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Link Posted: 12/25/2019 1:10:10 PM EDT
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I hope they adopt Commodore for one star instead of Rear Admiral, Lower Half like the USN has today.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 1:12:03 PM EDT
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The only rank that is a must, Second Lieutenant=Space Cadet.
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I came here to post this.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 1:36:02 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/25/2019 1:37:32 PM EDT
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Maybe the Space Force could use a totally new idea for rank structures.  As some examples:

Junior Storm Leader
Senior Storm Leader
Head Storm Leader
Storm Unit Leader
Senior Storm Leader
etc.

Or jump to the top ranks:
Senior Group Leader

These ranks have never been done before so therefore they would be super awesome.
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I did nazi that coming.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 2:16:32 PM EDT
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This coming from a yahoo calling himself Commander Salamander? What a fucking retard.
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Or ‘guntrk’?

Link Posted: 12/25/2019 2:23:38 PM EDT
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Navy rank is dumb and you should feel dumb
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This.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 2:28:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/25/2019 2:48:19 PM EDT
[#8]
Should Space Force also adopt sodomy and the lash?
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 2:49:25 PM EDT
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Eventually, Space Force will morph.



Link Posted: 12/25/2019 2:55:56 PM EDT
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Navy rank is dumb and you should feel dumb
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Not
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 3:01:51 PM EDT
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In true ARFCOM fashion, do both.

Ensign
Lt
Lt Commander
Lt Col
Captain
brigadier general
Rear Admiral
Captian General
Admiral
General of the Fleet
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 3:02:30 PM EDT
[#13]
Sorry kids, it's already cannon that Space Force is an extension of the Air Force.

Sorry the Navy sucks.
Not sorry.

Link Posted: 12/25/2019 3:03:31 PM EDT
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No shit. Navy rank structure is some nonsensical shit.
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I guess Sailors are just smart enough to understand basic concepts better than the other services.

Enlisted ranks are in groups of three. Seamen, Petty Officers, Chief Perty Officers.  Simple.
Enlisted ratings immediately tell you what both the Sailor's job and rank are in a single notation.
Officer ranks are historical and have direct analogues with the same insignia to the land forces.

I mean what the hell is a "Technical Sergeant"?  Someone who is technically but not actually a sergeant?
And how do you know just from the title if a sergeant major or a first sergeant is senior?
And Generals, how are Major and Lieutenant General orders swapped in seniority from the lower ranks?
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 3:04:57 PM EDT
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Ehhhhhhh...

I don't wanna see more Admirals than ships.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 3:06:47 PM EDT
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Soldier

Sailor

Marine

Airman

Spaceman?
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 3:10:44 PM EDT
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Navy ranks structure is just fine.

V/R,
IT1(SW) Maccrage
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Look at that.

A First Class Petty Officer (E-6) who is an Information Technician with a Surface Warfare qualification.

I didnt have to decode some mysterious 4 digit number to figure out what he did.
I didn't have to sift through two dozen generic "sergeants" to find the one trained to fix my computer.
I know he's been stationed sea duty on an afloat unit, and passed the warfare training curriculum including the written test and oral board.

All contained in those 5 little symbols.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 3:13:34 PM EDT
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What makes a spacecraft a "ship" and an aircraft not a "ship"?
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Obviously if they're on board space"ships" it should be Naval rank but since it's under the Air Force I doubt that's going to happen.
What makes a spacecraft a "ship" and an aircraft not a "ship"?
Ships contain thing like berthing spaces, gallies, machine shops, heads, Intel collection, planning spaces, etc.

Aircraft operate on or from ships.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 3:17:53 PM EDT
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I hope they adopt Commodore for one star instead of Rear Admiral, Lower Half like the USN has today.
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It used to be that way, it was changed in the late 80s, early 90s because the Navy One Stars were being boxed out of GOFO meetings because the other services didnt understand a Commodore IS a Flag Officer.
The other services need the indicator "General" to figure that out.  Even the senior officers in the other services couldn't "get it".
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 3:25:20 PM EDT
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Actually not true, SPAWAR brought you the winning that was JMS
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So, what branch of service do I not see on a daily basis in the JFSCC office here?  What branch is it that always asks for Space support but then cancels because they have to pay for it and act like that is new in the DoD? Hmmm, I wonder.  SPAWAR may be a bit of an exception, but the rest they practically ignore.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 3:32:56 PM EDT
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Navy rank is dumb and you should feel dumb
This.
Absolutely. 20 years of dealing with all the other branches and I still can't figure Navy rank out.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 4:06:19 PM EDT
[#23]
I would prefer all the name tapes say asshole

Spaceballs - I Knew It I'm Surrounded By Assholes
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 4:32:19 PM EDT
[#24]
They should adopt Marine Corps ranks and have crossed rockets. First sergeants keep diamonds, sergeants major keep stars, master guns get a freakin laser beam or nuke symbol
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 4:36:27 PM EDT
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Ships contain thing like berthing spaces, gallies, machine shops, heads, Intel collection, planning spaces, etc.

Aircraft operate on or from ships.
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Obviously if they're on board space"ships" it should be Naval rank but since it's under the Air Force I doubt that's going to happen.
What makes a spacecraft a "ship" and an aircraft not a "ship"?
Ships contain thing like berthing spaces, gallies, machine shops, heads, Intel collection, planning spaces, etc.

Aircraft operate on or from ships.
Sounds like a good reason for space force to not use naval rank, since they don't have any of that shit.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 4:40:13 PM EDT
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Navy ranks are the most ridiculous.  What'll they be - a 'spaceman' instead of a 'seaman'? Petty officer is also gay.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 4:41:57 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'm sure a bunch of dudes from the least "classically" military part of the Air Force are going to adopt naval customs....

….so, no.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 4:49:34 PM EDT
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MOS 1A, Door Gunner

Door Gunner Basic-1A
Door Gunner Senior-1A2
Door Gunner Team Leader-1A3
Door Gunner Group Leader-1A4
Door Gunner Cluster Group Leader-1A5
Door Gunner Star Cluster Group Leader-1A6
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 4:55:45 PM EDT
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FPNI

Naval enlisted rank is gay. You've got five different flavors of lower enlisted, weird random insignia denotes one asshole is higher than other assholes, and there is precisely zero camaraderie between ranks because ermagherd you have an extra divot on your winklepea so you gotta eat over there.

Naval officer rank is more gay. There are four branches of the military and three of them use the same officer ranks. Not the Navy, because gay. (Coast Guard isn't a branch, because they're gay too)

Pretty much everything about the Navy is wrong.

Space Force is a department of the Air Force and *NOT* the Navy for several reasons:

1. Nobody wants to be a faggot.
2. The ranks make sense.
3. The Navy is dumb and gay.
4. The Navy involves the surface, not above atmo.

And lastly, nobody likes the Navy. Because gay.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 4:58:53 PM EDT
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Yes.  You have to know the guy's job to actually call him the correct title.

The Air Force we are just about as easy as it gets:
- E1-E4: Airman
- E5-E7: Sergeant
- E8: Chief
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When I was Army, my signature block was was something like:

SGT GovtThug
1/502nd INF
FTCKY
DSN 867-5309

Navy was like:

P@-2 Marinegirlfriend
Somefuckingship
DSN GoodLuckGettingInContactWithMe

What the fuck is a P@-2? It's not on any rank equivalency chart. Is that your MOS? What the fuck is that?
Yes.  You have to know the guy's job to actually call him the correct title.

The Air Force we are just about as easy as it gets:
- E1-E4: Airman
- E5-E7: Sergeant
- E8: Chief
E9?

Never called a senior a chief...
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:05:01 PM EDT
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I guess Sailors are just smart enough to understand basic concepts better than the other services.

Enlisted ranks are in groups of three. Seamen, Petty Officers, Chief Perty Officers.  Simple.
Enlisted ratings immediately tell you what both the Sailor's job and rank are in a single notation.
Officer ranks are historical and have direct analogues with the same insignia to the land forces.

I mean what the hell is a "Technical Sergeant"?  Someone who is technically but not actually a sergeant?
And how do you know just from the title if a sergeant major or a first sergeant is senior?
And Generals, how are Major and Lieutenant General orders swapped in seniority from the lower ranks?
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No shit. Navy rank structure is some nonsensical shit.
I guess Sailors are just smart enough to understand basic concepts better than the other services.

Enlisted ranks are in groups of three. Seamen, Petty Officers, Chief Perty Officers.  Simple.
Enlisted ratings immediately tell you what both the Sailor's job and rank are in a single notation.
Officer ranks are historical and have direct analogues with the same insignia to the land forces.

I mean what the hell is a "Technical Sergeant"?  Someone who is technically but not actually a sergeant?
And how do you know just from the title if a sergeant major or a first sergeant is senior?
And Generals, how are Major and Lieutenant General orders swapped in seniority from the lower ranks?
Heh, one paragraph later as Sailors be smarter, doesn't understand technical sergeant is the person who is supposed to be the master technician.

Master sergeant is the guy in charge of the other sergeants.

Senior and chief are pretty self explanatory.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:06:52 PM EDT
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E-1 Spaceman Recruit
E-2 Spaceman
E-3 Spaceman First Class
E-4 Petty Officer/Laser Corporal
E-5 Petty Officer 2nd Class/Corporal
E-6 Petty Officer 1st Class/Sergeant
E-7 Chief Petty Officer/Laser Sergeant
E-8 Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant
E-9 Master Chief Petty Officer/Master Laser Sergeant
E-9 Sergeant Major of the Space Force

O-1 Space Cadet
O-2 Ensign
O-3 Lieutenant
O-4 Lieutenant Commander
O-5 Commander
O-6 Captain
O-7 Admiral
O-8 Fleet Admiral
O-9 Lieutenant General
O-10 General
O-11 Commandant of the Space Force
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:07:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:21:57 PM EDT
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Of course, it SHOULD be Spaceman.

But the Gender Warriors will no longer allow it.

We’ll just have to go with Space Marines.
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Soldier

Sailor

Marine

Airman

Spaceman?
Of course, it SHOULD be Spaceman.

But the Gender Warriors will no longer allow it.

We’ll just have to go with Space Marines.
Starship Trooper  
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:24:17 PM EDT
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Should Space Force also adopt sodomy and the lash?
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I think after some times nature will take its course.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:25:33 PM EDT
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Heh, one paragraph later as Sailors be smarter, doesn't understand technical sergeant is the person who is supposed to be the master technician.

Master sergeant is the guy in charge of the other sergeants.

Senior and chief are pretty self explanatory.
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Meh.  Chair Force are just the Trannies of the Army
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:28:43 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:34:20 PM EDT
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Meh.  Chair Force are just the Trannies of the Army
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Heh, one paragraph later as Sailors be smarter, doesn't understand technical sergeant is the person who is supposed to be the master technician.

Master sergeant is the guy in charge of the other sergeants.

Senior and chief are pretty self explanatory.
Meh.  Chair Force are just the Trannies of the Army


It's true...

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E-1 Spaceman Recruit
E-2 Spaceman
E-3 Spaceman First Class
E-4 Petty Officer/Laser Corporal
E-5 Petty Officer 2nd Class/Corporal
E-6 Petty Officer 1st Class/Sergeant
E-7 Chief Petty Officer/Laser Sergeant
E-8 Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant
E-9 Master Chief Petty Officer/Master Laser Sergeant
E-9 Sergeant Major of the Space Force

O-1 Space Cadet
O-2 Ensign
O-3 Lieutenant
O-4 Lieutenant Commander
O-5 Commander
O-6 Captain
O-7 Admiral
O-8 Fleet Admiral
O-9 Lieutenant General
O-10 General
O-11 Commandant of the Space Force
E9 should be Laser Master.
E9 of the space force should be, "The Last Laser Master!"

STAR WARS EP 6: The Last Laser Master
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:40:23 PM EDT
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Navy Captain > Army Captain.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:41:09 PM EDT
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E-1 Airlock Fodder
E-2 Spaceman
E-3 Spaceman First Class
E-4 Special Spaceman
E-5 Space Sergeant
E-6 Office Space Sergeant
E-7 Orbital Sergeant
E-8 System Sergeant
E-9 Chief System Sergeant
E-9 Sergeant of the Space Force

O-1 Space Cadet
O-2 Space Waste
O-3 Space Case
O-4 Space Office Commander
O-5 Major Space Commander
O-6 Space Colonel Captain Commander
O-7 Space Marshall
O-8 Major Space Marshall
O-9 Orbital Marshall
O-10 System Marshall
O-11 Grand Office Space Marshall

Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:43:34 PM EDT
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E-1 Airlock Fodder
E-2 Spaceman
E-3 Spaceman First Class
E-4 Special Spaceman
E-5 Space Sergeant
E-6 Office Space Sergeant
E-7 Orbital Sergeant
E-8 System Sergeant
E-9 Chief System Sergeant
E-9 Sergeant of the Space Force

O-1 Space Cadet
O-2 Space Waste
O-3 Space Case
O-4 Space Commander
O-5 Major Space Commander
O-6 Space Colonel Captain Commander
O-7 Space Marshall
O-8 Major Space Marshall
O-9 Orbital Marshall
O-10 System Marshall
O-11 Grand Office Space Marshall

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Where does E-4 Mafia fit in?
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:47:40 PM EDT
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There's nothing foolish about good old fashioned rum, sodomy and the lash.

It's not queer if it's away from the pier.

It's not gay if it's under weigh.

USSF - Putting the trans in transfer orbit.
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 5:57:37 PM EDT
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They are the Special Mafia
They even get special helmets and uniforms:


E-4 Special Spaceman

Here are some other proposals:


E-2 Spaceman (Space Police uniform)


O-4 Space Office Commander (Class A)


O-6 Space Colonel Captain Commander
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 7:16:59 PM EDT
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E9?

Never called a senior a chief...
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When I was Army, my signature block was was something like:

SGT GovtThug
1/502nd INF
FTCKY
DSN 867-5309

Navy was like:

P@-2 Marinegirlfriend
Somefuckingship
DSN GoodLuckGettingInContactWithMe

What the fuck is a P@-2? It's not on any rank equivalency chart. Is that your MOS? What the fuck is that?
Yes.  You have to know the guy's job to actually call him the correct title.

The Air Force we are just about as easy as it gets:
- E1-E4: Airman
- E5-E7: Sergeant
- E8: Chief
E9?

Never called a senior a chief...
Details schmetails.  
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 9:07:49 PM EDT
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Yes.  You have to know the guy's job to actually call him the correct title.

The Air Force we are just about as easy as it gets:
- E1-E4: Airman
- E5-E8: Sergeant
- E9: Chief  
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THIS

Future America needs a rank structure that reads:

E-1  SPACEMAN BASIC
E-2  SPACEMAN
E-3  SPACEMAN 1ST CLASS
E-4  SENIOR SPACEMAN
E-5  SPACE SERGEANT
E-6  TECHNICAL SPACE SERGEANT
E-7  MASTER SPACE SERGEANT
E-8  SENIOR SPACE SERGEANT
E-9  CHIEF SPACE SERGEANT
Link Posted: 12/25/2019 9:34:09 PM EDT
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Made a few changes:

E-1 Spaceman Recruit
E-2 Spaceman
E-3 Spaceman First Class
E-4 Petty Officer/Laser Corporal
E-5 Petty Officer 2nd Class/Corporal
E-6 Petty Officer 1st Class/Sergeant
E-7 Chief Petty Officer/Laser Sergeant
E-8 Senior Chief Petty Officer/Master Sergeant
E-9 Master Chief Petty Officer/Master Laser Sergeant
E-9 Sergeant Major of the Space Force

O-1 Space Cadet
O-2 Ensign
O-3 Lieutenant
O-4 Lieutenant Commander
O-5 Commander
O-6 Captain
O-7 Admiral
O-8 Fleet Admiral
O-9 System Commander
O-10 Galactic Admiral
O-11 Commandant of the Space Force
Link Posted: 12/26/2019 9:04:27 AM EDT
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Details schmetails.  
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When I was Army, my signature block was was something like:

SGT GovtThug
1/502nd INF
FTCKY
DSN 867-5309

Navy was like:

P@-2 Marinegirlfriend
Somefuckingship
DSN GoodLuckGettingInContactWithMe

What the fuck is a P@-2? It's not on any rank equivalency chart. Is that your MOS? What the fuck is that?
Yes.  You have to know the guy's job to actually call him the correct title.

The Air Force we are just about as easy as it gets:
- E1-E4: Airman
- E5-E7: Sergeant
- E8: Chief
E9?

Never called a senior a chief...
Details schmetails.  
Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 12/26/2019 7:28:08 PM EDT
[#48]
I am impressed with how few people read the quote in the op
Link Posted: 12/26/2019 8:00:54 PM EDT
[#49]
"Mandating naval ranks will spur the development of a new manner of thinking. The culture shock of a completely new rank amongst the service's highest tenured will have a trickle-down effect, starting the USSF off on the right foot."

So, what the Chair Farce star is saying is "They will be triggered"!  So.  CG ranks it be!!  Cause!  Space Pirates they be!!
Link Posted: 12/26/2019 10:44:57 PM EDT
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It's not queer out of the atmosphere.
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