKY
DSN 867-5309

Navy was like:

P@-2 Marinegirlfriend
Somefuckingship
DSN GoodLuckGettingInContactWithMe

What the fuck is a P@-2? It's not on any rank equivalency chart. Is that your MOS? What the fuck is that?

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Yes. You have to know the guy's job to actually call him the correct title.

The Air Force we are just about as easy as it gets:
- E1-E4: Airman
- E5-E8: Sergeant
- E9: Chief

Posted: 12/25/2019 12:00:07 AM EDT

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So you have your space DD214?

Posted: 12/25/2019 12:00:32 AM EDT

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When I was Army, my signature block was was something like:

SGT GovtThug
1/502nd INF
FTCKY
DSN 867-5309

Navy was like:

P@-2 Marinegirlfriend
Somefuckingship
DSN GoodLuckGettingInContactWithMe

What the fuck is a P@-2? It's not on any rank equivalency chart. Is that your MOS? What the fuck is that?

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We get it, it's Christmas you hate life and nobody loves you so the entire human race deserves to die.