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Posted: 9/6/2023 7:50:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your emotional attachment to handguns is as dumb as your choice in them @cj3waker, some of us can wax poetically about the past while embracing the future. Go touch grass. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 7:53:33 AM EDT
[#2]
I remember when everyone rode a horse....
I'm not going backwards. G19 Master race. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:01:49 AM EDT
[#3]
My sig p6 is so reliable that promags can't choke it. Its not a primary carry anymore, but still do on occasion.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:08:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They still are, Bubba. Listen - you’re never going to be in some Miami Vice style extended shootout with a bad guy. Ain’t gonna happen. Even if you do get involved in a self-defense incident as an armed civilian, the average number of rounds fired in those situations is 2-3. That means even a J-Frame holds twice as many rounds as you will ever statistically need to defend yourself. Anyone who tells you different has something to sell you - whether it’s a gun or clicks on their YouTube video. Stop listening to tactifools. @Narutakikun Two words: Eli Dicken |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:27:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember when everyone rode a horse.... I'm not going backwards. G19 Master race. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:39:44 AM EDT
[#6]
Kahr K9 is in the holster....
Still runs strong and I enjoy its balance. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:45:51 AM EDT
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Quote History4 rounds fired at 40 yards, advanced to 20 yards and fired 4 more then advanced to 7 yards and fired 2. Even an IDPA class D boomer with a J frame and a speed strip would have handled that black swan event. (fire 4 rounds, reload and retain as you advance, fire 4 more, reload and load 2 retained rounds, anchor shot X2) not to mention Eli used ball ammo, JHP could have potentially ended the threat with even fewer rounds. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:49:05 AM EDT
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I loved my p239
Can't remember why I sold it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:50:35 AM EDT
[#9]
The only reason they aren't is because some marketing exec convinced you that they aren't so you had to buy their new fancy gun. Not too long ago cops carried six guns with no speed loaders.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:57:16 AM EDT
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IIRC, there are about a dozen states where magazine capacity is limited by law. Why would somebody in one of those states want to carry a gun sized big enough to carry 15+ rounds when they're limited to 10 or less? The slim, single stack pistols are ideal for those folks.
Plus, they're a lot easier to shoot for people with smaller hands. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:59:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason they aren't is because some marketing exec convinced you that they aren't so you had to buy their new fancy gun. Not too long ago cops carried six guns with no speed loaders. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:13:18 AM EDT
[#12]
The p7 is an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
I stopped carrying mine when I realized how much they had gone up in price. I do not feel unarmed with it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:15:53 AM EDT
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I carry a 7+1 Walther PPS M2 and consider it adequate.
That said, I would love to give the P225/A1 a try for daily carry. Millennial here. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:21:49 AM EDT
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When I can easily carry 17+1 in a compact or micro sized pistol, why would I want to carry less?
True, chances are I'll never need that many rounds. Nostalgia. Great. Practicality. Nah. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:38:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:41:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:44:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the Norco shootout proved why that's bad. Which resulted in the birth of 10mm, which resulted in the birth of .40S&W, which is largely being phased out by modern 9mm. And there are an enormous amount of single stack 9mm pistols that are carried by the millions today, that have near the same capacity as the guns used in that shootout. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:46:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which resulted in the birth of 10mm, which resulted in the birth of .40S&W, which is largely being phased out by modern 9mm. And there are an enormous amount of single stack 9mm pistols that are carried by the millions today, that have near the same capacity as the guns used in that shootout. That was the Miami shootout, the Norco shootout was a bank robbery gone wrong. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:47:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was the Miami shootout, the Norco shootout was a bank robbery gone wrong. I stand corrected. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:48:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which resulted in the birth of 10mm, which resulted in the birth of .40S&W, which is largely being phased out by modern 9mm. And there are an enormous amount of single stack 9mm pistols that are carried by the millions today, that have near the same capacity as the guns used in that shootout. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And the Norco shootout proved why that's bad. Which resulted in the birth of 10mm, which resulted in the birth of .40S&W, which is largely being phased out by modern 9mm. And there are an enormous amount of single stack 9mm pistols that are carried by the millions today, that have near the same capacity as the guns used in that shootout. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:49:42 AM EDT
[#21]
I wanted a Walther P5 so bad when I was a kid. A friend of my dad's had one.
My brother in law still has one of the Firestars. You could beat someone to death with it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:50:07 AM EDT
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If the guns in the OP are all I had for some reason, I wouldn't hesitate to carry one.
Hell, I carried the gen 1 M&P Shield for years. The only difference between it and the guns shown is weight. Would I want to replace my RDS equipped, high capacity micro-9 with these guns? No, but these old guns would still be effective self-defense tools. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:52:11 AM EDT
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Quoted: I recall when guns like these were considered adequate for self-defense. It was before the advent of smart-phones and social media. They all shared similar features. Single stack 9mm guns with a capacity of 8rds or 9rds in the magazine. They were short and light enough to easily conceal carry but still large and heavy enough to be put through a heavy day at the range. Today, they're all horrible considered antiquated and obsolete except for a range oddity. But I recall when guns like these were viewed as being the crème de la crème in the conceal carry world. The only thing that beat it was the GLOCK 19 or the GLOCK 26. But that was combat tupperware. Real folks wanted steel or aluminum. Oh well.... enjoy your micro-compact RDS equipped polymer framed removable FCG 9mm pistols with über magazine capacities. Here are some of the pistols of long, long ago. Before the big boom boom of the Tiktok and the Tide Pods. SIG P239 https://images.guns.com/prod/2020/06/08/5ede66bdf170fb9936dd70fdaa0984f7faab555509934.jpg S&W Model 3913 https://images.guns.com/prod/2019/08/29/58-MODEL%203913-VAL1541-3.jpg Astra A-75 https://images.guns.com/prod/2021/09/20/58-A-75-15626-96A-1.jpg Star Firestar M43 https://images.guns.com/prod/2019/08/30/58-M43%20FIRESTAR-2012719-3.jpg Kahr K9 https://images.guns.com/prod/2020/09/06/58-K9%20ELITE-BF1567-3.jpg Walther P5 https://images.guns.com/prod/2020/11/25/58-P5-101187-1.jpg HK P7M8 https://images.guns.com/prod/2020/12/04/58-P7M8-16-130861-1.jpg Would you carry such a pistol today? Because when these guns were around the whole country was cucked with assault weapons ban. G19 was dead weight. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:54:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps, but why? If the single stack is m/l the same size and weight as a double stack, and the double stack is reliable, what's the advantage of fewer rounds of the same caliber in the magazine? Granted, I'm young enough that wondernines hit the market before I could legally carry, so that may skew my perspective. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would you carry such a pistol today? Perhaps, but why? If the single stack is m/l the same size and weight as a double stack, and the double stack is reliable, what's the advantage of fewer rounds of the same caliber in the magazine? Granted, I'm young enough that wondernines hit the market before I could legally carry, so that may skew my perspective. Kinda where I'm at. Wonder nines were alive and well by the time I was buying and carrying stuff. My first carry gun was a Kahr CW9 that a buddy gave me for helping him out with some stuff, but if I'm carrying a single stack today it's my G42 due to needing something smaller and lighter based on my clothing. If I can hide something bigger than the G42 it'll be the G26 or G19. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:57:14 AM EDT
[#25]
I bought a P239 the day after I turned 21 in 2012.
I carried it until 2019 when Sig discontinued them along with parts support. Still do occasionally, but I replaced it with a P-01 for ordinary use. Comfortable to carry, comfortable and easy to shoot; I'd have no issue carrying it today aside from limited replacement parts and expensive magazines. Mine is a .40 though  |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:58:33 AM EDT
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and back when muscle cars had 250hp
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Posted: 9/6/2023 10:10:15 AM EDT
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Actually had and carried an Astra A75.
Good God that thing weighed a ton. H |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 10:13:14 AM EDT
[#28]
One my favorite guns ever was a Sig p-232, I carry a Sig 938 now most of the time.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 11:44:39 AM EDT
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Carry a spare reload.
If the average number of rounds used in a defensive shooting is between 3 and 4, then yes. It is adequate. Even a 5 shot .38 snub is adequate in most incidents. Carry a speed loader/strip if you need more. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 11:54:07 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never had any interest in those things. If I was gonna carry a metal gun the size of a Glock 19 back in the day, it was gonna be a Para Ordnance P12 alloy .45. CZ-75 compact. Some are Alloy. FIE/Tanfoglio made some variants too. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 11:59:15 AM EDT
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I'd rather have a low-cap 9mm than a .22, which some people seem to think is adequate for self-defense....
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Posted: 9/6/2023 12:20:49 PM EDT
[#32]
I still regularly carry a S&W442, 5-shot .38 Spl I shoot well & fast.
Or, G43. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 12:54:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I carry this thing every so often. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/350579/20230804_143427_jpg-2943630.JPG Sweet !!!!! You dear sir have taste. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:08:39 PM EDT
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I carry my .40 cal. P239, all summer long. It’s no big deal for me to put an additional magazine in my pocket. It’s super comfortable with an Alien Gear IWB holster, and a good belt.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:12:57 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I wouldn't. That was before leftist riots, millions of violent cartel shit stains streaming across the border and deposited in every city in the country, prosecutors letting violent criminals off the hook, the promotion of the hating of white people, violent middle east imports, and hurricane Katrina spreading new Orleans thugs into my city. That was back when my governor was my friend and not the guy encouraging and allowing the violent destruction of my state. I don’t think 10 rounds vs 17 rounds is gonna save you from millions of cartel members storming your house. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:14:53 PM EDT
[#36]
All I want is a Sig 239 SAO that takes P365 Macro mags.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:26:01 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Czechers, no clue if it TX DPS gun. But I got one from one of the big online surplus dealers. It is a .40 S&W model with the SRT package. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @Miami_JBT Did you manage to score one of the Texas DPS P239 trade-ins when they hit the market? It was bad timing for me but now I'm thinking I should've sold a kidney for a P239 and P220 TXDPS trade in when I had the chance  They had some sort of distinctive marking, IIRC the P239's had the Peso Badge outline. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:28:07 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I loved my p239 Can't remember why I sold it. Usually its slide bite for anyone with man sized hands that sends these packing IIRC |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:32:29 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They had some sort of distinctive marking, IIRC the P239's had the Peso Badge outline. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:35:33 PM EDT
[#40]
Yes. I carried a model 39 S&W with an 8 shot mag and thought it was an upgrade from my 6 shot off duty revolver. Not to mention it reloaded faster with the change of a mag.
Now that double stack mag guns are available I don’t get why people want single stack anything. Hell, I carry a 17 round mag in my G19 |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:41:27 PM EDT
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The only consideration I would give capacity is civil unrest vs armed assault/robbery. We don't do gang crime here, so it would probably take the zombies from Spokane coming up Highway 2 for me to swap over to a high-cap pistol. And that's assuming any of them are left after Newport, Priest River and Laclede get their punches in first.
I bought the P229 compact with just that thought in mind. Y'alls sentimental attachment to older Sigs is understandable, but you really ought to borrow an SAO Legion and give it a whirl.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:41:45 PM EDT
[#42]
I miss my P239's. Friendly reminder, never sell guns.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 3:00:04 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: I recall when guns like these were considered adequate for self-defense. It was before the advent of smart-phones and social media. They all shared similar features. Single stack 9mm guns with a capacity of 8rds or 9rds in the magazine. They were short and light enough to easily conceal carry but still large and heavy enough to be put through a heavy day at the range. Today, they're all horrible considered antiquated and obsolete except for a range oddity. But I recall when guns like these were viewed as being the crème de la crème in the conceal carry world. The only thing that beat it was the GLOCK 19 or the GLOCK 26. But that was combat tupperware. Real folks wanted steel or aluminum. Oh well.... enjoy your micro-compact RDS equipped polymer framed removable FCG 9mm pistols with über magazine capacities. Here are some of the pistols of long, long ago. Before the big boom boom of the Tiktok and the Tide Pods. SIG P239 https://images.guns.com/prod/2020/06/08/5ede66bdf170fb9936dd70fdaa0984f7faab555509934.jpg S&W Model 3913 https://images.guns.com/prod/2019/08/29/58-MODEL%203913-VAL1541-3.jpg Astra A-75 https://images.guns.com/prod/2021/09/20/58-A-75-15626-96A-1.jpg Star Firestar M43 https://images.guns.com/prod/2019/08/30/58-M43%20FIRESTAR-2012719-3.jpg Kahr K9 https://images.guns.com/prod/2020/09/06/58-K9%20ELITE-BF1567-3.jpg Walther P5 https://images.guns.com/prod/2020/11/25/58-P5-101187-1.jpg HK P7M8 https://images.guns.com/prod/2020/12/04/58-P7M8-16-130861-1.jpg Would you carry such a pistol today? Sorry OP, those were antiquated by the first 9mm, double-stack, polymer, micro-compact.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 3:56:58 PM EDT
[#44]
Bought a p239 a few years ago I love that gun.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 5:49:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason they aren't is because some marketing exec convinced you that they aren't so you had to buy their new fancy gun. Not too long ago cops carried six guns with no speed loaders. Try that and let me know how it works for you these days. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 7:41:11 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, the G19 has been replaced by the G43X MOS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I remember when everyone rode a horse.... I'm not going backwards. G19 Master race. Only on ARFCOM, not the real world. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 7:46:52 PM EDT
[#47]
I remember those days:
S&W 3914 Sig 225 Detonics Pocket 9 (now THAT thing was heavy) |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:25:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only on ARFCOM, not the real world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I remember when everyone rode a horse.... I'm not going backwards. G19 Master race. Only on ARFCOM, not the real world. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 8:16:49 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Remyrw, how do you like your Officer's Model? I've never seen the need to get one since I have a Star PD .45. Mine is a Kimber Ultra Shadow LE II, so not an official Colt officer's model. Great carry gun, but definitely not state of the art. lol |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 8:25:58 AM EDT
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Had a few in the op, only have the p7m8 left.
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