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Posted: 4/2/2017 5:04:29 PM EDT
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Has this picture been posted? Cause it has it all... http://i39.tinypic.com/2lkbjty.jpg This post is dedicated to bad ass small arms, other than FALs since that was already covered) These guns have a story to tell https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ff/6b/28/ff6b284e3619e186a0bcb0799a059e35.jpg https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2009/09/RHODNo5-1.jpg I'll see your sawn off RPD and raise you twin Brownings (must have been a bitch to balance on the mount) http://selousscouts.tripod.com/rac14.jpg G3s/CETMEs were pretty common, have been in a couple of posts. Was it Portuguese influence? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/5b/c3/fe/5bc3fe115fb4cf7dcd9eb0a04dc2bb10.jpg I'd love to hear the story behind this https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/55313/OrigAR10inRhodesia001-zps1b8c3897-179585.JPG And yes I would love to know the story of the scope-less M21 in your last pic... |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 5:30:59 PM EDT
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Yeah the G3's came from Mozambique, some AR-10's as well And yes I would love to know the story of the scope-less M21 in your last pic... |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 5:33:09 PM EDT
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The picture of the guy with the AR carbine is from an article in Combat Illustrated IIRC. He was an American who could not serve in the US Army due to medical problems. He went to Rhodesia and did security work. He partnered with a German and a Portuguese for some work. The German carried a FN FAL and the Portuguese carried an M-1 Garand IIRC. It's been almost 40 years since that article came out in the magazine. On a small side note, I use to do military models in my youth. A figure I made using the old Airfix 1/32 scale figure sets of a RLI trooper won in it's category at the IPMS Jax contest in the early 80's. |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 5:51:47 PM EDT
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I remember that article from way back, have also seen the pics a few times. Rhodesian modeling seems to be pretty popular. Do you have any pics of the figure? 
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Posted: 4/2/2017 6:22:32 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, no. I went in the AF and don't remember what happened to most of my models I do have a copy of a modeling magazine that did an article on the contest with a few pictures of my other models. It's mentioned in the awards category. What's odd is it won in the "Fantasy" category as I guess they couldn't figure out what "RLI Trooper" meant. I guess I was modeling Rhodesian stuff before it was hip. 
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Posted: 4/2/2017 6:36:12 PM EDT
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So, in your avatar you the guy on the left or the guy on the right? |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 6:43:33 PM EDT
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makes sense, how come Nigeria and Kenya didn't devolve into total shit shows though? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Namibia is also the same mindset. SWAPO still runs it but they've left the Marxist dogma for the most part. Also you have Boers now moving to Mozambique for the same reason. They see the industry. Hell, that's why Katanga tried to split off from the Congo. They knew without Belgians and othr Europeans they wouldn't have the industry and the skill to run said industry. But the USSR through the UN ended that. I think main issue with decolonialization in general was that it happened waaay too fast in Africa. In places with populations that were literate and had a reasonable level of culture it generally didn't work out too badly (i.e. parts of Asia (singapore in particular)), India was a bit dicey at first but it also mostly worked out. Africa, with largely illiterate populations and no history of a middle class or self rule was predictably a shit show. But the brits couldn't really afford the empire after the war, especially after India left, Africa was a net loss for them. Had the Brits colonized Africa 100 years prior, or stayed another 50 years or so and tried to actually educate and uplift the populace and build more infrastructure I think it would have worked out differently. |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 6:50:04 PM EDT
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Erm, Nigeria had an almost immediate religious issue, followed by military coups, tribal persecutions, the biafran war, and then military rule. They've been a democracy since 1999, really, but still have major issues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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makes sense, how come Nigeria and Kenya didn't devolve into total shit shows though? Yeah, major shit 
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Posted: 4/2/2017 6:54:24 PM EDT
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If the African disturbances of the later 20th century have taught me one thing, it's that the competency, extent of training, and excellence of arms of the minority population, regardless of how capable they are, is utterly irrelevant in the end. And if anything, it amplifies and incurs envy and hatred of the barbarous majority population. It's a very depressing lesson. |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 6:55:54 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, no. I went in the AF and don't remember what happened to most of my models I do have a copy of a modeling magazine that did an article on the contest with a few pictures of my other models. It's mentioned in the awards category. What's odd is it won in the "Fantasy" category as I guess they couldn't figure out what "RLI Trooper" meant. I guess I was modeling Rhodesian stuff before it was hip. |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 7:06:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2017 7:17:21 PM EDT
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I think that sums things up nicely. The fact that you think those two countries have been models of stability and democracy post independence proves your ignorance of the topic. |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 7:22:09 PM EDT
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Time to watch Wild Geese.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 8:32:27 PM EDT
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Going to war with a chest rig, canteen, shorts and chuck taylors?
Does life get any better than that? I doubt it. |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 8:32:41 PM EDT
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Page 9 needs a pic post...
this is dedicated to Rhodesian Field Gear and Uniforms (besides short shorts) The Rhodesian Chest rig 
In use in the USA looks like 
In the Field 
Fire Force Vest  Attached FileIn the field, there were multiple versions of this 
Rhodesian Rucksack, or maybe South African made 
I'm gonna pause this post because I'm running in to a whole lot of airsoft stuff |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 8:39:44 PM EDT
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RLI Demobilization
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Posted: 4/2/2017 9:20:33 PM EDT
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The second picture in the OP makes it look like they only had pants in one length. ask me how I know... 
One the bright side, it will only happen to you ONCE and never again 
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Posted: 4/2/2017 9:21:10 PM EDT
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So here's a topic for discussion. I finished Chris Cocks' Fireforce a few weeks ago and something struck me as odd. At several points Cocks compared it to Vietnam in that he didn't know what any of them were fighting for and politicians were sending boys to die for nothing. At the time was this not seen as a fight for the countries survival? In contrast, I sat for a talk by a Vietnam vet once, and someone asked him about drug use and he was certain it was only done away from the front, by supply guys. Because if you did that out in the jungle you'd get you and you team killed. Tim Bax also never gave me any indication of drug use that I can recal. |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 11:12:53 PM EDT
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One of the Polish T-55's supplied by the South Africans. IIRC the crews used the AK's that came with the tanks.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 11:22:46 PM EDT
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I was surprised he (SaigamanTX) was not the OP |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 11:43:24 PM EDT
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well I have found the ultimate Rhodesian picture thread, and it ain't on ARF
also see that SOF has a lot of their old Rhodesia articles online |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 11:59:20 PM EDT
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If the African disturbances of the later 20th century have taught me one thing, it's that the competency, extent of training, and excellence of arms of the minority population, regardless of how capable they are, is utterly irrelevant in the end. And if anything, it amplifies and incurs envy and hatred of the barbarous majority population. It's a very depressing lesson. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 12:15:26 AM EDT
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One of my best friends: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3XseOHJedaw/VsBIFI5wk0I/AAAAAAAAC1Y/CP2EbeTYU30/s1600/lt-chomps-fleetwood-lurlers-ridge-entumbane.jpg A company 1-RAR. His description of this battle is less clinical and far more interesting. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:35:04 AM EDT
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Take the outside political pressure out of the equation and the end result may be much different.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the African disturbances of the later 20th century have taught me one thing, it's that the competency, extent of training, and excellence of arms of the minority population, regardless of how capable they are, is utterly irrelevant in the end. And if anything, it amplifies and incurs envy and hatred of the barbarous majority population. It's a very depressing lesson. One other thing to consider is that IMO Rhodesia suffers from what i like to call the IDF effect. I.e. for many years the IDF was viewed as this uber army because they won against seemingly incredible odds. And then other nations started fighting Arab armies in the middle east and that whole viewpoint was revised. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 11:50:01 AM EDT
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Rhodesian INTAF (Internal Affairs)
 Attached FileMen from a Farm Protection Unit (BRENs saw some use too)  Attached FileAmerican serving with the Guard Force  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:13:11 PM EDT
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Rhodesian INTAF (Internal Affairs) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/INTAF-179963.JPG Men from a Farm Protection Unit (BRENs saw some use too) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/Farm-Protection-179965.JPG American serving with the Guard Force https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/Rhodesia-1-179966.JPG #1 we realize that the plain clothes police were probably toting a lot of the strange SMGs #2 we are reminded how crappy the logistical situation is, because that is a .303 BREN being used beside a .308 FAL - the Guard Forces and independent companies probably got the short end of the stick. #3 We realize in general that there was a lot going on beside the RLI and Selous Scouts who get most of the attention. I can remember that picture from this book that was very influential in my youth. I'm sure you enjoyed posting it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:27:24 PM EDT
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#3 We realize in general that there was a lot going on beside the RLI and Selous Scouts who get most of the attention. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:34:20 PM EDT
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Several cool things in those pics... #1 we realize that the plain clothes police were probably toting a lot of the strange SMGs #2 we are reminded how crappy the logistical situation is, because that is a .303 BREN being used beside a .308 FAL - the Guard Forces and independent companies probably got the short end of the stick. #3 We realize in general that there was a lot going on beside the RLI and Selous Scouts who get most of the attention. I can remember that picture from this book that was very influential in my youth. I'm sure you enjoyed posting it. (Probably not now that I think about it as I want to say that they used SLR 30 Rounders for that conversion didn't they? That mag only has one rib on the side, the SLR 30's had three....) |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:38:03 PM EDT
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Several cool things in those pics... #1 we realize that the plain clothes police were probably toting a lot of the strange SMGs #2 we are reminded how crappy the logistical situation is, because that is a .303 BREN being used beside a .308 FAL - the Guard Forces and independent companies probably got the short end of the stick. #3 We realize in general that there was a lot going on beside the RLI and Selous Scouts who get most of the attention. I can remember that picture from this book that was very influential in my youth. I'm sure you enjoyed posting it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:46:44 PM EDT
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Any chance it was converted? (Probably not now that I think about it as I want to say that they used SLR 30 Rounders for that conversion didn't they? That mag only has one rib on the side, the SLR 30's had three....) |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:51:07 PM EDT
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Rhodesia threads always turn out awesome.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:56:26 PM EDT
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Yep. The way the remote farmhouses coordinated/hardened to defend themselves and each other when they got attacked is really interesting stuff. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:00:46 PM EDT
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The curve of the mag is the tell to me. I thought SLR30s only existed because they were made for BRENs. L4 BRENs are high on my cool list, a ingenious move of small unit logistics, everyone's mags interchangeable. Though I think L4s were converted .303s |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:02:06 PM EDT
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Yes, I'm going to look in to that a bit more. I think it offers a lot more in the way of lesson's learned for middle aged like most of us. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:04:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:23:01 PM EDT
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The curve of the mag is the tell to me. I thought SLR30s only existed because they were made for BRENs. L4 BRENs are high on my cool list, a ingenious move of small unit logistics, everyone's mags interchangeable. Though I think L4s were converted .303s  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:24:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:41:21 PM EDT
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Just a good photo: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/Rhod3-180069.JPG In keeping with the women angle: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/Rhod5-180070.JPG |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:56:19 PM EDT
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Rhodesians (AF?) at a Forward Air Field. One on right is holding a STEN:
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Posted: 4/3/2017 4:11:13 PM EDT
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Just posting this guys picture here, because he seems to be a bad ass. Cpl. Des Archer:
 Attached FileBetween 1976 and 1980, over 14,000 jumps were recorded by the Rhodesian Security Forces as a whole. The world record for operational jumps by an individual soldier is held by Corporal Des Archer of 1 Commando, RLI, who made 73 operational jumps between 1977 and the end of the war. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 4:14:58 PM EDT
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Havent seen any of these posted yet.
This mustache though 
Is that a 30 round mag in that FAL? |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 4:31:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2017 4:38:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt's long been on my list, but print copies are outrageous. Did not know it was online, I'll start on it tonight.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 4:58:25 PM EDT
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It's long been on my list, but print copies are outrageous. Did not know it was online, I'll start on it tonight. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 5:12:28 PM EDT
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Posed photo of Yolanda Kloppers, Miss South Africa, while visiting the troops in Rhodesia:
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Posted: 4/3/2017 5:16:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2017 5:53:04 PM EDT
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Well my next post was gonna be dedicated to Rhodesian civilians, but y'all have made that hard.
This is interesting, Rhodesian Politician with his farm workers 
I think Rhodesians knew about trigger discipline long before Americans 
such racism, 
Farm kids loading up 
Stroll down to the river 
This reminds me of my dad, even the truck, except the FAL 
Grandma taking the kid for a ride 
Prime Minister, he should have went to the range with some of those IPSC shooters I mentioned aelier... but he had some WWII kills in Spitfires, so we'll cut him some slack. 
Land mine on civilian road 
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Posted: 4/3/2017 6:15:56 PM EDT
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Rhodesians (AF?) at a Forward Air Field. One on right is holding a STEN: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/Rhod8-180072.JPG Another female:https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/Rhod6-180073.JPG Rhodesian family: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161929/rhod7-180074.JPG |
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