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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:11:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Google. Most of the time Google only gets you close and most of the time the house numbers can't be seen. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:12:11 PM EST
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Officers do not want my address to be the wrong address they break into. All of them would be taken out in body bags. Idiots
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:12:14 PM EST
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Never go somewhere with a gun that you wouldn't go without a gun?
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:13:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not LE. Obviously. Now...outside of the ghetto how likely is an officer really likely to be fired upon by a rural or suburban home resident? I'm not talking about an active warrant for a felonious individual. In other words, if a marked police car pulled up to a rural home in the country what % do you think they are going to take fire from that home? Why are the officers always so on edge and ready to engage? Your chances of being shot at while responding to a DV call are likely higher than most other calls. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:15:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Officers do not want my address to be the wrong address they break into. All of them would be taken out in body bags. Idiots FFS 
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:17:37 PM EST
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Living out in the sticks a half mile behind an automatic gate has certain advantages.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:17:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're chances of being shot at while responding to a DV call are likely higher than most other calls. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not LE. Obviously. Now...outside of the ghetto how likely is an officer really likely to be fired upon by a rural or suburban home resident? I'm not talking about an active warrant for a felonious individual. In other words, if a marked police car pulled up to a rural home in the country what % do you think they are going to take fire from that home? Why are the officers always so on edge and ready to engage? You're chances of being shot at while responding to a DV call are likely higher than most other calls. I understand that and have heard as much but what exactly does higher mean? I have a higher chance of getting into an accident when the temp are below zero but the chance is extremely low if I pay attention. Certainly not high enough to be ready to ram other drivers preemptively. How much higher? 1000 DV calls how many will involve shots fired at officers? ETA and yes Ive seen the vid of the traffic stop where the guy comes out of nowhere with an axe and the cop would have been fucked if his head wasn't on a swivel...but that HAS to be the exception. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:20:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doubt it....youre likely to see them starting with guns holstered You're super quick to give cops the benefit of the doubt, while a body they killed is sitting in the morgue. You're a tbl fanboi arent ya? Punisher sticker on your truck? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:20:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, there is just NO pleasing you guys! The cops in Uvalde don't shoot? You complain. These cops DO shoot? You complain.  |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:22:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Living out in the sticks a half mile behind an automatic gate has certain advantages. Didn't turn out well for David Koresh. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:23:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The idea that arfcom thinks it's a good idea to answer a door with a gun pointed towards the person at the door is fucking MIND BLOWING. Who pointed a gun? Tell us, please. We know the cop did. He also pulled the trigger and killed the guy. Tell us what you know. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:23:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who pointed a gun? Tell us, please. We know the cop did. He also pulled the trigger and killed the guy. Tell us what you know. The hint is in the post I quoted. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:24:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if you can't see the difference, there's no help for you Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Man, there is just NO pleasing you guys! The cops in Uvalde don't shoot? You complain. These cops DO shoot? You complain. If you didn't understand the joke, maybe GD is not for you. 
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:29:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The hint is in the post I quoted. You're wrong about all of this. Ever single part. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:30:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t look out a window either. That’ll get you killed too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Atatiana_Jefferson Lot of good it does you when you’re dead that the cop got convicted of manslaughter. Don’t answer the door. But if you do, make sure you check with cameras prior to answering and make sure you have no visible weapons. That’s kinda hard to do when cops are making a habit of knocking them off the house when they approach. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:33:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you didn't understand the joke, maybe GD is not for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Man, there is just NO pleasing you guys! The cops in Uvalde don't shoot? You complain. These cops DO shoot? You complain. If you didn't understand the joke, maybe GD is not for you. Emoji confusion happens to all of us .  Read the article, cop was dumb and had to get it on apparently. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:42:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're super quick to give cops the benefit of the doubt, while a body they killed is sitting in the morgue. You're a tbl fanboi arent ya? Punisher sticker on your truck?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:43:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're wrong about all of this. Ever single part. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The hint is in the post I quoted. You're wrong about all of this. Ever single part. He's assuming that a flashlight being on means it's pointed at someone. He's assuming a lot of things. I think the government has spent decades demonstrating we can't trust them without verifying. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:45:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s kinda hard to do when cops are making a habit of knocking them off the house when they approach. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don’t look out a window either. That’ll get you killed too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Atatiana_Jefferson Lot of good it does you when you’re dead that the cop got convicted of manslaughter. Don’t answer the door. But if you do, make sure you check with cameras prior to answering and make sure you have no visible weapons. That’s kinda hard to do when cops are making a habit of knocking them off the house when they approach. Good point, I suppose if the cameras are suddenly not working that I’m posting up in a secure position. If somebody comes through the door there’s going to be a mean gun battle. Hopefully in the meantime I can playback the last video before the camera was disabled and get dispatch on the phone to see if Chief Wiggum’s boys are the ones outside and they don’t do something stupid like trying to come in (without triple checking the address). I’m curious how this NM situation would have worked out had the victim not opened the door at all. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:47:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FFS Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Officers do not want my address to be the wrong address they break into. All of them would be taken out in body bags. Idiots FFS @ncpatrolar While I might not always agree with you - of all the police who post here, you do seem the more knowledgable and common sensical. As I recall from other threads, you are well versed in the limitations of QI. In this scenario - IF the officers were given the correct # by despatch and they misread the # of the house - would that mistake / negligence prevent them availing of qualified immunity ? And what are your thoughts on "Officer created peril" ? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:48:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's assuming that a flashlight being on means it's pointed at someone. He's assuming a lot of things. I think the government has spent decades demonstrating we can't trust them without verifying. Lol yeah, turn off interior lights then backlight and highlight yourself with a weapon mounted light pointed at the ground, right? You're on another planet. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:50:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @ncpatrolar While I might not always agree with you - of all the police who post here, you do seem the more knowledgable and common sensical. As I recall from other threads, you are well versed in the limitations of QI. In this scenario - IF the officers were given the correct # by despatch and theymisread the # of the house - would that mistake / negligence prevent them availing of qualified immunity ? And what are your thoughts on "Officer created peril" ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Officers do not want my address to be the wrong address they break into. All of them would be taken out in body bags. Idiots FFS @ncpatrolar While I might not always agree with you - of all the police who post here, you do seem the more knowledgable and common sensical. As I recall from other threads, you are well versed in the limitations of QI. In this scenario - IF the officers were given the correct # by despatch and theymisread the # of the house - would that mistake / negligence prevent them availing of qualified immunity ? And what are your thoughts on "Officer created peril" ? I agree with this poster and do not want to create the impression a gotcha moment is being looked for. It isn’t. This stuff is really happening and needs to stop. Who to blame in this particular incident appears obvious but what I believe is everyone is way way way to ready to shoot. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:50:35 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m curious how this NM situation would have worked out had the victim not opened the door at all. Doors get kicked and the same result? I suspect the mentality is that only blue squad can be scared and make mistakes. The public with no training and facing the same threats is supposed to know that. The most basic LE step of even responding to the right address, gets glossed over rather quickly. We had a call, opens way too many doors. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:05:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol yeah, turn off interior lights then backlight and highlight yourself with a weapon mounted light pointed at the ground, right? You're on another planet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's assuming that a flashlight being on means it's pointed at someone. He's assuming a lot of things. I think the government has spent decades demonstrating we can't trust them without verifying. Lol yeah, turn off interior lights then backlight and highlight yourself with a weapon mounted light pointed at the ground, right? You're on another planet. Yeah, and you are reading a lot into what I interpret as a technical typo. Bottom line, agents of the government showed up at an uninvolved house and killed an innocent homeowner who did nothing wrong. Bottom line, I will (and have) asked people in uniform what's going on, and it's been the wrong address, at which point they have said something about "fuck, lemme get back with dispatch," at which point I watch to make sure they leave. Because normal cops don't ventilate innocent homeowners just for having a gun, and we as a society need to be very vigilant to not permit that to happen. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:07:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doors get kicked and the same result? I suspect the mentality is that only blue squad can be scared and make mistakes. The public with no training and facing the same threats is supposed to know that. The most basic LE step of even responding to the right address, gets glossed over rather quickly. We had a call, opens way too many doors. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m curious how this NM situation would have worked out had the victim not opened the door at all. Doors get kicked and the same result? I suspect the mentality is that only blue squad can be scared and make mistakes. The public with no training and facing the same threats is supposed to know that. The most basic LE step of even responding to the right address, gets glossed over rather quickly. We had a call, opens way too many doors. Benefit of the doubt is (should be, at least) on the general public, not on the side of trained government agents. Ignorance of the law is no defense ring any bells? They want to shock and awe someone? They hold all the cards, they get to make sure the right thing happens. They had BETTER be able to control the situation they caused. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:40:26 PM EST
[#26]
You guys greatly overestimate how often doors get kicked in and why.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:41:23 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Brandishing a firearm in a threatening manner which is different than merely holding it. Pointing (aiming) the firearm which is more serious than mere brandishing and is a form of assault. Shooting the firearm. This is cop creative writing.... Even if it's shown he didn't point the gun at anyone, there will be no punishment for the lie, so why not just write it... |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:43:34 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys greatly overestimate how often doors get kicked in and why. Well that's what you guy are here for to let us know! |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:45:05 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nowhere in that post does he say he's pointing a gun at the person at the door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: But it was the wrong address. 11:30 at night, I am answering the door with a gun at the ready with the weapon light on and interior lights off. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/stfu-big-1-37.jpg The idea that arfcom thinks it's a good idea to answer a door with a gun pointed towards the person at the door is fucking MIND BLOWING. Nowhere in that post does he say he's pointing a gun at the person at the door. For several pages people have been arguing it’s perfectly fine to point a gun at someone for knocking on your door at night. We do not know if the deceased owner did so. But many are arguing if he did the cops are still not justified in shooting him. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:46:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @ncpatrolar While I might not always agree with you - of all the police who post here, you do seem the more knowledgable and common sensical. As I recall from other threads, you are well versed in the limitations of QI. In this scenario - IF the officers were given the correct # by despatch and they misread the # of the house - would that mistake / negligence prevent them availing of qualified immunity ? Quote HistoryQuoted: @ncpatrolar While I might not always agree with you - of all the police who post here, you do seem the more knowledgable and common sensical. As I recall from other threads, you are well versed in the limitations of QI. In this scenario - IF the officers were given the correct # by despatch and they misread the # of the house - would that mistake / negligence prevent them availing of qualified immunity ? I appreciate the compliments but QI topics are well outside my lane. And what are your thoughts on "Officer created peril" ? I agree that an officer can’t willfully create his own peril and use that as a means of justifying the use of deadly force. With that being said, knocking on the front door of a residence (even if it’s the wrong address) isn’t an officer creating his own exigency. Creating his own exigency would be like stepping in front of car in an attempt to make the driver stop |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:48:03 PM EST
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Doorbell camera, secondary camera covering the entryway, another on the driveway. I’ll never answer the door at night unless you’re a friendly and I’m expecting you.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:48:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys greatly overestimate how often doors get kicked in and why.  Doesn't have to be doors. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:51:11 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is cop creative writing.... Even if it's shown he didn't point the gun at anyone, there will be no punishment for the lie, so why not just write it... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Brandishing a firearm in a threatening manner which is different than merely holding it. Pointing (aiming) the firearm which is more serious than mere brandishing and is a form of assault. Shooting the firearm. This is cop creative writing.... Even if it's shown he didn't point the gun at anyone, there will be no punishment for the lie, so why not just write it... Which is why the statement only said “armed”, the cops bosses are correctly waiting until the details are known and verified before elaborating on what “armed” meant in this incident. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:54:31 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.postimg.cc/T2HthFDc/ap-la-revenge-killings-truck-16-9.webp Doesn't have to be doors. That's an odd looking gray Nissan |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:59:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's an odd looking gray Nissan Have you ever dealt with newspaper delivery drivers? One cannot be too careful as unless it has a light bar, it is still suspect. I believe there was another incident with a black pickup also. 
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Posted: 4/7/2023 3:01:12 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.postimg.cc/T2HthFDc/ap-la-revenge-killings-truck-16-9.webp Doesn't have to be doors. When the exact question being asked is "would they kick in the door?" then yes...it does have to be doors. But way to do the usual GD schtick of dragging some completely unrelated situation into a thread and trying to make some kind of "point". Swing by the front desk to pick up your hockey helmet and participation prize. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 3:07:10 PM EST
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Posted: 4/7/2023 3:10:27 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand that and have heard as much but what exactly does higher mean? I have a higher chance of getting into an accident when the temp are below zero but the chance is extremely low if I pay attention. Certainly not high enough to be ready to ram other drivers preemptively. How much higher? 1000 DV calls how many will involve shots fired at officers? I'm sure some group has done a research study to compile the numbers you are asking for but I have no clue what they might be. From personal experience and researching various incidents, domestics are without fail the place where you most likely going to see force used/have forced used against you. With that being said; any call you go on call you go on can the be "the call" for you so you have to be ready to go from 0-100 as long as you walking around with the uniform on. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 3:19:08 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: if you can't see the difference, there's no help for you Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Man, there is just NO pleasing you guys! The cops in Uvalde don't shoot? You complain. These cops DO shoot? You complain. You may need to get your meter calibrated. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 3:24:41 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand how cops can't seem to get the right address. I mean the mailman and pizza guy always gets it right, and it's not a life and death situation!! My mailman can't about a quarter of the time. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 3:28:07 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't that get a woman shot by an officer? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sure, because NO WAY would the bad guys yell "police" to get you to open up so they can rob you. So look out a window? Didn't that get a woman shot by an officer? And that was with the dumbass sneaking around her enclosed backyard. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 3:32:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the exact question being asked is "would they kick in the door?" then yes...it does have to be doors. But way to do the usual GD schtick of dragging some completely unrelated situation into a thread and trying to make some kind of "point". Swing by the front desk to pick up your hockey helmet and participation prize. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://i.postimg.cc/T2HthFDc/ap-la-revenge-killings-truck-16-9.webp Doesn't have to be doors. When the exact question being asked is "would they kick in the door?" then yes...it does have to be doors. But way to do the usual GD schtick of dragging some completely unrelated situation into a thread and trying to make some kind of "point". Swing by the front desk to pick up your hockey helmet and participation prize. Awwwww..... did a little JBT get his feewings hurted? What a damn shame. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 3:54:00 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For several pages people have been arguing it’s perfectly fine to point a gun at someone for knocking on your door at night. We do not know if the deceased owner did so. But many are arguing if he did the cops are still not justified in shooting him. Quote HistoryQuoted: For several pages people have been arguing it’s perfectly fine to point a gun at someone for knocking on your door at night. We do not know if the deceased owner did so. But many are arguing if he did the cops are still not justified in shooting him. NO I'm calling that bullshit out. That is YOU trying to make the argument that is it OK to shoot someone that points a gun at you if you knock on their door at 11:30 at night. That wasn't the original argument at all, and in your statement you just combined two different (strawman) positions. I don't think anyone said "perfectly fine"....please quote those that said it along with the context around it. Plus you are leaving a whole lot out "middle" out to get to your position. "Once on scene, officers mistakenly approached 5305 Valley View Avenue instead of 5308 Valley View Avenue," the NMSP said. "Officers knocked on the front door of 5305 Valley View Avenue and announced themselves as Farmington police officers. When there was no answer at 5305, officers asked their dispatch to call the reporting party back and have them come to the front door." "Body camera footage shows as the officers backed away from 5305 Valley View Avenue, the homeowner, Robert Dotson, 52, opened the screen door armed with a handgun. At this point in the encounter, officer(s) fired at least one round from their duty weapon(s) striking Mr. Dotson," police said. From what we know, the homeowner did not originally answer the door (for those saying they should not have answered the door). It does not say that the deceased pointed a gun at them (maybe he did, maybe he didn't). It sure does not say that the deceased fired first. Being that the wife didn't realize they were police, it sure SEEMS like the deceased opened the door and got popped. Did a cop yell "gun" and open up? BTW, I'm not even mad at the police for being skittish on a DV call. But I am mad at those trying to defend this shooting making it the homeowners fault. When the police started backing away, that is when the home owner opened the door, and was killed. Was their no conversation? That is where the whole "aiming/pointing" argument falls apart. IF the homeowner had a gun pointed the police, did the cops attempt to de-escalate the situation? IF the homeowner had a gun pointed at the police, they must be pretty quick on the draw (and accurate) to kill the homeowner before he could shoot them....or did they have their guns already drawn (since it was a DV call)? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 3:56:44 PM EST
[#44]
Fuck those cops, and anyone defending their actions.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 4:07:00 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NO I'm calling that bullshit out. That is YOU trying to make the argument that is it OK to shoot someone that points a gun at you if you knock on their door at 11:30 at night. That wasn't the original argument at all, and in your statement you just combined two different (strawman) positions. I don't think anyone said "perfectly fine"....please quote those that said it along with the context around it. Plus you are leaving a whole lot out "middle" out to get to your position. From what we know, the homeowner did not originally answer the door (for those saying they should not have answered the door). It does not say that the deceased pointed a gun at them (maybe he did, maybe he didn't). It sure does not say that the deceased fired first. Being that the wife didn't realize they were police, it sure SEEMS like the deceased opened the door and got popped. Did a cop yell "gun" and open up? BTW, I'm not even mad at the police for being skittish on a DV call. But I am mad at those trying to defend this shooting making it the homeowners fault. When the police started backing away, that is when the home owner opened the door, and was killed. Was their no conversation? That is where the whole "aiming/pointing" argument falls apart. IF the homeowner had a gun pointed the police, did the cops attempt to de-escalate the situation? IF the homeowner had a gun pointed at the police, they must be pretty quick on the draw (and accurate) to kill the homeowner before he could shoot them....or did they have their guns already drawn (since it was a DV call)? +1. I would only add the point of identifying themselves as well if the officers were backing off when the homeowner opened the door. The body cams will answer a lot of questions. My biggest hangup is 2 officers, regardless of the call, not even confirming the address. If DV calls are so dangerous and the mindset is in place before arrival, close doesn't count. They better damn well be where they are supposed to be. That is the single major failure that led to this tragedy. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 4:07:33 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're super quick to give cops the benefit of the doubt, while a body they killed is sitting in the morgue. You're a tbl fanboi arent ya? Punisher sticker on your truck? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Doubt it....youre likely to see them starting with guns holstered You're super quick to give cops the benefit of the doubt, while a body they killed is sitting in the morgue. You're a tbl fanboi arent ya? Punisher sticker on your truck? Pretty sure he's a cop. Lots of them are posting in this thread. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 4:12:03 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand how cops can't seem to get the right address. I mean the mailman and pizza guy always gets it right, and it's not a life and death situation!! Doordash delivery people can't find my address 50% of the time. 
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Posted: 4/7/2023 4:14:03 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doordash delivery people can't find my address 50% of the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't understand how cops can't seem to get the right address. I mean the mailman and pizza guy always gets it right, and it's not a life and death situation!! Doordash delivery people can't find my address 50% of the time. Good thing they don't shoot people when they deliver to the incorrect address. And then investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrong. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 4:16:02 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing they don't shoot people when they deliver to the incorrect address. And then investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrong. One time the Doordash delivery chick drove around multiple times and ended up delivering my order at the wrong address. That is far worse than shooting someone. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 4:19:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah! You know that it's not a criminal pretending to be the police, because THAT would be illegal. Call 911 and ask if the police are at your address. Do what the Dispatcher tells you. Pretty simple. |
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