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Posted: 1/18/2023 7:33:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was sitting here thinking how a polar bear got loose in Wales (UK). Then I read the article. Didn’t know there was a Wales, Alaska. Same. Only reason I clicked the thread. If it had said Alaska I would have just figured "par for the course" and scrolled on. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 7:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, Alaska Commercial (I used to contract to do work for them my buddy still does it now) used to carry piles of firearms and ammo, they always stocked the common stuff people wanted plus a lot of "new" cartridge/firearms..Alaska commercial had been one of the biggest fur trading stores/company in Alaska, even back when it was all Russian land/country/stores....There is a long list of big companies that were from the Alaska commercial banner such as kohls, Nordstroms, bagdad tires....NC machinery..and many more... |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 7:34:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 9 has not nor has ever been, a death ray do all. But if you want a 9 to use against the apex predator, then go on ahead. People have killed bears using 22LR, you going to switch to that instead or is common sense that just because you can never meant that you always should ring a bell? YMMV, but in apex territory lol, no. I have a safe full of 9's and would still walk into the nearest FFL and get the right gun with the right caliber for the right job. But in a sense you are right, a 9 would be better than nothing at all...until I found a shop with a 10mm G20 and hopefully in Gen 5. Quote HistoryQuoted: 9 has not nor has ever been, a death ray do all. But if you want a 9 to use against the apex predator, then go on ahead. People have killed bears using 22LR, you going to switch to that instead or is common sense that just because you can never meant that you always should ring a bell? YMMV, but in apex territory lol, no. I have a safe full of 9's and would still walk into the nearest FFL and get the right gun with the right caliber for the right job. But in a sense you are right, a 9 would be better than nothing at all...until I found a shop with a 10mm G20 and hopefully in Gen 5. https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/ Summary for the know calibers: 9mm – seven documented cases, all successful .38 Special – four documented cases, three successful, one failure .357 magnum – nine documented cases, eight successful, one failure .40 S&W – five documented cases, all successful 10mm – six documented cases, all successful .44 magnum – 37 documented cases, all successful .45 Long Colt – 2 cases, successful, this includes the .45 Colt/.410 revolver.. I'd suggest getting hits on the bear is the main priority. I don't think 9mm is the optimal choice but it would be better then some magnum you can't shoot well. A well set up 10 is probably the best choice. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 7:48:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think people sometimes forget that Polar Bears are the only truly carnivorous bear. Most other bears (including Grizzlies) are omnivores and seem to mostly eat plants (with some estimates as high as 90% of their diet), and only occasionally eat meat. Polar bears are apparently considered "hyper-carnivorus" and eat almost no plant material at all. Plus, they actively hunt for most of their food - meaning that hunting/stalking is an ingrained behavior. For most other bears, hunting is a very occasional thing, with foraging being the main source of food. I wouldn't want to be chased by ANY large angry bear  - but the polar bear definitely seems to be the most potentially dangerous to man. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:30:53 PM EDT
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Well, there apparently were polar bears in Scotland at one point:
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12471338.40-000-year-old-bear-found-scotlands-longest-cave/ |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/ Summary for the know calibers: I'd suggest getting hits on the bear is the main priority. I don't think 9mm is the optimal choice but it would be better then some magnum you can't shoot well. A well set up 10 is probably the best choice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 9 has not nor has ever been, a death ray do all. But if you want a 9 to use against the apex predator, then go on ahead. People have killed bears using 22LR, you going to switch to that instead or is common sense that just because you can never meant that you always should ring a bell? YMMV, but in apex territory lol, no. I have a safe full of 9's and would still walk into the nearest FFL and get the right gun with the right caliber for the right job. But in a sense you are right, a 9 would be better than nothing at all...until I found a shop with a 10mm G20 and hopefully in Gen 5. https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/ Summary for the know calibers: 9mm – seven documented cases, all successful .38 Special – four documented cases, three successful, one failure .357 magnum – nine documented cases, eight successful, one failure .40 S&W – five documented cases, all successful 10mm – six documented cases, all successful .44 magnum – 37 documented cases, all successful .45 Long Colt – 2 cases, successful, this includes the .45 Colt/.410 revolver.. I'd suggest getting hits on the bear is the main priority. I don't think 9mm is the optimal choice but it would be better then some magnum you can't shoot well. A well set up 10 is probably the best choice. Last time I looked through that some of the failures showed no evidence of hitting the animal. 2 hits in the A zone at 7 yards with 270gr bullet at 950fps.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, there apparently were polar bears in Scotland at one point: https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12471338.40-000-year-old-bear-found-scotlands-longest-cave/ Did I miss where it said it was from a polar bear? |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:55:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/ Summary for the know calibers: I'd suggest getting hits on the bear is the main priority. I don't think 9mm is the optimal choice but it would be better then some magnum you can't shoot well. A well set up 10 is probably the best choice. Getting hits on anything is always the priority regardless of what caliber, magnums were not the topic though so that argument isn't the case. So back to 10mm we go because the topic is about bears to defend against. Do it right the first time and choose wisely. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:01:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of my all time favorite Larsen cartoons:  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/413035/c035d992ffad42758edcf464fe7e702a_jpg-2676814.JPG |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:01:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kato is from Wales... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105802/urWYOz7-2369852.jpg but Stoya killed the bear. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105802/download-2069573.jpg id munch either one or both at the same time |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:14:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last time I looked through that some of the failures showed no evidence of hitting the animal. 2 hits in the A zone at 7 yards with 270gr bullet at 950fps. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20230118_135032_jpg-2677223.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 9 has not nor has ever been, a death ray do all. But if you want a 9 to use against the apex predator, then go on ahead. People have killed bears using 22LR, you going to switch to that instead or is common sense that just because you can never meant that you always should ring a bell? YMMV, but in apex territory lol, no. I have a safe full of 9's and would still walk into the nearest FFL and get the right gun with the right caliber for the right job. But in a sense you are right, a 9 would be better than nothing at all...until I found a shop with a 10mm G20 and hopefully in Gen 5. https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/ Summary for the know calibers: 9mm seven documented cases, all successful .38 Special four documented cases, three successful, one failure .357 magnum nine documented cases, eight successful, one failure .40 S&W five documented cases, all successful 10mm six documented cases, all successful .44 magnum 37 documented cases, all successful .45 Long Colt 2 cases, successful, this includes the .45 Colt/.410 revolver.. I'd suggest getting hits on the bear is the main priority. I don't think 9mm is the optimal choice but it would be better then some magnum you can't shoot well. A well set up 10 is probably the best choice. Last time I looked through that some of the failures showed no evidence of hitting the animal. 2 hits in the A zone at 7 yards with 270gr bullet at 950fps. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20230118_135032_jpg-2677223.JPG |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC she was being followed, and looped around to ambush it, and put multiple rounds through the ear. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is a real story of a Canadian trapper, female, who took down a grizzly with a single shot .22lr. The bear charged her and she waited till it was close enough to fire her shot, right in the eye. Dropped the son of bitch, too. Most people would shit themselves in that situation. Self included. IIRC she was being followed, and looped around to ambush it, and put multiple rounds through the ear. If we're talking about Bella Twin; yes, it wasn't charging her. It was sniffing around but coming closer. She knew exactly where to shoot it in the head. Single shot .22 Long IIRC. Not even .22LR. https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/bella-twin-the-22-used-to-take-the-1953-world-record-grizzly-and-more/#axzz7qnnjRDWf |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:22:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How common is it that they venture that close to a town ? Once there is it illegal to shoot it after it has chased several people ? Not often. The problem is that polar bears have no other competition, and thus, act as an apex predeator does./quote] Polar bears are always coming into villages in coastal AK. Regular patrols are done. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 12:04:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I miss where it said it was from a polar bear? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, there apparently were polar bears in Scotland at one point: https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12471338.40-000-year-old-bear-found-scotlands-longest-cave/ Did I miss where it said it was from a polar bear? Oops- distracted posting! I was looking at this article https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/mystery-of-the-polar-bear-whose-remains-were-found-in-scotland-793145.html This article references a polar bear, and appears to be more recent (when the bones were deposited). You are correct that the first article indicates some uncertainty as to the exact species of bear in that find. |
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