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Posted: 8/30/2018 4:04:13 PM EDT

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Very well done OP.

You certainly delivered.

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ya..i was worried to post too much pics but the truth is that i had to made a selection between hundreds of pics and relics. it took me almost 9 hours, basically all my free day, to take pictures, modify them, post them and write the introduction, but i am glad to show something about the seldom-ignored italian front of ww1 to you guys, especially since i saw you were very interested!

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:06:54 PM EDT

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Well done and thank You. I am envious.
Your command of the English language is very impressive. At least a thousand times better than My non-existent Italian skills!

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thanks :)
you know, learning italian it's not very useful unless you plan to live in Italy or if you want to study some branches of art/music/roman history..

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:07:13 PM EDT

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Excellent post, man. Much appreciated.

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:07:27 PM EDT

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Wow! Awesome thread, thanks!!

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:08:36 PM EDT

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Awesome OP! Very much worth the wait.
If you ever come to Tennessee maybe I can take you where you can look for American Indian artifacts. It's raining hard here now, tomorrow morning would be perfect.

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:09:39 PM EDT

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Awesome!

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:10:04 PM EDT

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Fascinating. Thank you.

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:11:37 PM EDT

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ah....grappa....nectar of the gods

i have a friend who makes it from his second run (aquat) vino
good stuff

mi piacce molto i

gnocci...con sugo/ragu di pomodoro (we americans with roots from naples call it gravy)

thanks for all the hard work posting ssimo

molto piacere!

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:11:48 PM EDT

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Thanks for the effort, fascinating stuff.

Attacking those machinegun posts looks like it was no fun at all.

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:12:13 PM EDT

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Great stuff OP.

Best post in a long time.

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:13:18 PM EDT

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So at most 12,000 feet. Until acclimated, the altitude really slows you down.

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yes, it heavily depends on your acclimatation. for example, first time i went over 4500 meters i was young and not much used to those altitudes and i was pretty slow..last month i went on monte Rosa at 4700 m and it was like at my house in the plains just because i went on monte Gran Paradiso (4080 m) a week earlier! Blood red cells have a lifetime of more or less 4 month: if you go on high mountains at least 6-7 times per year you are not much slowed down up to 4500-5000 m, past that altitude it's no joke and even with the best acclimatation there is a substantial loss of performance! the weight of the backpack is very important too! are you a fellow mountaineer?

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:14:01 PM EDT

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Thanks OP!

Amazing pictures

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:17:41 PM EDT

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War in the high places - thank you for posting this. Incredibly interesting.

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:18:13 PM EDT

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it wasn't. especially if the army commander in chief is a guy called Cadorna. that bastard! he once said: in order to conquer a position you just have to calculate how many enemy machineguns will kill and send more troops. Fortunately this concept wasn't adopted too much as far as battlefield tactics, it was unfortunately adopted as general strategy of the first 3 years of war (see the 12 battles of Isonzo, half won by italians, half won by austrians, but "winning" in this case means losing 30-100k troops and advancing a few kilometers)

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:18:27 PM EDT

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Fascinating! Thanks for sharing.

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:22:03 PM EDT

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Foto impressionanti!

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:31:43 PM EDT

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OP

Here are a few articles I found regarding the Italian front in WW1.

http://www.worldwar1.com/itafront/avalan.htm

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141017-white-war-first-world-war-italy-austro-hungarian-mountains-history/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-one/10562017/Melting-glaciers-in-northern-Italy-reveal-corpses-of-WW1-soldiers.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/most-treacherous-battle-world-war-i-italian-mountains-180959076/

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:32:01 PM EDT

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@ssimo

You are the kind of member we love to have here.

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Posted: 8/30/2018 4:35:20 PM EDT

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Another with lots of pics.

https://mashable.com/2016/11/27/wwi-italian-front/#UHeR8eY..kqZ

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:37:39 PM EDT

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Here are a few articles I found regarding the Italian front in WW1.

http://www.worldwar1.com/itafront/avalan.htm

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141017-white-war-first-world-war-italy-austro-hungarian-mountains-history/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-one/10562017/Melting-glaciers-in-northern-Italy-reveal-corpses-of-WW1-soldiers.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/most-treacherous-battle-world-war-i-italian-mountains-180959076/

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i read everyhing you linked, i already knew those facts but glad to see there is something translated in english around the web! i read the book named in the 3rd link, i wish it was translated! thank you for the links :)

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:40:16 PM EDT

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Yes! Thank you!

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:40:56 PM EDT

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Another with lots of pics.

https://mashable.com/2016/11/27/wwi-italian-front/#UHeR8eY..kqZ

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wow, the picture with cannon ammo with happy eastern wishes is nice!

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:45:40 PM EDT

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*Nominated for post of the year!!

Awesome! Thanks for sharing these.

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:49:41 PM EDT

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Another with lots of pics.

https://mashable.com/2016/11/27/wwi-italian-front/#UHeR8eY..kqZ

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i read the article and unfortunately it's not very accurate..there are so many misconceptions about the italian front, such as:
-allied help: no one knows that even italians helped allies on other front (for example for each french soldier dead on the italian front there were 10 italians dead in france)
-the battle of vittorio veneto is often described as a obvious victory for italians because the austrohungarian empire was collapsing, in reality, the austrian empire was collapsing mostly because the insuccess in the war, mostly against italians on Piave, and the battle of Vittorio Veneto was a furious fight, most of austrian troops defeated after having understood that the battle was lost. I read several books of real historians (not journalists) and that's the truth.
-the fact that italy was pushed toward fascism by humiliation and willing of revenge is true but the problem was the so called "vittoria mutilata": allied didn't concede to italians the territories they promised them at the beginning of the war!

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:50:42 PM EDT

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I'll second this.

Thanks for sharing the pics with us!

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:52:07 PM EDT

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thank you everyone for the appreciation, it's nice to see so much people interested in a very sad but still interesting chapter of our history, the time i spent to make this post was well invested :)

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:52:45 PM EDT

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I can't imagine fighting up in the mountains like that. Crazy.

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:53:50 PM EDT

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thank you :) unfortunately i didn't get what you mean by saying "log out and back in", maybe linguistic barrier

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:55:38 PM EDT

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I can't imagine fighting up in the mountains like that. Crazy.

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hiking on those mountains really takes you 100 uears ago, the contrast between the absolute peace and silence of our mountains nowadays and the hell back then is simply amazing. And try to go up there in winter, last year i did it, it's serious stuff, especially at night and if the weather is bad :/

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:56:41 PM EDT

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thank you :) unfortunately i didn't get what you mean by saying "log out and back in", maybe linguistic barrier

You got it worked out though.

Posted: 8/30/2018 4:59:27 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/30/2018 5:01:39 PM EDT

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Awesome thanks for posting!

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:05:38 PM EDT

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Ever read A Soldier Of The Great War by Mark Helprin? A fine novel with great Alpine battle scenes, and I always wondered how accurate it was.

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:12:59 PM EDT

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Today, OP was a pretty cool guy

thanks for sharing

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:15:52 PM EDT

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Thanks for the fantastic photos/information. Most people know very little about that portion of the war. My grandfather was on the Western Front.

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:16:12 PM EDT

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Thank you for sharing! These were very interesting and informative.

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:16:33 PM EDT

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coolest thing i've seen in a long time. thanks OP!

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:17:03 PM EDT

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no, i didn't! i heard of it but i am still finishing to read italian and austrian war diaries/memories. I'll read it for sure :) if you want to compare the realism of the scenes with some other testimoniances, i can suggest you some books. i assume you can't read italian but if you could read german, you won't have problems finding a good war diary based on the italian front. just googled "books about italian front ww1", here you go! https://www.google.it/search?q=books+about+italian+front+ww1&rlz=1C1EJFA_enIT720IT720&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3pcKs2ZXdAhXsz4UKHd8XAh8Q_AUICSgA&biw=1536&bih=759&dpr=1.25

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:25:15 PM EDT

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Fantastic photos OP!

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:27:38 PM EDT

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Nice work OP. Best thread (at least for me learning) in a month.

I was vaguely aware there were alpine battles between Austria and Italy in WW1, but had never looked into details. I had a very limited view that the toughest winter fights were the Finns/Russians in the winter war and U.S./China in Korea.

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:27:40 PM EDT

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ssimo, if you have a cool picture that you would like made into an avatar just post it here and we make make it into a nice avatar for you.

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:40:31 PM EDT

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Very cool

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:41:51 PM EDT

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Nice work OP. Best thread (at least for me learning) in a month.

I was vaguely aware there were alpine battles between Austria and Italy in WW1, but had never looked into details. I had a very limited view that the toughest winter fights were the Finns/Russians in the winter war and U.S./China in Korea.

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glad to have been informative, i suggest you to dig into this matter cause it's very interesting (i'm probably biased by nationality and for being in those mountains since i was 6 years old). if you are interested and if you plan to visit Italy in order to visit Rome, Florence, etc, just do that (roman history is even more interesting) but take a couple days to visit alps: there are very few battlefields so inaccessible and consequently well conservated and, even putting wars aside, the mountains are just great!

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:43:41 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/30/2018 5:44:31 PM EDT

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I read that. It is a great novel. I say novel, because I don't know how accurate it is either.

If it can be confirmed to be reasonably accurate, I would consider it to be a very great novel.

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:44:37 PM EDT

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i had already choose this one before reading your post, if you can make it better i absolutely accept the offer ;)

Posted: 8/30/2018 5:48:25 PM EDT

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Very nice! Great job documenting those events. It was extremely interesting and the photo were amazing. Thank you very much for taking the time to share with us.

I will have to take a closer look at those campaigns. It is very interesting point in history.
Thank you again.