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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:14:16 AM EST
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You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. So should the office of the POTUS. FBHO. ETA: If he wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. He is a head-of-state too Not mine. He should mind his own business. I think he meant that the Pope is King of Vatican City Yep, I get it. It doesn't help the case for respect, and it doesn't give him a voice in how we should run our country. It's none of his business. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:21:07 AM EST
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He is the leader of a country. Maybe that's why. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. So should the office of the POTUS. FBHO. ETA: If he wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. He is the leader of a country. Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why what? Every country has a leader. Do you respect them all? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:23:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, cite. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Someone said they had never heard of the criticisms of her. I gave a general overview. I could give 2 shits if you like that overview. The post wasn't for you. I think she was a good woman and is worthy of being considered a saint, but others disagree, and they have legitimate issues with her. It is too bad they did away with the devil's advocate in canonizing saints. Issues like these were aired in the past. Again, cite. again I'm not in school, you're not my professor, and if you're not familiar with the changes to canonization, it isn't my job to educate you.  |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:30:13 AM EST
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Saints are not divine, nor does the Church recognize them as divine. You have a very poor understanding of Catholicism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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TRADITIONS need to be measured against the Biblical teaching. If it doesn't align with the scriptures it is wrong. That can become IDOL WORSHIP real easy. When you lift a human up you create an idol. She did nothing special. I have seen many miracles through the years and as far as I know no one received any credit for them. God hears and answers prayers for all his children. Maybe not the way we would like sometimes but he does answer. Saints are not divine, nor does the Church recognize them as divine. You have a very poor understanding of Catholicism. A poor understanding of Catholicism, in GD? Surely you jest! |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:51:35 AM EST
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Why not read my later response to the thread? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval"  Why not just STFU? It's not his border. This one? "He's here to argue the humanitarian standpoint (I don't agree with him). If you truly believe the pope is the most holy man living (debatable. I don't do Catholic superstition despite being raised one), then it would be natural to see all Catholics as his flock. With the astronomical amount of Catholics in Hispanic countries- you could probably argue he is effectively arguing for refugees of his country. He is a head of State as well as a leader in a world organization; politics in this arena goes hand in hand. I don't agree with him, but I certainly won't begrudge the guy for doing what he has to." I understand his reasoning, and he may be perfectly justified in sticking his nose in from a religious point of view. It makes no difference. Our border policy is not a religious issue. It's still none of his business, and he can still fuck off. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:15:21 AM EST
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I would have believed it more if she stood in for an alter boy who was up next to get fucked by some fuck in power.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 10:09:04 AM EST
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I would have believed it more if she stood in for an alter boy who was up next to get fucked by some fuck in power. I always thought if you alter a boy, they turn into a girl. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 10:01:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This one? "He's here to argue the humanitarian standpoint (I don't agree with him). If you truly believe the pope is the most holy man living (debatable. I don't do Catholic superstition despite being raised one), then it would be natural to see all Catholics as his flock. With the astronomical amount of Catholics in Hispanic countries- you could probably argue he is effectively arguing for refugees of his country. He is a head of State as well as a leader in a world organization; politics in this arena goes hand in hand. I don't agree with him, but I certainly won't begrudge the guy for doing what he has to." I understand his reasoning, and he may be perfectly justified in sticking his nose in from a religious point of view. It makes no difference. Our border policy is not a religious issue. It's still none of his business, and he can still fuck off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Originally Posted By J-Pat Why not read my later response to the thread? This one? "He's here to argue the humanitarian standpoint (I don't agree with him). If you truly believe the pope is the most holy man living (debatable. I don't do Catholic superstition despite being raised one), then it would be natural to see all Catholics as his flock. With the astronomical amount of Catholics in Hispanic countries- you could probably argue he is effectively arguing for refugees of his country. He is a head of State as well as a leader in a world organization; politics in this arena goes hand in hand. I don't agree with him, but I certainly won't begrudge the guy for doing what he has to." I understand his reasoning, and he may be perfectly justified in sticking his nose in from a religious point of view. It makes no difference. Our border policy is not a religious issue. It's still none of his business, and he can still fuck off. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 10:08:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. Except that he comes over to the United States, meddles in our affairs and lends his support to Obamaand "open borders". Why didn't he come over and lecture Pelosi on her support for abortion? Why didn't he come over and turn over all the pedophile priests to law enforcement? Why doesn't he empty out the Vatican treasury to eliminate poverty in Central/South America? No, he comes over, lends his support to Obama and criticizes OUR values. Separation of Church and state doesn't work if the Muslims and the Pope see their religion as government. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:30:24 AM EST
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It is absolutely his business. We are the same people that flip out when Benghazi wasn't helped, yet the pope isn't supposed to intervene to help his people when they may be in trouble? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not read my later response to the thread? This one? "He's here to argue the humanitarian standpoint (I don't agree with him). If you truly believe the pope is the most holy man living (debatable. I don't do Catholic superstition despite being raised one), then it would be natural to see all Catholics as his flock. With the astronomical amount of Catholics in Hispanic countries- you could probably argue he is effectively arguing for refugees of his country. He is a head of State as well as a leader in a world organization; politics in this arena goes hand in hand. I don't agree with him, but I certainly won't begrudge the guy for doing what he has to." I understand his reasoning, and he may be perfectly justified in sticking his nose in from a religious point of view. It makes no difference. Our border policy is not a religious issue. It's still none of his business, and he can still fuck off. Our immigration policies are absolutely none of his business. He's not helping his people. He's trying to get other people to help his people. They are not our problem. I'm pretty sure that Mexican Catholics are not calling the Vatican, asking the Pope to deliver them from US oppression, and I'm pretty sure that Mexicans aren't starving in mass, or fleeing from some civil war. They just like our country better than theirs. Tough shit. If he really wants to help his people, he should be preaching to the Mexicans, not us. They're the ones with the problems. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:36:24 AM EST
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Because of my work, I've been fortunate to have spent timewith many important/well known people. One of them was Mother Teresa. Without question, she was the most impressive and memorable. This will be scoffed at, but there was something about her that was inexplicably different than anyone I've ever been with. Wish I could better explain it..... I am neither Catholic nor especially active in any church. I'm not a Catholic either. Based on what I've read, she was one of the finest human beings to have lived in this century. Miracle or not, that woman was a saint. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:57:19 AM EST
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Father Guido Sarducci:
"To be made a saint in-a the catholic church, you have to have-a four miracles. That's-a the rules, you know. It's-a always been that-a. Four miracles, and-a to prove it. Well, this-a Mother Teresa-now they could only prove-a three miracles. But the Pope-he just waved the fourth one. He just waved it! And do you know why? It's-a because she was Macedonian. It's all-a politics. We got-a some Italian-a people, they got-a forty, fifty, sixty miracles to their name. They can't-a get in just cause they say there's already too many Italian saints, and this woman comes along with-a three lousy miracles. I understand that-a two of them was-a card tricks." |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 12:08:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. 
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Posted: 12/21/2015 12:47:20 PM EST
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It's only a matter of time before she's made a Saint.
I've read most of the criticism of her, and most of the criticism really seems to boil down to a criticism of Catholicism in general. She was against abortion and contraception? She believed pain and suffering have meaning? She made sure people where baptized before they died? Yeah, these are all Catholic ideas. Your beef is probably with the Church in general. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 12:58:03 PM EST
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Quote Historygood video, i watched it the other day. It is hard for some people to see through the fog of religious conviction |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 1:06:32 PM EST
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It's only a matter of time before she's made a Saint. I've read most of the criticism of her, and most of the criticism really seems to boil down to a criticism of Catholicism in general. She was against abortion and contraception? She believed pain and suffering have meaning? She made sure people where baptized before they died? Yeah, these are all Catholic ideas. Your beef is probably with the Church in general. The criticizms that have been made against her have been very specific, and none of them are on your list, so, no. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 1:10:19 PM EST
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Except that he comes over to the United States, meddles in our affairs and lends his support to Obamaand "open borders". Why didn't he come over and lecture Pelosi on her support for abortion? Why didn't he come over and turn over all the pedophile priests to law enforcement? Why doesn't he empty out the Vatican treasury to eliminate poverty in Central/South America? No, he comes over, lends his support to Obama and criticizes OUR values. Separation of Church and state doesn't work if the Muslims and the Pope see their religion as government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. Except that he comes over to the United States, meddles in our affairs and lends his support to Obamaand "open borders". Why didn't he come over and lecture Pelosi on her support for abortion? Why didn't he come over and turn over all the pedophile priests to law enforcement? Why doesn't he empty out the Vatican treasury to eliminate poverty in Central/South America? No, he comes over, lends his support to Obama and criticizes OUR values. Separation of Church and state doesn't work if the Muslims and the Pope see their religion as government. You mean the way that all of our presidents have traveled to other countries and gave their two cents? World leaders discuss world events. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 1:11:24 PM EST
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It's only a matter of time before she's made a Saint. I've read most of the criticism of her, and most of the criticism really seems to boil down to a criticism of Catholicism in general. She was against abortion and contraception? She believed pain and suffering have meaning? She made sure people where baptized before they died? Yeah, these are all Catholic ideas. Your beef is probably with the Church in general. Exactly |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 1:34:35 PM EST
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This, and she refused to allow the families of these victims to visit and comfort them. Her victims lay there in filth, dying agonizing drug and treatment free deaths, while she spent her days jetting around the world hobnobbing with the elite, campaigning against civil rights and birth control, and raising money that went only to her church. She was a sadistic monster who believed that pain and suffering were desired. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck that bitch, if there's ever a hell may she be in the deepest and darkest and hottest part of it. For those who dont know, she used sick and near death patients and wouldn't let them have medical attention and use them for her PR & publicity stunt. Not to mention millions and millions of dollars in aid never reached the sick and poor she claimed to nurture and care for.
This, and she refused to allow the families of these victims to visit and comfort them. Her victims lay there in filth, dying agonizing drug and treatment free deaths, while she spent her days jetting around the world hobnobbing with the elite, campaigning against civil rights and birth control, and raising money that went only to her church. She was a sadistic monster who believed that pain and suffering were desired. “Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus - a sign that you have come so close to Him that He can kiss you.” ? Mother Teresa 
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Posted: 12/21/2015 1:37:43 PM EST
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“Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus - a sign that you have come so close to Him that He can kiss you.” ? Mother Teresa Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This, and she refused to allow the families of these victims to visit and comfort them. Her victims lay there in filth, dying agonizing drug and treatment free deaths, while she spent her days jetting around the world hobnobbing with the elite, campaigning against civil rights and birth control, and raising money that went only to her church. She was a sadistic monster who believed that pain and suffering were desired. “Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus - a sign that you have come so close to Him that He can kiss you.” ? Mother Teresa Context is everything. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 3:37:40 PM EST
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“Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus - a sign that you have come so close to Him that He can kiss you.” Just my opinion, but I think you have to be a bit kooky to really believe that. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 3:59:17 PM EST
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The criticizms that have been made against her have been very specific, and none of them are on your list, so, no. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's only a matter of time before she's made a Saint. I've read most of the criticism of her, and most of the criticism really seems to boil down to a criticism of Catholicism in general. She was against abortion and contraception? She believed pain and suffering have meaning? She made sure people where baptized before they died? Yeah, these are all Catholic ideas. Your beef is probably with the Church in general. The criticizms that have been made against her have been very specific, and none of them are on your list, so, no. Your criticism in this thread have specifically taken the form of half-baked, uninformed potshots at Catholicism in general, seemingly making my point for me. Here's a taste of your "contributions" to this topic: Quoted:
Hey, I would be skeptical, too, if this wasn't her second [miracle]. If [the Pope] wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. How's [that blessing from Mother Teresa] working out for them? But what does it mean, calling her a saint? It doesn't "make" her anything. She's still dead. It's nothing more than the Catholic Hall of Fame. As for un-biblical traditions, every Bible-based church there is does things a different way. Is yours the only one that's right, or are those just traditions? Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 4:17:42 PM EST
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Your criticism in this thread have specifically taken the form of half-baked, uninformed potshots at Catholicism in general, seemingly making my point for me. Here's a taste of your "contributions" to this topic: Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's only a matter of time before she's made a Saint. I've read most of the criticism of her, and most of the criticism really seems to boil down to a criticism of Catholicism in general. She was against abortion and contraception? She believed pain and suffering have meaning? She made sure people where baptized before they died? Yeah, these are all Catholic ideas. Your beef is probably with the Church in general. The criticizms that have been made against her have been very specific, and none of them are on your list, so, no. Your criticism in this thread have specifically taken the form of half-baked, uninformed potshots at Catholicism in general, seemingly making my point for me. Here's a taste of your "contributions" to this topic: Quoted:
Hey, I would be skeptical, too, if this wasn't her second [miracle]. If [the Pope] wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. How's [that blessing from Mother Teresa] working out for them? But what does it mean, calling her a saint? It doesn't "make" her anything. She's still dead. It's nothing more than the Catholic Hall of Fame. As for un-biblical traditions, every Bible-based church there is does things a different way. Is yours the only one that's right, or are those just traditions? Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. Please point out which of those is a criticism of Mother Teresa. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. 
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Posted: 12/21/2015 6:18:18 PM EST
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Please point out which of those is a criticism of Mother Teresa. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
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It's only a matter of time before she's made a Saint. I've read most of the criticism of her, and most of the criticism really seems to boil down to a criticism of Catholicism in general. She was against abortion and contraception? She believed pain and suffering have meaning? She made sure people where baptized before they died? Yeah, these are all Catholic ideas. Your beef is probably with the Church in general. The criticizms that have been made against her have been very specific, and none of them are on your list, so, no. Your criticism in this thread have specifically taken the form of half-baked, uninformed potshots at Catholicism in general, seemingly making my point for me. Here's a taste of your "contributions" to this topic: Quoted:
Hey, I would be skeptical, too, if this wasn't her second [miracle]. If [the Pope] wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. How's [that blessing from Mother Teresa] working out for them? But what does it mean, calling her a saint? It doesn't "make" her anything. She's still dead. It's nothing more than the Catholic Hall of Fame. As for un-biblical traditions, every Bible-based church there is does things a different way. Is yours the only one that's right, or are those just traditions? Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. Please point out which of those is a criticism of Mother Teresa. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
None of them are. All of them are criticisms of Catholicism in general, which is my entire point. Reading is fundamental. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 6:51:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just my opinion, but I think you have to be a bit kooky to really believe that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus - a sign that you have come so close to Him that He can kiss you.” Just my opinion, but I think you have to be a bit kooky to really believe that. I'm not sure kooky is the right word, but it is definitely old school Christianity. Redemptive suffering has been a tradition since the earliest days. Personal suffering has be accepted and voluntarily offered up in union with the Passion of Christ to be redemptive though. I'm not sure how many of those who suffered in the hospices ran by her charity would fit that. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 6:57:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, but I would expect him to say that any country has the right to control its borders and its immigration policies as it sees fit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" No, but I would expect him to say that any country has the right to control its borders and its immigration policies as it sees fit. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 7:17:34 PM EST
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Please point out which of those is a criticism of Mother Teresa. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
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Hey, I would be skeptical, too, if this wasn't her second [miracle]. If [the Pope] wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. How's [that blessing from Mother Teresa] working out for them? But what does it mean, calling her a saint? It doesn't "make" her anything. She's still dead. It's nothing more than the Catholic Hall of Fame. As for un-biblical traditions, every Bible-based church there is does things a different way. Is yours the only one that's right, or are those just traditions? Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. Please point out which of those is a criticism of Mother Teresa. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
Now you are just being purposefully obtuse. You are clinging desperately to semantics. You have been negative and spiteful. And that's fine. That's your right. However, you are determined to portray yourself as an objective seeker of answers, void of rancor and subjectivity. You can't have it both ways. If you think the Church is a joke, a scam, and a blight then say so. It isn't going to hurt my feelings. In fact, I would rather you just came out and said so instead of being deceitful. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 8:50:07 PM EST
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Now you are just being purposefully obtuse. You are clinging desperately to semantics. You have been negative and spiteful. And that's fine. That's your right. However, you are determined to portray yourself as an objective seeker of answers, void of rancor and subjectivity. You can't have it both ways. If you think the Church is a joke, a scam, and a blight then say so. It isn't going to hurt my feelings. In fact, I would rather you just came out and said so instead of being deceitful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hey, I would be skeptical, too, if this wasn't her second [miracle]. If [the Pope] wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. How's [that blessing from Mother Teresa] working out for them? But what does it mean, calling her a saint? It doesn't "make" her anything. She's still dead. It's nothing more than the Catholic Hall of Fame. As for un-biblical traditions, every Bible-based church there is does things a different way. Is yours the only one that's right, or are those just traditions? Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. Please point out which of those is a criticism of Mother Teresa. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
Now you are just being purposefully obtuse. You are clinging desperately to semantics. You have been negative and spiteful. And that's fine. That's your right. However, you are determined to portray yourself as an objective seeker of answers, void of rancor and subjectivity. You can't have it both ways. If you think the Church is a joke, a scam, and a blight then say so. It isn't going to hurt my feelings. In fact, I would rather you just came out and said so instead of being deceitful. Seriously? Do you people know what "criticize" means?
I criticized this particular pope. The man. I expressed incredulity about miracles in general. I asked questions about sainthood, because, as I stated, I don't know. In no way did I ever criticize Mother Teresa, the Catholic Church, or religion in general. If they want to make her a saint, WHO CARES. She will be THEIR saint, and it has absolutely nothing to do with me. As far as I know, MT was a wonderful person - certainly better than me. I know nothing of her methods, but in any case, it's not for me to judge. I've never been in need of her help. Apparently, she had a lot of satisfied costumers. |
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Posted: 12/21/2015 8:54:07 PM EST
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None of them are. All of them are criticisms of Catholicism in general, which is my entire point. Reading is fundamental. Please see above. |
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