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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:50:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:51:18 PM EDT
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Factor weather into that equation and see what happens.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:55:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Factor weather into that equation and see what happens. 
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:57:23 PM EDT
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Tennessee and Iowa if withdrawing from qualified account.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:57:46 PM EDT
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Missouri for sure.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:00:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Factor weather into that equation and see what happens. I grew up in Maine and lived in NW Michigan before move out here. I thought was an expert at winter until I moved out here 12 years ago, it's a whole different kind suck here. For such a sparsely populated state, the real estate costs were another shocker, especially if you want something with some acreage and somewhere scenic. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:01:20 AM EDT
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Where my family is. TX. At that point, I won't give a damn about anything else.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:01:23 AM EDT
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There’s a reason no one lives in WY, aside from miners, ranchers and sex offenders. It’s really an awful state, barren, cold and windy. A few parts look decent enough, but they’re even more expensive than wherever you’re trying to escape from, at which point taxes don’t seem to matter. Most of it sucks balls.
IMO, 2A is a higher priority than taxes, but below overall cost of living. If you just look at states with low or no income tax, they usually will have higher property or sales taxes, so it evens out. But if a median home price is $500K+, compared to $300K in a different state, the couple of percentage points in income tax aren’t as important anymore. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:01:41 AM EDT
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You have to include cost of living in this equation.
For example, Mississippi has a state income tax (and great gun laws)....but is so cheap to live in most areas, you could still come out ahead of a no tax state. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:04:07 AM EDT
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Not so much about perfect state but rather the perfect town.
Fuck cities. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:09:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s a reason no one lives in WY, aside from miners, ranchers and sex offenders. It’s really an awful state, barren, cold and windy. A few parts look decent enough, but they’re even more expensive than wherever you’re trying to escape from, at which point taxes don’t seem to matter. Most of it sucks balls. IMO, 2A is a higher priority than taxes, but below overall cost of living. If you just look at states with low or no income tax, they usually will have higher property or sales taxes, so it evens out. But if a median home price is $500K+, compared to $300K in a different state, the couple of percentage points in income tax aren’t as important anymore. Folks interested in WY really need to spend a few there in Winter before formulating a move. There was good reasoning behind why my brother built his place in the SE side of a hill. He also had six heavy hinges on his mud room door. A house about a quarter mile north of him he called "The Spring House". It caught the full brunt of fhe 8 months of winter. Got it's name because it always had a For Sale sign every Spring.  |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:10:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Factor weather into that equation and see what happens. Weather, access to basic services, like quality medical care. Something to do, other than sitting around and waiting to die. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:10:49 AM EDT
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Will you send me standard (high capacity mags)?
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:13:59 AM EDT
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It's often not just the 2A. Only one state has a guaranteed protection of jury nullification.
The overall attitude difference can be worth a lot more than just the 2A. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:19:13 AM EDT
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Hard to beat NH, and we need all the conservative Republican voters we can get. Make sure you you leave any city values, city demand for services, city attitudes, city expectations, etc back where you came from.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:19:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Folks interested in WY really need to spend a few there in Winter before formulating a move. There was good reasoning behind why my brother built his place in the SE side of a hill. He also had six heavy hinges on his mud room door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There’s a reason no one lives in WY, aside from miners, ranchers and sex offenders. It’s really an awful state, barren, cold and windy. A few parts look decent enough, but they’re even more expensive than wherever you’re trying to escape from, at which point taxes don’t seem to matter. Most of it sucks balls. IMO, 2A is a higher priority than taxes, but below overall cost of living. If you just look at states with low or no income tax, they usually will have higher property or sales taxes, so it evens out. But if a median home price is $500K+, compared to $300K in a different state, the couple of percentage points in income tax aren’t as important anymore. Folks interested in WY really need to spend a few there in Winter before formulating a move. There was good reasoning behind why my brother built his place in the SE side of a hill. He also had six heavy hinges on his mud room door. I know plenty of people who’ve retired from and left WY to go to many other, warmer places, some more expensive. I don’t know any who’ve moved there in their older years. There’s nothing good there and the weather is not good even in the summer. Not that it’s an “epidemic” like the media wants you to believe, but there’s a reason states like WY, AK and MT are always at the top of suicide stats. The cold and isolation will drive you mad, and there’s nothing else to occupy yourself with, aside from drinking and meth. Some places look better on paper than they do in reality. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:21:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Folks interested in WY really need to spend a few there in Winter before formulating a move. There was good reasoning behind why my brother built his place in the SE side of a hill. He also had six heavy hinges on his mud room door. A house about a quarter mile north of him he called "The Spring House". It caught the full brunt of fhe 8 months of winter. Got it's name because it always had a For Sale sign every Spring. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There’s a reason no one lives in WY, aside from miners, ranchers and sex offenders. It’s really an awful state, barren, cold and windy. A few parts look decent enough, but they’re even more expensive than wherever you’re trying to escape from, at which point taxes don’t seem to matter. Most of it sucks balls. IMO, 2A is a higher priority than taxes, but below overall cost of living. If you just look at states with low or no income tax, they usually will have higher property or sales taxes, so it evens out. But if a median home price is $500K+, compared to $300K in a different state, the couple of percentage points in income tax aren’t as important anymore. Folks interested in WY really need to spend a few there in Winter before formulating a move. There was good reasoning behind why my brother built his place in the SE side of a hill. He also had six heavy hinges on his mud room door. A house about a quarter mile north of him he called "The Spring House". It caught the full brunt of fhe 8 months of winter. Got it's name because it always had a For Sale sign every Spring. I didn’t mind the cold, and I didn’t mind risking my life on the icy highways. I actually Liked the challenge of flying in the weather and landing in 29 gusting to 49 knots. But it was the incessant Sound of the wind howling that got to me. That, and the general bleakness of it all. There are beautiful areas, but either too expensive, or no jobs, or both. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:22:33 AM EDT
[#18]
Mississippi
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:23:40 AM EDT
[#19]
Alaska has low taxes but a very high cost of living.
 10 Cheapest States to Retire 2023 |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:26:22 AM EDT
[#20]
Even if you find a favorable state, many times it comes down to the individual counties as far as tax rates go.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:26:22 AM EDT
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Most of the west is pretty expensive, also some middle America and western cities, even small ones, have Baltimore level murder rates. Right outside the city might be really nice areas of farms, small towns and forests.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:46:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Factor weather into that equation and see what happens. FL has hurricanes. Snow is nice, I just want the short snow season. Places I would consider but much more research must happen before I even go look. TN (eastern), FL, ME (close to coast), SD (Black Hills), WY, AK (close to coast), UT, ID, have family as a factor |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:59:45 AM EDT
[#23]
Good thoughts so far. Keep em coming. Having just turned 48, I want to start putting plans in place for retirement location.
I am born and raised PA, and I love PA, but this state is falling and as soon as they get their hands on both sides of the legislature, that's the end of our 2A here. Plus taxes suck. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 1:40:35 AM EDT
[#24]
I can attest that WY is crazy expensive if you want to live anywhere decent.
Clapped out trailer on acerage or mcmansion on nothing for 800k. Those are your choices. Nobody is selling stuff you want to move to. There aren't enough houses to sell. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 1:42:30 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to avoid Florida. Interested as well. Fuck this place. Maybe Tennessee? |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 1:54:29 AM EDT
[#26]
Wyoming is a good call. No state taxes and as much 2a freedom as you'll find anywhere. If you can put up with the wind, the winters and the isolation, it's perfect.
I'm ready to go someplace warm. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 1:59:09 AM EDT
[#27]
Tax wise it would have to be NH in New England
SS and pensions aren't taxed Only thing is housing or land isn't that cheap |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 2:01:41 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wyoming is a good call. No state taxes and as much 2a freedom as you'll find anywhere. If you can put up with the wind, the winters and the isolation, it's perfect. I'm ready to go someplace warm. NC ? |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 2:45:18 AM EDT
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Indiana is overall a pretty decent state. IIRC the state senate is 40R-10d and the state house is 70R-30d, every statewide office is R and we have good gun laws. There seems to be a red flag-ish law from around 2005 (guy shot some cops). No permit needed to carry anymore but you can get a CHL for reciprocity. One side is Illinois
 and Michigan is starting to play the retard game. I haven't heard anything about them pulling reciprocity; gun laws seem ok if you just want to camp up north. Ohio and Kentucky are sane enough, for the most part. We're a tall enough state you can choose from a north-lite or southern-ish clime. I got fingerprinted a while back to apply for other states' permits and the police sergeant told me that most of our cities and bigger towns vote R; I haven't verified that. My town of about ~2000 has about 7-8 churches, 1 bar, two restaurants and 1 gun store. He's great but it's a small store; I'll buy from him but usually transfer lowers from the next town over (3 transfers for $25). Lots of neighbors with American and DTOM flags and lots of trucks with flags in the summer. There's also a few nice to great parks about a half hour drive from me to go for a hike or mountain bike a horse trail. I need to get back up to the Dunes before summer hits and everyone else goes, haven't been there in years but have fond memories. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 2:52:51 AM EDT
[#30]
TX or TN.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 3:21:01 AM EDT
[#31]
Every place has some good things and some bad things. You should start with what things that you like to do and factor that in because being happy is worth some expense.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 3:26:06 AM EDT
[#32]
Not Nevada any more
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Posted: 4/3/2023 3:48:55 AM EDT
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Retirees must also factor in health care. I had to travel 60 miles to have my hip fixed. The logistics were a bit daunting.
And poorer states have poorer doctors. NM and Idaho both have to bribe med school grads to move there: "work here xx years and we'll pay your school loans." |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 4:40:22 AM EDT
[#34]
FL starting July 1 is permitless concealed-only carry. Property taxes are cheaper compared to GA. Weather wise, if you enjoy heatt and humidity, it sure beats frozen and cold. Cost of living is on the rise and property isn't cheap.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 5:36:25 AM EDT
[#35]
Howsabout you work on fixing your fuckin state?
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Posted: 4/3/2023 5:37:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Howsabout you work on fixing your fuckin state? I do a lot to stem the tide. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 5:38:41 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will you send me standard (high capacity mags)? |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 5:51:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about fucking your own face? I do a lot to stem the tide. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Howsabout you work on fixing your fuckin state? I do a lot to stem the tide.  Attached FileDudes too ashamed to even list his state lmao |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:03:55 AM EDT
[#39]
Yeah, Wyoming sounds like the right choice.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:04:54 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to beat NH, and we need all the conservative Republican voters we can get. Make you you leave any city values, city demand for services, city attitudes, city expectations, etc back where you came from. +1 The only deal-breaker is the weather. But that does add in some interesting outdoor activities. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:14:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to avoid Florida. FL is getting unaffordable on a daily cost of living basis. Factor in real estate and overwhelmed infrastructure (and cranky, entitled, all about me old fucks—and I’m 64) and QOL suffers. We would be in NC full time already if not for the wife’s family and job. And, it’s already summertime hot in SWFL. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:19:41 AM EDT
[#42]
I'm all about 2A. (I never open carry)
I dislike winter. Here I am, after 54 years in KY. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:22:10 AM EDT
[#43]
South Carolina
Taxes, climate, pro-2A, beaches, mountains, etc. The problem(s) is/are all the liberal mindset northerners moving down here and, to some degree, even the halfbacks coming up from Florida. They're changing things here unfortunately. Our culture is being ripped apart. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:24:10 AM EDT
[#44]
FL TN TX are the short list when you also factor medical and weather. While not my cup of tea, there's real appeal to a city like The Villages for the socialization aspects as well.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:26:07 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 The only deal-breaker is the weather. But that does add in some interesting outdoor activities. I love changing seasons.., hence tongue in cheek "trying to avoid FL," but if I'm looking for a good retiree tax situation + 2A friendliness, then things like heat/cold/snow/etc are secondary. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:26:41 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FL TN TX are the short list when you also factor medical and weather. While not my cup of tea, there's real appeal to a city like The Villages for the socialization aspects as well. I'll take a look at TN too. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:43:42 AM EDT
[#47]
TN, MO, and UT are all on my short list.
While I do like the change in seasons, I’m tired of Chicago winters. And definitely tired of Illinois politics. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:55:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: What states offer tax friendliness for retirement while being very 2A friendly? I'm coming up with Wyoming. Who else? I would think it’s too cold for much gardening and not too many good hospitals. Cost of heating for the winters probably high. I’m sure it’s nice there but it’s been years since I’ve been there |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:58:25 AM EDT
[#49]
I would say WV. We have lots of little taxes, but overall our tax burden is pretty low. And its getting better.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 6:59:09 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where my family is. TX. At that point, I won't give a damn about anything else. But then you would have to live in Texas.  Attached File |
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