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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:23:51 PM EDT
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They've show the amount of backbone they have with this year's budget approval. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something really bad must be happening fairly soon, and the RNC actually wants the Dems in the White House when it happens.
They've show the amount of backbone they have with this year's budget approval. If the GOPe House and Senate block everything from a Democrat President it will be easy to explain. How do they explain blocking everything from a Republican President that they hate but the people want? |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:24:05 PM EDT
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Yeah, he's right. I heard him on the radio a few weeks ago talking about the process for picking the candidate. I mean, it's the same rules that's ALWAYS been in effect. If a candidate doesn't get to the magic number to move on to November, then there's the convention/ballot process. THIS IS NOTHING NEW. The candidates are all playing by the same rules that have always been the same rules. If your candidate is so good and appealing, then they shouldn't have any issue getting to the magic number. If they don't? Well, it's the Party's game they are playing, and there are rules and decide who gets picked. Don't like it? Fine, go start your own party. But don't fucking complain about the rules in a game YOUR candidate decided to play in. Christ. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It sucks, but he's right. 
The parties aren't even obligated to hold primary elections, let alone abide by the results of them. Yeah, he's right. I heard him on the radio a few weeks ago talking about the process for picking the candidate. I mean, it's the same rules that's ALWAYS been in effect. If a candidate doesn't get to the magic number to move on to November, then there's the convention/ballot process. THIS IS NOTHING NEW. The candidates are all playing by the same rules that have always been the same rules. If your candidate is so good and appealing, then they shouldn't have any issue getting to the magic number. If they don't? Well, it's the Party's game they are playing, and there are rules and decide who gets picked. Don't like it? Fine, go start your own party. But don't fucking complain about the rules in a game YOUR candidate decided to play in. Christ. Unless of course they are changing the rules. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1855138_GOPe_not_even_trying_to_hide_it_now_RNC_Releases_New_Video___Pushes_Rule_Change_to_Help_Party_Elites.html |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:24:13 PM EDT
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they do, and it's amazing how so many cruz supporters now suck the gop's dick  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is he wrong? 99% of the trump posters here go on about how the hate the GOP they do, and it's amazing how so many cruz supporters now suck the gop's dick Amazing? More like predictable. Cruz is a charlatan. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:24:40 PM EDT
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If the parties decided that we should have primaries and caucuses just to perk up interest, why don't they pay for them? Seems to me like a big waste of money if they really don't matter.
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:24:51 PM EDT
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If the GOPe House and Senate block everything from a Democrat President it will be easy to explain. How do they explain blocking everything from a Republican President that they hate but the people want? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something really bad must be happening fairly soon, and the RNC actually wants the Dems in the White House when it happens.
They've show the amount of backbone they have with this year's budget approval. If the GOPe House and Senate block everything from a Democrat President it will be easy to explain. How do they explain blocking everything from a Republican President that they hate but the people want? But they haven't done that either. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:24:59 PM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/ZFPIJBV.jpg?1 Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus cautioned supporters of Donald Trump who vocally disapprove of the GOP's delegate allocation and selection process. "By the way, this is a nomination for the Republican Party," Priebus told 620 WTMJ in Wisconsin. "If you don't like the party, then sit down. The party is choosing a nominee." Priebus insisted that, "I'm not in favor of changing the rules," but seemed to suggest that his party was moving toward the way it formerly chose a nominee many years ago. He also appeared to hint that the primaries and caucuses may not be as binding for the delegates as some have come to expect. Priebus' comments come as Wisconsinites head to the polls to cast a vote in a primary that could send the GOP hurling toward a contested convention. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/priebus-the-party-is-choosing-a-nominee/article/2587688 There we go. If their message to me is sit down and shut up, my reply is go fuck yourself. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:25:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they choose someone that wasn't even on the ballot for republicans to vote for I'm leaving the party  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How is he wrong? 99% of the trump posters here go on about how the hate the GOP If they choose someone that wasn't even on the ballot for republicans to vote for I'm leaving the party 
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:25:28 PM EDT
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At this point, who would WANT to be the nominee chosen by the Republican party over the will of the voters? Whatever poor slob gets drafted is going to be considered an illegitimate candidate and is almost guaranteed to get pasted in the general election. If I were some big wig politician, I'd consider it an insult if the party drafted me under these circumstances. You're essentially getting thrown to the wolves to go through the motions. It has to be either Trump or Cruz, regardless of how you feel about either man. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:25:55 PM EDT
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Somebody needs to kick his ass clear up to his shoulders. What a fucking prick!
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:25:58 PM EDT
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We didn't build it, they did. To screen out un-desirables. They built it with our tacit approval. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:26:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's certainly drawn a line in the sand and if there's anyone in the country who stands to lose more if Donald Trump is elected I can't think of who it is right now. He'll be FIRED! I've worked in partisan politics for over forty years now. The one thing I learned early on was that leadership should never choose sides in a hotly contested primary if they like staying in leadership. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:26:18 PM EDT
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That would be better than what we have right now. Draw from a pool of registered people who have to pass a test on how the federal government functions and also pass a test on the Constitution. Then randomly select from that pool every 2 years. I guarantee our country would be a million times better off than it is now. I wish our founders thought of that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I don't like the party then I'll just go to another one. Or better yet don't. Political parties have established a stranglehold on our government, and it fucking blows. Make all committee and leadership positions in both houses of Congress assigned randomly by drawn lot... That would be better than what we have right now. Draw from a pool of registered people who have to pass a test on how the federal government functions and also pass a test on the Constitution. Then randomly select from that pool every 2 years. I guarantee our country would be a million times better off than it is now. I wish our founders thought of that. I won't go so far as to advocate completely picking the Senators and Representatives at random, but leadership positions and committee assignments (too many damn committees too, but that's another thread)? Absolutely. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point, who would WANT to be the nominee chosen by the Republican party over the will of the voters? Whatever poor slob gets drafted is going to be considered an illegitimate candidate and is almost guaranteed to get pasted in the general election. If I were some big wig politician, I'd consider it an insult if the party drafted me under these circumstances. You're essentially getting thrown to the wolves to go through the motions. It has to be either Trump or Cruz, regardless of how you feel about either man. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:26:59 PM EDT
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If Trump falls short of delegates my bet is they will get behind Cruz in a brokered convention which isn't a bad thing. Trump may have the votes from the people but most people don't vote for who they think can actually beat Clinton, they vote for who they best identify with. Clinton will mop the floor with Trump in a general, Cruz on the other hand I really cant say.
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:27:25 PM EDT
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Was talking to a guy who is a new member at the range. He is from Belgrade. Started talking about the Balkan War. I mentioned that I thought the same thing could happen here. He agreed.
People get shafted by the gummint, gummint breaks it contracts with the people, people lose wealth, it will start. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:27:58 PM EDT
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It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. People act like this is some sort of new development, or earth shattering news. Anyone can run for President. Anyone can form a new political party and choose the nominee however they see fit. The two huge dominant parties also get to choose the nominees however they see fit. How is this a news flash to anyone? Oh, because most people are wholly ignorant to how this stuff works. We really need to bring back civics classes in high school to combat the ignorance. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:28:10 PM EDT
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Translation, we'd rather have Hillary as President
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:28:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something really bad must be happening fairly soon, and the RNC actually wants the Dems in the White House when it happens.   |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:28:21 PM EDT
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I find it hard to believe they are nutty enough to just annoint Ryan, but who knows Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At this point, who would WANT to be the nominee chosen by the Republican party over the will of the voters? Whatever poor slob gets drafted is going to be considered an illegitimate candidate and is almost guaranteed to get pasted in the general election. If I were some big wig politician, I'd consider it an insult if the party drafted me under these circumstances. You're essentially getting thrown to the wolves to go through the motions. It has to be either Trump or Cruz, regardless of how you feel about either man. I still think that Ryan wouldn't be dumb enough to accept it. It would be a very, very slim chance at POTUS or the end of his political career. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:29:09 PM EDT
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At this point, who would WANT to be the nominee chosen by the Republican party over the will of the voters? Whatever poor slob gets drafted is going to be considered an illegitimate candidate and is almost guaranteed to get pasted in the general election. If I were some big wig politician, I'd consider it an insult if the party drafted me under these circumstances. You're essentially getting thrown to the wolves to go through the motions. It has to be either Trump or Cruz, regardless of how you feel about either man. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and force Kasich on us. I still think Ryan/Kasich is their game plan. It's not like they plan to WIN! Their goal is to lose so they can remain the party of surrender and whine. If you win you might actually have to follow through on something. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:29:55 PM EDT
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they do, and it's amazing how so many cruz supporters now suck the gop's dick Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is he wrong? 99% of the trump posters here go on about how the hate the GOP they do, and it's amazing how so many cruz supporters now suck the gop's dick Name a few. Shouldn't be hard - right? |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:31:04 PM EDT
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I still think that Ryan wouldn't be dumb enough to accept it. It would be a very, very slim chance at POTUS or the end of his political career. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At this point, who would WANT to be the nominee chosen by the Republican party over the will of the voters? Whatever poor slob gets drafted is going to be considered an illegitimate candidate and is almost guaranteed to get pasted in the general election. If I were some big wig politician, I'd consider it an insult if the party drafted me under these circumstances. You're essentially getting thrown to the wolves to go through the motions. It has to be either Trump or Cruz, regardless of how you feel about either man. I still think that Ryan wouldn't be dumb enough to accept it. It would be a very, very slim chance at POTUS or the end of his political career. I bet either Jeb or Rubio would accept . Neither have much to lose. Kasich is likely too. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:31:07 PM EDT
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How is he wrong? 99% of the trump posters here go on about how the hate the GOP So you support them throwing the convention to someone other than Cruz or Trump...which will ensure a Hilldawg victory... Yes we do hate the GOPe because they do not represent us. They are in it for their own interests. They would rather see everything remain the way it is, because it benefits them the most, not the country. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:32:36 PM EDT
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Well fuck you too. Right! Fk Pubis and all the other GOP RINOS!  
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:32:58 PM EDT
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I bet either Jeb or Rubio would accept Rubio probably... Jeb definitely (his political career is over anyway), but I don't even think Preibus et al are that stupid. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:33:06 PM EDT
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You didn't leave after they passed the SAFE act? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is he wrong? 99% of the trump posters here go on about how the hate the GOP If they choose someone that wasn't even on the ballot for republicans to vote for I'm leaving the party I'm exempt 
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:33:07 PM EDT
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Preibus is right about who chooses the candidate.
I'm going to the Republican state convention to choose delegates to the national convention. If we want to be a delegate to the national convention, we have to sign a pledge that we will vote for the candidate we have declared for. But, that is only for the first vote. If there is no winner we can vote for whoever we want. People aren't understanding that the primaries that they voted in were not for any sort of public office. The primaries are state sponsored elections for private organizations: the Republican and Democrat parties. It would be like going to vote in your local polling place for the candidates for president of the VFW or the Knights of Columbus. The delegates aren't bound by any law to nominate anyone, the only thing they have to comply with is the rules the party makes up. That being said, if the nominee isn't either Trump or Cruz, I'm not voting for a Republican for president. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:33:25 PM EDT
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Gary Johnson 2016!
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:34:21 PM EDT
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Unless of course they are changing the rules. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1855138_GOPe_not_even_trying_to_hide_it_now_RNC_Releases_New_Video___Pushes_Rule_Change_to_Help_Party_Elites.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It sucks, but he's right.
The parties aren't even obligated to hold primary elections, let alone abide by the results of them. Yeah, he's right. I heard him on the radio a few weeks ago talking about the process for picking the candidate. I mean, it's the same rules that's ALWAYS been in effect. If a candidate doesn't get to the magic number to move on to November, then there's the convention/ballot process. THIS IS NOTHING NEW. The candidates are all playing by the same rules that have always been the same rules. If your candidate is so good and appealing, then they shouldn't have any issue getting to the magic number. If they don't? Well, it's the Party's game they are playing, and there are rules and decide who gets picked. Don't like it? Fine, go start your own party. But don't fucking complain about the rules in a game YOUR candidate decided to play in. Christ. Unless of course they are changing the rules. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1855138_GOPe_not_even_trying_to_hide_it_now_RNC_Releases_New_Video___Pushes_Rule_Change_to_Help_Party_Elites.html I want so badly to feel sympathetic to the people in this thread harping about the "establishment" and "stealing nominations" and "changing the rules", but I can't. Xenophon and DeltaElite777 are both absolutely right. Jez people, at least UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS AND HAS ALWAYS WORKED, and at least UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT. 
"Rule changes" are not some underhanded nefarious plot. It happens every convention. Who votes on the rules? THE DELEGATES. The convention rules only stay the same if the delegates vote to keep them the same. Going in, who's going to have the most delegates? TRUMP and CRUZ. If the "Establishment/RINO GOP" is going to screw Trump or Cruz out of it, the only way they can do so is by convincing the delegates to switch their votes. And they're only bound to vote ONCE based on the state's primary results, that's it. This is all nothing new. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:35:09 PM EDT
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If Trump falls short of delegates my bet is they will get behind Cruz in a brokered convention which isn't a bad thing. Trump may have the votes from the people but most people don't vote for who they think can actually beat Clinton, they vote for who they best identify with. Clinton will mop the floor with Trump in a general, Cruz on the other hand I really cant say. I respectfully disagree. I think Trump will eviscerate Hillary in a head to head contest. 
With all her flaws (worst SOS ever, Middle East in a shambles, email server, illegal donations to Clinton Foundation, etc) she'll be an easy target to pick apart. Cruz just isn't genuine or likeable. He comes across like a cheap late night TV evangelist. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:35:19 PM EDT
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These are people who are supposed to represent us, not lead us. That guy can go play in traffic.
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:36:04 PM EDT
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when in the course of human events...
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:36:49 PM EDT
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This is why I no longer consider myself a Republican. I've been embarrassed to call myself one for years |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:36:51 PM EDT
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Fuckin' piss ant.
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:36:55 PM EDT
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Their party, their rules.
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:37:24 PM EDT
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The great NWO relay race....Trump passes the baton to Cruz who passes it to Ryan who passes it on to Hillary....
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:37:28 PM EDT
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How is he wrong? 99% of the trump posters here go on about how the hate the GOP If they choose someone that wasn't even on the ballot for republicans to vote for I'm leaving the party new York problems. why you stay there? golfing dates with Bloomberg keep you close to home? |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:37:56 PM EDT
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Their party, their rules. so they can stop asking for my money and my vote. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:39:05 PM EDT
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so they can stop asking for my money and my vote. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their party, their rules. so they can stop asking for my money and my vote. This right here. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:40:00 PM EDT
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I respectfully disagree. I think Trump will eviscerate Hillary in a head to head contest.
With all her flaws (worst SOS ever, Middle East in a shambles, email server, illegal donations to Clinton Foundation, etc) she'll be an easy target to pick apart. But yet she's withstood decades of attacks, with only the one setback (Obama in 2008).... Everyone needs to stop underestimating this fucking cunt, especially the Trump people. She and the MSM will eat Trump alive if it comes to that. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:40:27 PM EDT
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Well fuck you too. Yep |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:41:50 PM EDT
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nothings changed. i was told this back in 1996.
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:42:04 PM EDT
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And I'll vote for HRC, then. How much failure is enough? I actually think that's what the RNC/GOPe want As long as Cruz or Trump don't win the nomination and general RP and his cronies keep their jobs, salaries, hookers and blow……. They would rather have the Hildabeast win.. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:42:50 PM EDT
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Translation, we'd rather have Hillary as President It sure is starting to look like that is the plan. This may be the end of the Republic and the start of something very bad. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:43:31 PM EDT
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Unless skankles strokes out, she'll be the the next POtuS.
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:44:35 PM EDT
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It sure is starting to look like that is the plan. This may be the end of the Republic and the start of something very bad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Translation, we'd rather have Hillary as President It sure is starting to look like that is the plan. This may be the end of the Republic and the start of something very bad. It fucking sucks. Both the GOPe AND the Trump fanatics would rather see Hillary as POTUS than "lose".
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:47:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless of course they are changing the rules. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1855138_GOPe_not_even_trying_to_hide_it_now_RNC_Releases_New_Video___Pushes_Rule_Change_to_Help_Party_Elites.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It sucks, but he's right. The parties aren't even obligated to hold primary elections, let alone abide by the results of them. Yeah, he's right. I heard him on the radio a few weeks ago talking about the process for picking the candidate. I mean, it's the same rules that's ALWAYS been in effect. If a candidate doesn't get to the magic number to move on to November, then there's the convention/ballot process. THIS IS NOTHING NEW. The candidates are all playing by the same rules that have always been the same rules. If your candidate is so good and appealing, then they shouldn't have any issue getting to the magic number. If they don't? Well, it's the Party's game they are playing, and there are rules and decide who gets picked. Don't like it? Fine, go start your own party. But don't fucking complain about the rules in a game YOUR candidate decided to play in. Christ. Unless of course they are changing the rules. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1855138_GOPe_not_even_trying_to_hide_it_now_RNC_Releases_New_Video___Pushes_Rule_Change_to_Help_Party_Elites.html There is ALWAYS a "Rules Committee" that consists of 1 man and 1 woman from each State to vote on the particular rules for a given year's convention. That's nothing new. For fuck's sake, they are just covering in that video how a convention goes. Every convention always has a rules committee. This is part of the process. He's not saying in the video "Shit, we don't want Trump, so we need the rules to change". He's just giving an example that the committe votes on rules as part the process. If there's a convention in 2020, THEY WILL ALSO HAVE A RULES COMMITTEE VOTE ON THE RULES FOR THAT ONE TOO. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:48:50 PM EDT
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Every election cycle the republican party comes knocking on my door looking for support.
Now if Trump gets anywhere near the 1237 and they still take it away from him I cannot wait for that knock. They will be met with some choice words, followed by get the fuck off my land you treasonous scum. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:49:31 PM EDT
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And I'll vote for HRC, then. How much failure is enough? I actually think that's what the RNC/GOPe want As long as Cruz or Trump don't win the nomination and general RP and his cronies keep their jobs, salaries, hookers and blow……. They would rather have the Hildabeast win.. A better answer is to vote for someone who isn't a D or R for President. Vote for whoever is running against the R for all other federal positions. We're never going to fix the Republican party by settling for the horrible candidates they're coming up with. We're never going to change their lack of backbone if we keep voting for them. They're going to have to get their asses kicked in an election or two to purge the worst of the idiots and convince the others to do something. |
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