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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:08:23 PM EDT
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I guess it would depend on how it failed. Was it an air burst with a partial explosion or did it auger into the dirt at full speed? Would probably make a significant difference.
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:10:45 PM EDT
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If they make it to the ground.. they tend to bury themselves pretty deep down into the ground in one piece if they or any part of a charge does not go off.
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:11:02 PM EDT
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Depends on the failure mechanism. Failures span the gamut of the thing just not doing anything and impacting, to a failed detonation sequence, to failure of the initiating sources, et cetera.
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:11:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Say it kicks off. Russia sends nukes. One is aimed at Houston but fails to detonate. It impacts the ground inside the loop. I assume the impact would leave a crater with some resultant damage. What would be the results of the fragmented nuclear material? How big of a radius would be contaminated? Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:12:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess it would depend on how it failed. Was it an air burst with a partial explosion or did it auger into the dirt at full speed? Would probably make a significant difference. Let’s say the nuclear device totally failed and the missile angered into the earth at full speed. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:13:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s say the nuclear device totally failed and the missile angered into the earth at full speed. There was an accidental few dropped in the US in the past by our own planes.. one from a bomber went so deep into the ground in a swap here in the US they just left it there as all efforts to get to it failed. Another one they had to dig a pretty deep hole so the bomb tech could disarm it completely. I think some had drag chutes even. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:14:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Say it kicks off. Russia sends nukes. One is aimed at Houston but fails to detonate. It impacts the ground inside the loop. I assume the impact would leave a crater with some resultant damage. What would be the results of the fragmented nuclear material? How big of a radius would be contaminated? Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? All the target maps show Houston as a target. Probably because it is a population center and a significant part of the US infrastructure. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:19:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Say it kicks off. Russia sends nukes. One is aimed at Houston but fails to detonate. It impacts the ground inside the loop. I assume the impact would leave a crater with some resultant damage. What would be the results of the fragmented nuclear material? How big of a radius would be contaminated? Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? Who DOESN'T want to nuke downtown Houston??? 
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:23:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s say the nuclear device totally failed and the missile angered into the earth at full speed. If you are wondering if it would become a "dirty bomb", probably not. If the HE components failed to detonate, then the plutonium core will most likely remain intact. It is encased in a thick high strength stainless steel shell. Assuming it penetrated 20+ feet (depending on whether it hit soil, sand, pavement) the warhead will be pretty harmless until things settled down enough to dig it out. That is assuming a gravity bomb of some sort. If a MIRV warhead came in cold, it would be so deep you would never recover it. By being that deep, even if the plutonium shell was compromised, it would not be any short term threat. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are wondering if it would become a "dirty bomb", probably not. If the HE components failed to detonate, then the plutonium core will most likely remain intact. It is encased in a thick high strength stainless steel shell. Assuming it penetrated 20+ feet (depending on whether it hit soil, sand, pavement) the warhead will be pretty harmless until things settled down enough to dig it out. The response would most likely be more impactful than the weapon itself. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:27:37 PM EDT
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Watch for the time delay. Just sayin'
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:27:42 PM EDT
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Has a nuke EVER failed to go off?
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:32:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has a nuke EVER failed to go off? Russian nukes might have a high failure rate considering what we have been seeing in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:33:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has a nuke EVER failed to go off? There have been a few "fizzles" back when we did live tests. These mainly involved partial detonation of the explosives, or a defect in the incredibly precise timing involved. A partial explosive detonation would be the equivalent of a "dirty bomb" spreading radioactive material. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:33:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are wondering if it would become a "dirty bomb", probably not. If the HE components failed to detonate, then the plutonium core will most likely remain intact. It is encased in a thick high strength stainless steel shell. Assuming it penetrated 20+ feet (depending on whether it hit soil, sand, pavement) the warhead will be pretty harmless until things settled down enough to dig it out. That is assuming a gravity bomb of some sort. If a MIRV warhead came in cold, it would be so deep you would never recover it. By being that deep, even if the plutonium shell was compromised, it would not be any short term threat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let’s say the nuclear device totally failed and the missile angered into the earth at full speed. If you are wondering if it would become a "dirty bomb", probably not. If the HE components failed to detonate, then the plutonium core will most likely remain intact. It is encased in a thick high strength stainless steel shell. Assuming it penetrated 20+ feet (depending on whether it hit soil, sand, pavement) the warhead will be pretty harmless until things settled down enough to dig it out. That is assuming a gravity bomb of some sort. If a MIRV warhead came in cold, it would be so deep you would never recover it. By being that deep, even if the plutonium shell was compromised, it would not be any short term threat. So the only damage would be from the impact crater? |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:39:41 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russian nukes might have a high failure rate considering what we have been seeing in Ukraine. Sure 
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:40:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the only damage would be from the impact crater? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let’s say the nuclear device totally failed and the missile angered into the earth at full speed. If you are wondering if it would become a "dirty bomb", probably not. If the HE components failed to detonate, then the plutonium core will most likely remain intact. It is encased in a thick high strength stainless steel shell. Assuming it penetrated 20+ feet (depending on whether it hit soil, sand, pavement) the warhead will be pretty harmless until things settled down enough to dig it out. That is assuming a gravity bomb of some sort. If a MIRV warhead came in cold, it would be so deep you would never recover it. By being that deep, even if the plutonium shell was compromised, it would not be any short term threat. So the only damage would be from the impact crater? Given your scenario, yes. Of course a dud MIRV coming in would create much more kinetic damage than a dud gravity bomb. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:40:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russian nukes might have a high failure rate considering what we have been seeing in Ukraine. Sure They may. It’s a shitty chance to take though. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:44:20 PM EDT
[#19]
Parts of Houston are so shitty it would hard to tell if one detonated.
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:45:03 PM EDT
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They've dropped a few that partially blew up, some in BC Canada, scattered uranium all over on nov. 10 1950 and another was dropped by accident in s. Carolina in 58 when somebody released it manually by accident, explosives went of when it hit the ground....ETA.... Just had the uranium, did not have the "pit" in it
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:57:35 PM EDT
[#21]
the MIRV from the ICBM would make a big hole in the ground since it was going Mach 15 to 20, more likely to bury itself than splatter.
there would be some uranium and more plutonium. the plutonium would be more concerning. plutonium 239 has a half-life of 24,400 years. 0.001 milligram is enough to cause serious health hazards including bone and lung cancer. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:57:50 PM EDT
[#22]
Let see if the explosives charge does not detenate the nuclear core. How much radiation may get released when the warhead slams into the ground.
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:58:58 PM EDT
[#23]
I don't know that it matters, because I assume they will be sending more than just one...and will be launching at plenty of other locations nearby.
Im kinda curious about what places are NOT even on the target list. Id think there are places in northern Alaska, central Africa, Southern South America, etc that have no human population and aren't even targets. Seems like a great time to take a vacation to Tierra Del Fuego
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Posted: 4/27/2022 8:01:39 PM EDT
[#24]
Russian nukes are blocks of wood.
The real nukes got sold to some terrorist. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 8:33:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2022 8:56:22 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Say it kicks off. Russia sends nukes. One is aimed at Houston but fails to detonate. It impacts the ground inside the loop. I assume the impact would leave a crater with some resultant damage. What would be the results of the fragmented nuclear material? How big of a radius would be contaminated? Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? To Demoralize & Defeat America by Taking Out America's team... The Awesome "Houston Texans"  ... Duh!!  Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 4/27/2022 8:58:52 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Say it kicks off. Russia sends nukes. One is aimed at Houston but fails to detonate. It impacts the ground inside the loop. I assume the impact would leave a crater with some resultant damage. What would be the results of the fragmented nuclear material? How big of a radius would be contaminated? Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? I’m guessing you’ve never visited Houston. So many reasons
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:01:39 PM EDT
[#28]
Depends on the "failure".
If the Warhead just slammed into the earth without the External explosives activating (to crush the core to start the chain reaction) then you'd just get a deep pit with plutonium deep at the bottom. You wouldn't want to climb down in there (given Houston's water table it might be covered in swampy water from the near surface water table or broken water mains) The Worst result would be if it were in a bomber that crashed & burned. The Burning would release a radioactive smoke trail scatting contamination over a wider area (See "Thule Greenland B-52 Crash") BIGGER_HAMMER
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:04:52 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m guessing you’ve never visited Houston. So many reasons Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Say it kicks off. Russia sends nukes. One is aimed at Houston but fails to detonate. It impacts the ground inside the loop. I assume the impact would leave a crater with some resultant damage. What would be the results of the fragmented nuclear material? How big of a radius would be contaminated? Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? I’m guessing you’ve never visited Houston. So many reasons Clearly the Russians would want to break the the Command & Control of US Nuclear Forces by clipping the Chain of Succession if it reached all the way down to our Resident Genius, Representative Shelia Jackson Lee...    BIGGER_HAMMER
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:05:21 PM EDT
[#30]
If it hits the ground and doesnt go off, walk up to it and hit it with a big hammer.
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:14:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Complete dud, it'll be found decades later like the bombs constantly being found in other countries.
Low order det. at low attitude and it's a dirty bomb. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:14:27 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m guessing you’ve never visited Houston. So many reasons Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Say it kicks off. Russia sends nukes. One is aimed at Houston but fails to detonate. It impacts the ground inside the loop. I assume the impact would leave a crater with some resultant damage. What would be the results of the fragmented nuclear material? How big of a radius would be contaminated? Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? I’m guessing you’ve never visited Houston. So many reasons "The stars at night are big and bright" (points microphone at Astrodome Rodeo crowd...) |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:16:42 PM EDT
[#33]
The US dropped 2 in NC. 1 was recovered, the other went balls deep in a swamp and was never found.
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:20:56 PM EDT
[#34]
I would at least hope that he Houston one would detonate.
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:26:35 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they make it to the ground.. they tend to bury themselves pretty deep down into the ground in one piece if they or any part of a charge does not go off. +1 "Honey, the dog dug a fucking hole in the fucking yard again!" Kharn |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:27:57 PM EDT
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 The Full Story of Megaton & the People Who Live There - Fallout 3 Lore |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:29:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the MIRV from the ICBM would make a big hole in the ground since it was going Mach 15 to 20, more likely to bury itself than splatter. there would be some uranium and more plutonium. the plutonium would be more concerning. The impacts seem to be less spectacular than one would imagine.  Peacekeeper ICBM Re-Entry Vehicle Impacts at Kwajalein Atoll (Transfer from original film)  Minuteman III Missile Testing - From California To Kwajalein Atoll |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:30:38 PM EDT
[#38]
Canned sunshine thread
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? If there are two things Russians hate, it's steers and queers. 
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:38:22 PM EDT
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I know they have tested devices, but dont know that there has been a test of a functional RV falling to earth from space and purposely not detonating, so who knows what it might do? Lots of energy in a 500 pound projectile falling white hot at 20,000 mph.
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:46:53 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who DOESN'T want to nuke downtown Houston??? Its the only way to be sure
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:48:42 PM EDT
[#42]
A dud nuke wouldn't contaminate much
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:49:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The impacts seem to be less spectacular than one would imagine.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh96NdcgE2Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWyV6dgbOeEDamn. No " big bada boom." |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:50:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All the target maps show Houston as a target. Probably because it is a population center and a significant part of the US infrastructure. Every target map i have seen is flat out retarded |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:54:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The impacts seem to be less spectacular than one would imagine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh96NdcgE2Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWyV6dgbOeEQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: the MIRV from the ICBM would make a big hole in the ground since it was going Mach 15 to 20, more likely to bury itself than splatter. there would be some uranium and more plutonium. the plutonium would be more concerning. The impacts seem to be less spectacular than one would imagine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh96NdcgE2Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWyV6dgbOeEHoly shit, first video at 53 seconds that second RV went in the same damn crater.  |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 9:59:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They've dropped a few that partially blew up, some in BC Canada, scattered uranium all over on nov. 10 1950 and another was dropped by accident in s. Carolina in 58 when somebody released it manually by accident, explosives went of when it hit the ground....ETA.... Just had the uranium, did not have the "pit" in it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/image-2364213.jpg BoomersDidThis.jpg |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 10:05:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Say it kicks off. Russia sends nukes. One is aimed at Houston but fails to detonate. It impacts the ground inside the loop. I assume the impact would leave a crater with some resultant damage. What would be the results of the fragmented nuclear material? How big of a radius would be contaminated? It would likely be set to air burst anyways. The initiating charge would scatter most of the warhead and if it didn’t go critical there would probably be some localized radiation exposure like a dirty bomb. Just my non-expert opinion. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 10:07:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Say it kicks off. Russia sends nukes. One is aimed at Houston but fails to detonate. It impacts the ground inside the loop. I assume the impact would leave a crater with some resultant damage. What would be the results of the fragmented nuclear material? How big of a radius would be contaminated? Why would Russia want to nuke downtown Houston? |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 10:07:26 PM EDT
[#49]
If a Russian nuke failed to go off we could nuke it ourselves and easily blame Russia. Texas would be better off without Houston.
ETA: Maybe we could take out Austin too. |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 10:17:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every target map i have seen is flat out retarded Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All the target maps show Houston as a target. Probably because it is a population center and a significant part of the US infrastructure. Every target map i have seen is flat out retarded At one point in time long ago, I ran a theater targeting program. You would be amazed all of the random targets we produced over the years after all of the easy targets were all validated. Just because it’s a target doesn’t mean it will ever have a munition allocated to it. |
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