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Posted: 4/20/2020 11:04:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fleeing from a non-violent offense? The agencies I have worked with would have stopped the pursuit. Supervisor would have killed that almost immediately here. No way they go 100+ for a stop sign ticket. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 12:04:46 AM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not 30 feet, more like 12 feet. Dude. he clipped the *top* of a power pole, then you see him looking more or less straight on at the top of another. IDK if those things are 30 feet tall, but they're a lot closer to 30 than 12. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 12:31:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ehh? better than the high speed head-on collision that killed some innocents that was sure to happen. Good pit maneuver! |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 12:49:00 AM EST
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Let me see if I have this correct. Everywhere but in this jurisdiction you are pretty fair to do whatever as long as it is not a felony during the 'rona. "Bad guy" runs red light and get "You will respect my authority." At wildly, and from what I have gathered long before this abuse, speeds there is issued not a stop pursuit order but a kill order. Then junior sees his opportunity to advance his career and hits the truck in the wrong spot thereby killing red light runner and garnering himself some flight time. And as usual gd lick the boots of their oppressors and applauds.
Am I missing something? Multi state killing spree? Kidnapping? Drug overlord? Refused to join union? Stole candy from a baby? Even here they blue line has limits as to "safe" speeds to us and any .....hell 2nd grader could have foreseen the outcome. Butt blue lovers matter. Guess I'll reply in a week, month or whatever they choose to give me for not swallowing. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 12:49:38 AM EST
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I don't give a crap about the driver getting killed, but question the wisdom of continuing a pursuit of that risk level for a traffic infraction.
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Posted: 4/21/2020 1:00:00 AM EST
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I’m surprised the news station didn’t blur out the dead drivers body in the video. Officer walks up to him on the ground with his gun out.
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Posted: 4/21/2020 1:04:04 AM EST
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Bored cops.
Quarantine, so substantially less traffic. Truck that can't outrun a police car. Bored cops. What did you think was going to happen? |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 1:04:54 AM EST
[#8]
100mpph PIT?
Cop is retarded. Literally. Darwin was robbed. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 1:16:43 AM EST
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I'm a swing voter in these sorts of threads, but I've gotta go with team blue on this one.
A traffic violation might have been how the party started, but dude stacked up a few felonies and endangered some people before it became a contact sport. I don't think a PIT attempt at high speeds was a great idea, but the outcome is acceptable. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 1:31:25 AM EST
[#10]
I'm with team blue on this one.
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Posted: 4/21/2020 2:24:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well at least the only fatality was the scumbag who was running and no innocent drivers or officers. This. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 3:04:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me see if I have this correct. Everywhere but in this jurisdiction you are pretty fair to do whatever as long as it is not a felony during the 'rona. "Bad guy" runs red light and get "You will respect my authority." At wildly, and from what I have gathered long before this abuse, speeds there is issued not a stop pursuit order but a kill order. Then junior sees his opportunity to advance his career and hits the truck in the wrong spot thereby killing red light runner and garnering himself some flight time. And as usual gd lick the boots of their oppressors and applauds. Am I missing something? Multi state killing spree? Kidnapping? Drug overlord? Refused to join union? Stole candy from a baby? Even here they blue line has limits as to "safe" speeds to us and any .....hell 2nd grader could have foreseen the outcome. Butt blue lovers matter. Guess I'll reply in a week, month or whatever they choose to give me for not swallowing. George Takai Oh My gif  |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 3:05:40 AM EST
[#13]
ETA doubletap
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Posted: 4/21/2020 3:21:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the guy had pulled over, taken his ticket, he would still be alive. He is responsible for the outcome. His actions alone permitted the trooper to what he did. Yeah... like that guy in that hotel hallway in Arizona. That worked out well for him.  Agreed that the stiff was a fucking idiot, I just don't think what the office did was rational by any stretch of the word. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 3:44:32 AM EST
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Quoted: So, It would be OK if this guy killed someone before they found him again? Found a thin blue liner... 
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Posted: 4/21/2020 4:26:30 AM EST
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it's always a Ram.
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Posted: 4/21/2020 4:33:34 AM EST
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A new IN gif
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Posted: 4/21/2020 6:22:33 AM EST
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Not a cop but I've been through a ton of offensive driving courses over the years as well as internal training. Places like VIR, BSR, some State police training and things like that. Everything that I've ever learned about PITs was that 35 mph is about max. I've tried them on a track at about 45 and things definitely got squirrelly. I held it and no crash but it was close. There are some techniques to kill someone with a PIT, or at least guarantee that the car rolls over, and it's always been explained by the cop lawyers that it's a no-no.
Doing a PIT at 100 mph is criminal. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 6:40:22 AM EST
[#19]
Officers involved should be reprimanded, possibly terminated for this. At best, that was suicide by cop by the driver of the pickup. Continuing that chase put innocent lives at risk and luck prevented anyone else's death. It still destroyed two telephone poles, a truck, a police card, resulted in one death and possibly ruined lives of the driver's family. For what?
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Posted: 4/21/2020 6:59:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many departments have gone to not giving chase over a misdemeanor. Enjoy the lawsuit. Light runners will eventually have a crash. They are the primary reason I don't ride anymore. What you are essentially saying, is that police should just stop enforcement of traffic laws if the offenders even start to run. They have basically stopped enforcement of intersection violations in Greenville, particularly for traffic lights. For years, BTW and now the light running is constant and blatant. 3-5 seconds after the light has gone red, is common. I have seen it done IN FRONT OF Greenville PD and they do nothing. The wrecker business and lights and siren manufacturers are happy though, for all the use they get responding to accidents. But hey, if it saves one life, stop enforcement of misdemeanor traffic laws! Let's ignore that running lights and stop signs is one of the worst things you can do on the road, considering the risk to others. I don't advocate for cameras or that shit, I advocate for cops nailing the shit out of light runners. But people fight those in court, they rarely fight speeding tickets... |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 7:06:15 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cops killed the guy for running a stop sign. Their incompetence led them to think they could PIT a vehicle (a pickup with a high center of gravity at that) at 100mph+ Like a lot of departments around the country, the pursuit should have been called off for such a minor traffic violation. They have the plate number, a description of the truck and the driver. They can find him in a couple of hours and talk to him then. Do he dindu nuffin wrong? He could have stopped and gotten a ticket for a traffic infraction. The driver of the pickup made the decision that cost him his life. HE escalated. This is like a pilot who decides to go flying in marginal or shit weather, because his wife wants to get somewhere and they crash and die. Did his wife kill him or did his poor decision making kill him? |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 7:08:08 AM EST
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Posted: 4/21/2020 7:13:06 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just another day in Hazzard County. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQss1bVDDHpWqQmOPFCstbWo4k5MycyQCc-NdfdQT4mCgOs-JhU&usqp=CAU Yup, textbook Dukes of Hazzard right there. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 7:19:30 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me see if I have this correct. Everywhere but in this jurisdiction you are pretty fair to do whatever as long as it is not a felony during the 'rona. "Bad guy" runs red light and get "You will respect my authority." At wildly, and from what I have gathered long before this abuse, speeds there is issued not a stop pursuit order but a kill order. Then junior sees his opportunity to advance his career and hits the truck in the wrong spot thereby killing red light runner and garnering himself some flight time. And as usual gd lick the boots of their oppressors and applauds. Am I missing something? Multi state killing spree? Kidnapping? Drug overlord? Refused to join union? Stole candy from a baby? Even here they blue line has limits as to "safe" speeds to us and any .....hell 2nd grader could have foreseen the outcome. Butt blue lovers matter. Guess I'll reply in a week, month or whatever they choose to give me for not swallowing. Hahahahahahahah |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 7:21:31 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a swing voter in these sorts of threads, but I've gotta go with team blue on this one. A traffic violation might have been how the party started, but dude stacked up a few felonies and endangered some people before it became a contact sport. I don't think a PIT attempt at high speeds was a great idea, but the outcome is acceptable. No, you dont understand. You can apparently do anything after the initial traffic violation and it doesn't matter. Cops should have turned off the lights and gone home and let the guy go and kill someone, I think he could start shooting people while driving down the road and it still only counts as a stop sign violation or some shit to some of gd. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 7:22:32 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Truck was dipping into the oncoming lane, only a matter of time before a bystander got killed. PIT was legit. If the PIT was legit, you must acquit. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 7:29:46 AM EST
[#27]
Haven't read 5 pages of likely retardedness.
That pickup driver was insane, a murderous outcome almost all but guaranteed. That officer is as much a hero as any I've ever seen. God bless men of honor and conviction. Good thing he launched. That pole wasn't going to snap so easy near the base. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 8:19:22 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Found a thin blue liner... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, It would be OK if this guy killed someone before they found him again? Found a thin blue liner... |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 8:22:39 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Supervisor would have killed that almost immediately here. No way they go 100+ for a stop sign ticket. Quote HistoryQuoted: Supervisor would have killed that almost immediately here. No way they go 100+ for a stop sign ticket. Quoted: We cant pit here and that pursuit would have been called off along time ago. Glad the Trooper is OK, no shits about the other guy. US Forest Service Officer decides to enforce state traffic law in a period of 'smile and wave'. Is that even legal? Driver flees, tree cop initiates pursuit.  Tree cop calls for backup, state troopers continue pursuit through multiple counties. Fleeing driver starts making deadly threats against innocent motorists. Trooper initiates deadly force against fleeing driver in a brief moment of no oncoming traffic (at 3x the normal PIT speed). Maybe he could have hit the truck farther back, maybe he could have gotten on the brakes quicker, maybe the truck hooked his roo bars and he was effectively a passenger the whole time. Trooper sends himself to the hospital, but at least nobody else was injured or killed. Lots of went into the making of this shit sandwich, but it was the pickup truck driver who chose to make it a deadly shit sandwich. Trooper probably did the best thing at the time he did it. (What's that you say? The miscreant died? Legitimate use of force in defense of others. ZFG) |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 8:40:50 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Asshole was definitely swerving into oncoming traffic at 100. What do you do? Brave kid to take him out hard. 100% agree, not a lot of options given it was a matter of time before he hit an innocent driver. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 8:51:47 AM EST
[#31]
There have been incidents of troopers/cops intentionally hitting wrong-way drivers head-on to save others. Frequently kills both the cop and the wrong way driver.
According to some of GD, cop ought to be charged with murder. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 8:54:47 AM EST
[#32]
Speeding driver was a high risk to others just like a drunk driver. Frankly, if we were to pit drunk drivers it should would slow down the problem.
"Oh, no's! You killed muh baby. Cop ought to be charged with murder." "No. Your loved one was a deadly threat to others. He had to be stopped." |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 8:57:55 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me see if I have this correct. Everywhere but in this jurisdiction you are pretty fair to do whatever as long as it is not a felony during the 'rona. "Bad guy" runs red light and get "You will respect my authority." At wildly, and from what I have gathered long before this abuse, speeds there is issued not a stop pursuit order but a kill order. Then junior sees his opportunity to advance his career and hits the truck in the wrong spot thereby killing red light runner and garnering himself some flight time. And as usual gd lick the boots of their oppressors and applauds. Am I missing something? Multi state killing spree? Kidnapping? Drug overlord? Refused to join union? Stole candy from a baby? Even here they blue line has limits as to "safe" speeds to us and any .....hell 2nd grader could have foreseen the outcome. Butt blue lovers matter. Guess I'll reply in a week, month or whatever they choose to give me for not swallowing. User name fits and all that..... 
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Posted: 4/21/2020 9:09:06 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't give a crap about the driver getting killed, but question the wisdom of continuing a pursuit of that risk level for a traffic infraction. I'm all for the limited pursuit policy. Anything over 100mph can be serious problems and doing a pit at that speed...well you see what happens. It could have ended waaaay worse. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 9:23:48 AM EST
[#35]
At the start of the video where the truck is coming the opposite direction is not far from my father-in-laws house, so i'm familiar with the area.
It's a good 10-15 miles from that point to where it finishes. So already a long pursuit, yet they were not trying to PIT the guy for running high speeds on that. It was the extended run in the opposite lane for no real reason that forced their hands. Where it finished is in front of Ben Geren park if anyone wants a look on the googles. They're heading east, sun coming up over the hill so it's early. Normally the next intersection down is VERY busy, even early, as it's kind of the end of a cutoff that a lot of people take. Maybe the police were taking that into account. Now during covid, it would be less busy, but still some people. Chances are he saved some lives. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 9:38:41 AM EST
[#36]
We pretty much can’t pursue anyone for anything, especially if the basis of the stop was a traffic violation.
Get a plate and follow up later - get a helicopter if it’s that big of a deal. Very doubtful the guy would continue driving the way he was if the lights were no longer behind him. The family will more than likely sue, taxpayers will payout, and the agency will change a policy about pit maneuvers or completely get rid of them. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 9:43:44 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Light runners will eventually have a crash. They are the primary reason I don't ride anymore. What you are essentially saying, is that police should just stop enforcement of traffic laws if the offenders even start to run. They have basically stopped enforcement of intersection violations in Greenville, particularly for traffic lights. For years, BTW and now the light running is constant and blatant. 3-5 seconds after the light has gone red, is common. I have seen it done IN FRONT OF Greenville PD and they do nothing. The wrecker business and lights and siren manufacturers are happy though, for all the use they get responding to accidents. But hey, if it saves one life, stop enforcement of misdemeanor traffic laws! Let's ignore that running lights and stop signs is one of the worst things you can do on the road, considering the risk to others. I don't advocate for cameras or that shit, I advocate for cops nailing the shit out of light runners. But people fight those in court, they rarely fight speeding tickets... does on a normal day when the cops aren't around. Fuck intentionally bad, super aggressive drivers. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 9:51:50 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not 30 feet, more like 12 feet. Watch it again |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:09:59 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It was lethal force. Justified lethal force (on a fleeing felon) to stop an immediate threat to the public, (by a fleeing felon). Of all the possible terrible outcomes, the cop managed to force the least terrible one to occur. Risky but it worked out in this case. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wild, where I work pitting above 35 miles an hour is considered lethal force. It was lethal force. Justified lethal force (on a fleeing felon) to stop an immediate threat to the public, (by a fleeing felon). Of all the possible terrible outcomes, the cop managed to force the least terrible one to occur. Risky but it worked out in this case. Added a few things for clarification. He became a fleeing felon when he didn't stop for lights and sirens. Factor that into his overall behavior, and it was a good idea to shut the bad guy down before he did any real harm. OTOH, they could have waited until they got to a more populated location where there were a bunch of civilians, surrounded the truck, and started shooting the crap out of it. I'm sure none of the bashers would voice any objections to that. Jay |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:14:09 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That trooper might be out of the hospital but that doesn’t mean he’s fine. I’d bet his back and neck are fucked for life. Maybe not, depending on what air bags deployed. I did a wreck where the vehicle ( a Ford Fusion ) did just about what the Trooper's car did, and all 4 occupants walked away,,, no medical attention required. Jay |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:17:28 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the guy had pulled over, taken his ticket, he would still be alive. He is responsible for the outcome. His actions alone permitted the trooper to what he did. Just stop it: You're talking crazy. Jay |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:18:54 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: he did end it! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He could have just ended the chase. he did end it!  Jay |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:22:30 AM EST
[#43]
Would have ended fine if the dipshit.cop would.have hit the brakes after the maneuver to get separation from the truck
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:22:37 AM EST
[#44]
Probably ill-advised, but...I'm not too broken up over the outcome.
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:22:58 AM EST
[#45]
Well done with a happy ending...
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:23:58 AM EST
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:27:09 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cop's ok, bad guy dead, he's got a great story, and video to back it up. Yep. No civilians hurt except the guy that needed it. Scratch one telephone pole and one patrol car. Works for me. Carry on. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:30:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Extra points for taking down both poles He nailed the 7-10 split! 
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:35:57 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cop's ok, bad guy dead, he's got a great story, and video to back it up. This. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:41:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Found a thin blue liner... Just curious, what do you do for a living? |
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