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RATS is a joke to many people. Maybe, maybe for pediatric cases...but even then... Since this will inevitably turn into a tourniquet thread and the associated dick measuring contest, has anyone used the TMT? It’s one of the ones that I haven’t gotten my hands on yet but just learned about them... |
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They’ve always been dirty. Kinda like when they claimed they had some board approval when in reality it was some bullshit group with a similar name/abbreviation as the real board.
https://www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/ |
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What's the difference between the 2? Is the rats junk or is the cat just better? Thanks. Lots of people alive today thanks to CATs. Easy to use. Easy to train. Easy to maintain. Don’t waste your time with anything else unless you plan on getting advanced medical training. (I’m referring to the SOF-T. Another great tourniquet...just not as commonly used.) |
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I used a CAT from my IFAK on a motorcycle rider who was T-boned and had his lower right leg damn-near traumatically amputated. His wife said the med flight guys told her it saved his life. |
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What's the difference between the 2? Is the rats junk or is the cat just better? Thanks. RATS applies pressure over a very narrow area (the width of the string) and relies on the user to correctly stack it and apply enough force while wrapping it around the limb to spread the pressure out over the artery and stop bleeding. The CAT and SOFTT both apply pressure over a much wider area (the width of the strap) which is better for both occlusion of blood flow and preventing nerve and tissue damage. They also don't require the user to wrap them around the limb numerous times, decreasing the chance of making a mistake when putting it on. They're faster and easier to use correctly, which is what you want when seconds count. |
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What's the difference between the 2? Is the rats junk or is the cat just better? Thanks. Every tourniquet failure I have seen is a result of failing to tighten the constricting band enough on initial application (before the windlass is ever touched). I don't see how you could get the RATS tight enough if you were applying it to yourself. On someone else, sure, but I'm not sure how easy it would be. I put a CAT on someone last Tuesday. They work. P.S. be careful with circular saws |
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Lmao the rats is a garbage meme level “tourniquet”. There’s no shortage of garbage fucking products marketed to basement dwellers and airsofters who then try to pass it their garbage off as a real product. I prefer the soft T wide, but I’ve seen saves from a Cat too. |
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Quoted: I'm not an expert, but here goes... RATS applies pressure over a very narrow area (the width of the string) and relies on the user to correctly stack it and apply enough force while wrapping it around the limb to spread the pressure out over the artery and stop bleeding. The CAT and SOFTT both apply pressure over a much wider area (the width of the strap) which is better for both occlusion of blood flow and preventing nerve and tissue damage. They also don't require the user to wrap them around the limb numerous times, decreasing the chance of making a mistake when putting it on. They're faster and easier to use correctly, which is what you want when seconds count. because anything is possible) tighten the RATS enough. The issue is simple, consistent application. |
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I suppose it’s ok if you want the person you use it on to die. Quoted:
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Don't care. Jeff Kirkham is a good guy. Former SF too. Don't blame him for pimping his product. I think I'll buy a couple of RATS for my bag. 
 Seriously, go check out the Readyman YouTube channel, watch a few videos, then come back and see if you can say one nice thing about Jeff Kirkham. I'll even buy a CAT a long with my RATs. Go on. ETA....I see I better put my flame suit on.
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So what’s the best tq for 6 year old girl limbs? Attached File 20 |
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Quoted: No. You can't easily (I won't say absolutely can't, because anything is possible) tighten the RATS enough. The issue is simple, consistent application.
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Quoted: Dang, son...did your momma invent the CAT or something? You seem to be taking this awfully personally. Seriously, go check out the Readyman YouTube channel, watch a few videos, then come back and see if you can say one nice thing about Jeff Kirkham. I'll even buy a CAT a long with my RATs. Go on. I’m talking about the tourniquets. It’s not even a debate. CAT and SOFTT are the best thing going. |
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Quoted: Dang, son...did your momma invent the CAT or something? You seem to be taking this awfully personally. Seriously, go check out the Readyman YouTube channel, watch a few videos, then come back and see if you can say one nice thing about Jeff Kirkham. I'll even buy a CAT a long with my RATs. Go on. ETA....I see I better put my flame suit on. |
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Quoted: Dang, son...did your momma invent the CAT or something? You seem to be taking this awfully personally. Seriously, go check out the Readyman YouTube channel, watch a few videos, then come back and see if you can say one nice thing about Jeff Kirkham. I'll even buy a CAT a long with my RATs. Go on. ETA....I see I better put my flame suit on. That's some class A shady shit right there. |
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Thanks for clarifying. I've never had to use a tourniquet but I've been to several classes and the instructors didn't waste too much time on the RATS or SWAT other than to say not to bother with them. I'll just flip on my right turn signal and get back in my lane now. Quoted:
Quoted: No. You can't easily (I won't say absolutely can't, because anything is possible) tighten the RATS enough. The issue is simple, consistent application. I don't mind the contribution. You're thinking about it, that means you're engaged. And the fact that you're willing to consider things other than the way you feel is good. Wrong feels right when you don't know you're wrong. That's the thing about evidence-based medicine (and not the website shown above, LOL), it means that you go where the evidence leads. The CAT has plenty of evidence to support it's use, and at some point lay people don't need exposure to all the different types of tourniquets out there. Pick a good one that's easy to use and train them on it. Boom, done. |
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Quoted: Dang, son...did your momma invent the CAT or something? You seem to be taking this awfully personally. Seriously, go check out the Readyman YouTube channel, watch a few videos, then come back and see if you can say one nice thing about Jeff Kirkham. I'll even buy a CAT a long with my RATs. Go on. ETA....I see I better put my flame suit on. |
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Go check out the Readyman YT channel, watch some videos, then come back and tell me he's not a good guy. Check out the TwistRate channel too while you're at it. Quoted:
Quoted: This isn't the kind of shit a good guy does, and RATS don't fucking work. As mentioned repeatedly, RATS are a fucking joke. CATs and SOF-Ts are what you want. But what would I know. |
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I’m not saying anything bad about Jeff Kirkham. I haven’t even mentioned him. I’m talking about the tourniquets. It’s not even a debate. CAT and SOFTT are the best thing going. Quoted:
Quoted: Dang, son...did your momma invent the CAT or something? You seem to be taking this awfully personally. Seriously, go check out the Readyman YouTube channel, watch a few videos, then come back and see if you can say one nice thing about Jeff Kirkham. I'll even buy a CAT a long with my RATs. Go on. I’m talking about the tourniquets. It’s not even a debate. CAT and SOFTT are the best thing going. |
Hope he taught the dog to use it.
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Quoted: Dang, son...did your momma invent the CAT or something? You seem to be taking this awfully personally. Seriously, go check out the Readyman YouTube channel, watch a few videos, then come back and see if you can say one nice thing about Jeff Kirkham. I'll even buy a CAT a long with my RATs. Go on. ETA....I see I better put my flame suit on. |