That's a very poor reply.  If you're gonna spend this much time arguing in this thread you should at least put forth some effort to defend your argument.

All I asked is what necessitates disarming a citizen. Pretty simple. Sorry to fluster you

It looks like CJ has cleaned up his act in recent years and actually started doing some good but this was two 'tards passing in the night. Officer misshandled this situation and CJ got the shitstorm he was looking for that day...

-Former LEO.

And as I've posted earlier there are several reasons/circumstances where it's justified for a cop to disarm a citizen.
You're not capable of flustering me.

Do what you are told peasants!!!! The police never make a mistake!!!!

I'm beginning to wonder if ryann isn't Dave_A's new account.

When he or she is able to articulate facts that indicate to a reasonable person that a crime has been or will be committed. It's really not rocket surgery.

That sounds like you could reasonably articulate a reason you believed his actions might indicate he had committed a crime. Please indicate similar facts about the OP that indicate a crime had been committed.

Juror Speaks Out From Master Sgt C.J. Grisham Trial (DC Exclusive)
Posted By: Phoenix Pizgattion: October 21, 2013In: News Print Email

A DontComply.com Exclusive – DC has obtained a exclusive interview from Mr. Cotterill a Juror in the trial of Master Sergeant C.J. Grisham.  Mr Cotterill gives us a deep inside look into the trial, a new understanding of the outcome and why one Juror held out ending in a hung jury.

“This charge I felt was garbage”  ,  “Both of these men, Grisham and Officer Ermis, they’re both human but they are also both Heros” – Mr. Cotterill

“Master Sergeant C.J. Grisham, prominent military blogger and founder of A Soldier’s Perspective, is currently embroiled in a battle to defend his second amendment rights. On March 16, 2013, C.J. was arrested in his hometown of Temple, Texas, for “rudely displaying” a hunting rifle while on a hike with his 15-year-old son. C.J., who is stationed at nearby Fort Hood, holds a permit for the weapon he was openly carrying that day, which is legal in the right-to-carry state of Texas as long as it does not cause alarm. Since the story broke, many Americans have been stunned by the video footage of the arrest, which was filmed by both C.J. and his son.” – A Soldier’s Perspective

By Matthew Short

https://www.dontcomply.com/juror-speaks-out-from-master-sgt-c-j-grisham-trial-dc-exclusive/

You don't need to justify all his actions to wipe your ass with the Constitution. You shouldn't be defending any of his actions.

What does the "victims" prior military service have to do with this or any of his other capers?

I do. That is, I see nothing wrong with driving past and, although I think a reasonable person would find it unnecessary, the cop can certainly talk to them, but until he finds something that indicates a crime, he can fuck right off. And reticence to answer stupid, nosy questions is not indicative of a crime.

To unpack that further, the cop CAN stop and talk to anyone. But the attitude that he should just because the guy had a gun is a poor attitude for a cop to have.

I spend a fair amount of time in the woods with my AR (Hunting, backpacking, and camping) in CA no less. When I have my AR out there, I keep it broken down in a frame pack until I get out into the wilderness. Why? Because I understand that it might frighten some people on a trail or in a parking lot, and it is inviting the man into my life.

Is it legal for that man to walk down the road and carry an AR? From what I gather, yes. But dude, concealed means concealed. Lots of things are legal, it dosen't mean they are all good ideas.

Yep, evidently OP feels we do not have enough new shit to argue about.  Reminds me of my wife.

You seem to have implied it can be justified on a whim and without reason. Just trying to clarify.

We can have both. And we can also recognize that police today are almost certainly much better behaved than 30 years ago. Because they know we are watching, but also because departments are training better and policing their own better. It just looks like there are a bunch of self important bullies because the few that exist are much more visible.

Those are the magic words I’m trying to get him to spit out

Ol' first sarge was trolling there, and he caught a big one.  I'm surprised a cop in Texas would take the exact approach that one did in the environment in which this scenario occurred.  Ol' sarge was looking for action and so was the cop.  Both are at fault to some degree for sure, but the cop is the one who's supposed to have his emotions in control.  Therefore I award the cop more negative points for allowing this thing to get to the level it did.  A large element of being a successful cop is how you handle people, diffuse situations, and stay on an even keel.  Sure, there are times when the first action and the first sound is not talking...it's gunfire, or fists, or a taser.  However, those are few and far between...but...if you want to survive, a cop has to consider every call and contact a potential danger.  That's a funky balancing act in a "free society".

Everyone's an expert in case like this.  And many on both sides of the arguments here might fail if they were actually in Ol' sarge's shoes or the cop's.  In this case we know the actual background to Ol' sarge's situation, and that he is not a threat to the officer.  You don't have that luxury in most calls.  This could just as easily been a case where Ol' sarge and the missus had a big argument where he just killed her.  Ol' sarge is now marching little Johnny away from the scene with his AR dangling from his neck when...Oooops!...here comes the popo.  You can fill in the blanks with all kinds of scenarios.  It's not as easy as it looks...seldom is.  Still, I fault this officer to a large degree for his demeanor and lack of people skill in the interaction.

True enough... Common sense isn't so common, so it's often better to try to avoid drawing attention to yourself. Especially when you've got assholes wearing badges in your locale.

It doesn't matter whether or not it's illegal, it's whether or not the cop thinks it's illegal. And they say ignorance of the law is no excuse... Those dipshits need their immunity yanked so they get sued good and proper before they kill someone or get themselves killed, because it's only a matter of time before those types fuck with someone who refuses to get fucked when they aren't in the wrong.

It certainly seemed that you were with all that prattling about Terry. At which point do you think the cop began acting like a douchebag and/or illegally?

Yeah, I live in America, and I carry what arms I wish, when I wish. I carry an AR out to my truck every morning and into my home every night. I often carry a rifle while hiking, fishing, camping, etc. I have never been hassled by a cop about it.

If all he's got is personal attacks, that's all he's got.  Just like his other comment trying to suggest I support ANTIFA terrorists, which cause me to wonder why he still has posting privileges here, since he's obviously not capable of abiding by the code of conduct.

Strangely enough, my personal friends include many law enforcement officers at all levels and sizes of agencies, from street cops to police chiefs, small rural Texas agencies to LAPD, DEA, FBI, and Federal Air Marshals.  But they're all capable of discussing things without devolving to personal attacks.

Uhhh dude, didn't you accuse me of wanting to expand government at the expense of civil liberties in response to a point I was trying to make?

this is where you lost any credibility you may have had.  a ghost gun?  seriously?  do us all a favor and stay in new york.

Which may I add, are also legal in TX.

Serious question-what is a ghost gun?
Never mind googled it

80 percenter (or 0 percenter) that you milled. Libtards came up with the retarded phrase tho, some kind of buzzword to induce fright into the public. Normal shit they're always up to.

Kiss the ring peasant.

fuck that.  if its legal then mind your own damn business.

Says the guy worried about ghost guns.

What a piece of shit cop. Reaches out, completely unprovoked and grabs the dudes rifle.

Oh look there are pages and pages of JBT bootlickers here to defend him.

Grisham was never afraid to stand up to bullies and it bit him in the ass more than a few times. He was a pretty well known (in the mil blog world) mil blogger and was at the White House to discuss mil bloggingwith 2 different presidents.

First he butted heads with a school board and they arocked him. His CoC got involved and tried to shut him down but he fought that and won.

Then he got into it with Michael Yon. Basically, Grisham suspected that Yon was either lying, or regurgitating untrue info being fed to him when writing his 'dispatches' about Iraq and Afghanistan (that he wrote from Thailand). Grisham set Yon up, sent him a email under a fake name with some pretty outlandish stories and Yon wrote about it, claiming he had multiple sources. Grisham revealed what happened and Yon has been cyberstalking and encouraging his readers to arock him for about 8 years now. It's actually kinda pathetic.

Also, sometime during all of this, he wrote a blog post critical of Obama and that's what finally got him shut down by the Army.

^^^^  True on Terry v Ohio...  However there is this whole other called...  

Pretty disgusting.

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