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Posted: 9/26/2023 3:59:05 PM EDT
[#1]
Quoted: https://torontosun.com/news/national/warmington-poland-starting-extradition-process- In reaction to a former Nazi soldier who served in a unit responsible for the death of thousands of Polish citizens during the Second World War being cheered in Canada’s Parliament, Poland has begun the process to extradite the 98-year-old. With appeals, that process could drag on for years and years. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 3:59:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:01:58 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At what point do they start digging them up to prosecute? there's precedent . |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:03:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: his unit burnt thousands of civilians alive. but hey he didn't run the gas chambers so fuck his unit's victims. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This. Im not an expert on WWII military or anything, BUT id assume that it being 2023, and this guy being 98 years old means he was born 1925. , So he was 20 years odl when teh war ended. I cant imagine he had much control over the course of events, i mean he would have been a private, or PFC, or wharever the germans called that rank. Now if he was like "hey LT, we can improve teh efficiency of the ovens by doing XYZ, thus letting us kill XYZ MORE deplorables... " then sure. his unit burnt thousands of civilians alive. but hey he didn't run the gas chambers so fuck his unit's victims. I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:03:35 PM EDT
[#5]
Now, where are the rest of the Nazis? Canada needs to cough them up.
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:03:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link doesn't work. Updated link |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:05:23 PM EDT
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Good . Hold him accountable regardless of his age . If it looks bad for the Canadians ...even better .
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:05:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Fake demons" meaning "Fake issue". Ze Nazis were entirely and completely defeated in 1945. Every last one was Dead, imprisoned, forgiven, or in hiding. My dad was alive for it, but very few remain, who were. His dad, actually fought real live Nazis. This modern focus on Nazi-terror is beyond ridiculous, when there are people like Putin and supporters literally murdering people wholesale Today, at this very moment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a manufactured drama. Don't fall for it. Don't perpetuate it. The ex-Nazi is 98 years old-soon to be dead. All the other Nazis are long gone. This is an Ex-Issue. Today, the world has the same evil of Putinism to confront. We don't need to dredge up fake demons, when we have real live/real time demons who need to be stopped. Disagree . War crimes are war crimes . And I don't believe there is a time limit on prosecutions for war crimes . It is not an Ex issue . The old bastard should not go to his grave being glorified . He is not a fake demon as you say . gd "Fake demons" meaning "Fake issue". Ze Nazis were entirely and completely defeated in 1945. Every last one was Dead, imprisoned, forgiven, or in hiding. My dad was alive for it, but very few remain, who were. His dad, actually fought real live Nazis. This modern focus on Nazi-terror is beyond ridiculous, when there are people like Putin and supporters literally murdering people wholesale Today, at this very moment. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:06:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me. maybe if the Jews or Polish people attacked Germany and declared war on them it would have been similar. bombing cities was pretty standard warfare at the time. rounding up civilians and burning them to death was not. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This. Im not an expert on WWII military or anything, BUT id assume that it being 2023, and this guy being 98 years old means he was born 1925. , So he was 20 years odl when teh war ended. I cant imagine he had much control over the course of events, i mean he would have been a private, or PFC, or wharever the germans called that rank. Now if he was like "hey LT, we can improve teh efficiency of the ovens by doing XYZ, thus letting us kill XYZ MORE deplorables... " then sure. his unit burnt thousands of civilians alive. but hey he didn't run the gas chambers so fuck his unit's victims. I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:09:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't believe in using a 98 year old man as a political pawn just to spite people I don't like. They'd have to show me his crime(s) first. Just out of curiosity, do you think your grandfather would have held the same view? |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:10:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1-he's a Nazi 2-it embarrasses Trudeau What's not to like? Not just a nazi but an SS member. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi LoL... the old timer wasn't a "Nazi". Fighting for Ukraine in WW2, in the 1st Galician Div (14th SS Div), doesn't mean he was a Nazi party member nor does it mean he supported their party ideals. The guy was fighting for his homeland against the Soviets (no further explanation needed). Also, FWIW, it was far easier for foreign nationals to fight in the SS, usually in their own representative unit, than to join the Wehrmacht (the German military had a lot of red tape). Furthermore, the 14th SS Div was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. So while your statement may pertain to legit members of the brainwashed National Socialist German Workers Party... it doesn't pertain here. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:11:24 PM EDT
[#15]
Polish.
Fuck em! |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Furthermore, the 14th SS Div was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. lol whut? since when has rounding up civilians and burning them alive not been a war crime? before war crimes were even a thing? |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:13:08 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a manufactured drama. Don't fall for it. Don't perpetuate it. The ex-Nazi is 98 years old-soon to be dead. All the other Nazis are long gone. This is an Ex-Issue. Today, the world has the same evil of Putinism to confront. We don't need to dredge up fake demons, when we have real live/real time demons who need to be stopped.  |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:13:27 PM EDT
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This will end up in court if they fight extradition, and it will in the media for months. This isn't going to go away soon.
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:14:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a manufactured drama. Don’t fall for it. Don’t perpetuate it. The ex-Nazi is 98 years old-soon to be dead. All the other Nazis are long gone. This is an Ex-Issue. Today, the world has the same evil of Putinism to confront. We don’t need to dredge up fake demons, when we have real live/real time demons who need to be stopped.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:15:25 PM EDT
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If Canada refuses, does this force Trudeau to protect an SS member?
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:15:25 PM EDT
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Life's hard when you're a Canadian nazi.
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: maybe if the Jews or Polish people attacked Germany and declared war on them it would have been similar. bombing cities was pretty standard warfare at the time. rounding up civilians and burning them to death was not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me. maybe if the Jews or Polish people attacked Germany and declared war on them it would have been similar. bombing cities was pretty standard warfare at the time. rounding up civilians and burning them to death was not. So it's ok as long as you do it on a much larger scale from colossal formations of aircraft? Makes sense. 
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At what point do they start digging them up to prosecute? Spanish Civil War style? |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:17:47 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi Keep that same energy for all the commies that are still alive and free.  No one who says shit like that (outside of like 2% of people who are hardcore ancap lolbertarians) actually holds commies to the same standard. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:19:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't care how old he is. He should spend the last moments of his life in a cage Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a manufactured drama. Don't fall for it. Don't perpetuate it. The ex-Nazi is 98 years old-soon to be dead. All the other Nazis are long gone. This is an Ex-Issue. Today, the world has the same evil of Putinism to confront. We don't need to dredge up fake demons, when we have real live/real time demons who need to be stopped. Why? He killed commies. Give him another medal. If you hate that then you're probably a communist sympathizer. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm amazed at the overlap of UkeBros and people against this extradition.  Interesting isn't it. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:19:21 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't care how old he is. He should spend the last moments of his life in a cage Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a manufactured drama. Don't fall for it. Don't perpetuate it. The ex-Nazi is 98 years old-soon to be dead. All the other Nazis are long gone. This is an Ex-Issue. Today, the world has the same evil of Putinism to confront. We don't need to dredge up fake demons, when we have real live/real time demons who need to be stopped. Or at the end of a rope. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it's ok as long as you do it on a much larger scale from colossal formations of aircraft? Makes sense. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif bombing cities in air raids was a commonly accepted warfare practice of the time. rounding up minority civilians, putting them in barns and houses, and burning them to death was not. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:20:11 PM EDT
[#29]
Gonna have to start digging them up for a second hanging soon
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:20:44 PM EDT
[#30]
Sounds like Poland is sick of Ukraine’s games. Maybe Poland knows something we don’t. I’m not a hater of some foreigners that served in the Waffen SS, I worked with a few SS veterans and sons in Belgium, and while almost all were volunteers, Belgian And most Western volunteers signed an agreement that they would only fight Russians, and not the Western powers.
I’m not educated enough to know why Ukrainian SS were killing Poles and Jews, but I do know that the Poles had to forgive other Poles that worked for the Soviets. Before anyone bans me, my family is from Poland, and while Im not Jewish, we have Ashkenazi DNA. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:21:56 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol whut? since when has rounding up civilians and burning them alive not been a war crime? before war crimes were even a thing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Furthermore, the 14th SS Div was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. lol whut? since when has rounding up civilians and burning them alive not been a war crime? before war crimes were even a thing? If you, and the other knee jerkers like you, ever actually researched WW2 history and learned a thing or two, you'd understand there was a difference between the Nazi party, Allgemeine/general SS (party enforcers), Waffen-SS (military), and even foreign Waffen-SS units. As I already stated, the 1st Galician (14th SS Div) was NOT party driven. It was made up of mostly Ukrainian volunteers and some Slovaks and Poles, who desired to fight for the homelands against the Soviets. Again... the 14th SS Division was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity unlike other SS and Wehrmacht units. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:22:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: maybe if the Jews or Polish people attacked Germany and declared war on them it would have been similar. bombing cities was pretty standard warfare at the time. rounding up civilians and burning them to death was not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me. maybe if the Jews or Polish people attacked Germany and declared war on them it would have been similar. bombing cities was pretty standard warfare at the time. rounding up civilians and burning them to death was not. Yeah pretty standard stuff huh. I hope all Allied aircrews who participated in strategic bombing got right with God before they passed, that would weigh heavy on my soul. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:23:48 PM EDT
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In a speech to the soldiers of the 1st Galician division, Heinrich Himmler stated: Your homeland has become so much more beautiful since you have lost – on our initiative, I must say – those residents who were so often a dirty blemish on Galicia's good name, namely the Jews ... I know that if I ordered you to liquidate the Poles ... I would be giving you permission to do what you are eager to do anyway. definitely nothing like other Nazi's. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:23:50 PM EDT
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On the one hand, I don't see why there would be a statute of limitations on such heinous crimes.
On the other hand - how old was he when these crimes were perpetuated? Was he even an adult? Minors put into service by an authoritarian regime seems like the kind of thing that need to be left behind. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:24:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep that same energy for all the commies that are still alive and free. No one who says shit like that (outside of like 2% of people who are hardcore ancap lolbertarians) actually holds commies to the same standard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi Keep that same energy for all the commies that are still alive and free. No one who says shit like that (outside of like 2% of people who are hardcore ancap lolbertarians) actually holds commies to the same standard. I feel the same way about nazis as I do with commies. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:24:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: bombing cities in air raids was a commonly accepted warfare practice of the time. rounding up minority civilians, putting them in barns and houses, and burning them to death was not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So it's ok as long as you do it on a much larger scale from colossal formations of aircraft? Makes sense. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif bombing cities in air raids was a commonly accepted warfare practice of the time. rounding up minority civilians, putting them in barns and houses, and burning them to death was not. So civilians of the ethnic majority of a territory would be ok? You're using leftoid shibboleths without understanding the implications. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:25:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi This. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:25:30 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not just a nazi but an SS member. There’s a former SS officer buried in Arlington. I’d like to know more about this particular guy and how many Soviets he killed, before celebrating his extradition. In the meantime, fuck Trudeau. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just out of curiosity, do you think your grandfather would have held the same view? |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:26:01 PM EDT
[#40]
This guy was a Banderist Ukrainian. guess Poland agrees with denazification.
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:26:06 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like Poland is sick of Ukraine’s games. Maybe Poland knows something we don’t. I’m not a hater of some foreigners that served in the Waffen SS, I worked with a few SS veterans and sons in Belgium, and while almost all were volunteers, Belgian And most Western volunteers signed an agreement that they would only fight Russians, and not the Western powers. I’m not educated enough to know why Ukrainian SS were killing Poles and Jews, but I do know that the Poles had to forgive other Poles that worked for the Soviets. Before anyone bans me, my family is from Poland, and while Im not Jewish, we have Ashkenazi DNA. Many of the lower ranking concentration camp guards were Ukranian and Lithuanian. They were called the "Trawniki men," or in German: "Trawnikimänner." Please brother, read up on all this. You may have some history in your past that intersects it. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:26:26 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel the same way about nazis as I do with commies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi Keep that same energy for all the commies that are still alive and free. No one who says shit like that (outside of like 2% of people who are hardcore ancap lolbertarians) actually holds commies to the same standard. I feel the same way about nazis as I do with commies. I will say that actual Poles are one of the few peoples that I would say have the right to say "I hate Nazis and Commies Equally" with an unironic straight face and mean every damn bit of it down to their very core. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:27:01 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This. Im not an expert on WWII military or anything, BUT id assume that it being 2023, and this guy being 98 years old means he was born 1925. , So he was 20 years odl when teh war ended. I cant imagine he had much control over the course of events, i mean he would have been a private, or PFC, or wharever the germans called that rank. Now if he was like "hey LT, we can improve teh efficiency of the ovens by doing XYZ, thus letting us kill XYZ MORE deplorables... " then sure. his unit burnt thousands of civilians alive. but hey he didn't run the gas chambers so fuck his unit's victims. I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me. You are only a war criminal if you are on the losing side. Everyone knows that, get with the program. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:27:16 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So civilians of the ethnic majority of a territory would be ok? You're using leftoid shibboleths without understanding the implications. i'm not the one in here trying to downplay/whitewash this Nazi. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:28:16 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't really care about 90% of the drama but I am damn sure enjoying Trudeau and Snow Mexico being embarrassed on the international stage. Freakin' Nazi Canucks.... |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:28:34 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: bombing cities in air raids was a commonly accepted warfare practice of the time. rounding up minority civilians, putting them in barns and houses, and burning them to death was not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So it's ok as long as you do it on a much larger scale from colossal formations of aircraft? Makes sense. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif bombing cities in air raids was a commonly accepted warfare practice of the time. rounding up minority civilians, putting them in barns and houses, and burning them to death was not. You said that already. I was pointing out the absurdity of the distinction. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:30:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are only a war criminal if you are on the losing side. Everyone knows that, get with the program. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This. Im not an expert on WWII military or anything, BUT id assume that it being 2023, and this guy being 98 years old means he was born 1925. , So he was 20 years odl when teh war ended. I cant imagine he had much control over the course of events, i mean he would have been a private, or PFC, or wharever the germans called that rank. Now if he was like "hey LT, we can improve teh efficiency of the ovens by doing XYZ, thus letting us kill XYZ MORE deplorables... " then sure. his unit burnt thousands of civilians alive. but hey he didn't run the gas chambers so fuck his unit's victims. I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me. You are only a war criminal if you are on the losing side. Everyone knows that, get with the program. This guy gets it. It's also not a war crime for the victor to then exact retribution on his enemies as long as he does it through the charade of a show trial. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:30:21 PM EDT
[#48]
I am just here to see how our Uke fan bois cheerleaders deal with this?
This puts them in a weird spot and I can't wait to see which direction they cheer. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:30:30 PM EDT
[#49]
something smells.... the old guy was rather stupid to not remain the gray man, and whomever found him and aligned him to be there sure new how this would go.
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:30:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i'm not the one in here trying to downplay this Nazi. Meh. He fought for the “wrong” side in the global sense, it may have made sense to him in local geopolitical context. If he was killing commies, then he was at least killing the “right” people. |
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