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A job posting on Craigslist popped up this month for a restaurant manager, giving us a hint of what we can expect from this robo-dining experience. "This location will feature the world-premiere of our proprietary and remarkable new advances in technology that enable the automatic creation of impossibly delicious burgers at prices everyone can afford," the ad read.
Every aspect of the burger is customizable, from thickness and cook time to condiments. The machine will take up about 24 square feet and the tech blog Xconomy predicted it could save a restaurant $90,000 a year in training and salaries. Robot Burger Joint |
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A job posting on Craigslist popped up this month for a restaurant manager, giving us a hint of what we can expect from this robo-dining experience. "This location will feature the world-premiere of our proprietary and remarkable new advances in technology that enable the automatic creation of impossibly delicious burgers at prices everyone can afford," the ad read. Every aspect of the burger is customizable, from thickness and cook time to condiments. The machine will take up about 24 square feet and the tech blog Xconomy predicted it could save a restaurant $90,000 a year in training and salaries. Robot Burger Joint View Quote Article I saw last week was a robot pizza place. |
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. View Quote But you don't have to deal with employees that can't find a babysitter. Lost their car keys. Got drunk cause their boyfriend fucked their sister. No savings and if it works it's a win for owners of burger joints,' |
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No workers comp claims, no sexual harassment lawsuits, always on time. Don't have to worry about minimum wage increases. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. No workers comp claims, no sexual harassment lawsuits, always on time. Don't have to worry about minimum wage increases. Passes drug tests |
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Quoted: that s fantastic. add 90k to your income and that s how big a difference it is. I want to throw down and buy one of these franchises (if I can swing it) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I want to manage a bunch of robots. How much does that position pay? No bitch ass co workers or politics involved.
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No workers comp claims, no sexual harassment lawsuits, always on time. Don't have to worry about minimum wage increases. View Quote HA yea right. I'd tap dat rotator servo so hard.... Don't Date Robots |
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. View Quote Assuming it removes the majority of human problems with it, the machine will save a ton. Even if it costs $400k, that's a 5 year RoI on the base machine. Figure probably 3-5% maintenance costs, perhaps bumping it up to at max, a 7 year RoI. But, I'm going to guess the machine is less then 400k. Plus all the other headaches it's going to save. |
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I was about to say that. 90k to a single owner entity is quite nice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. that s fantastic. add 90k to your income and that s how big a difference it is. I want to throw down and buy one of these franchises (if I can swing it) Right. That's an estimated savings per year for a small business. That's a shit ton of cash. |
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Momentum showed off its prototype hamburger-making robot, which is expressly designed to displace two to three full-time kitchen workers, thus saving fast-food companies up to $90,000 per franchise per year, or $9 billion nationwide. It would really depend on what you dedicate to making burgers, a place like McD's will profit hugely. |
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. No workers comp claims, no sexual harassment lawsuits, always on time. Don't have to worry about minimum wage increases. This guy gets it, When I started my business the first thing I realized was my employees problems became my problems. I had a man tell me he had to stay home with the baby because his sitter was sick so his wife could go to her $8.00 an hour job. He was making $55.00 an hour with benefits at the time (around 2000). |
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. View Quote Capitalize it. That's 90k per year, every year for the life of the machine. Of course, there is the cost of the machine and lost income from spending the money. How much capital would you have to have to generate 90k per year? One million would generate 100k at 10%. 10% is an unrealistically high rate of return today (although some of remember other days), so the amount would have to be much higher. |
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IIRC... the EU just required companies that used robots, to pay retirement and the equivalent of social security on each robot.
that will come here.. when there are millions of people unemployed, and the finger gets pointed to robots... a politician WILL take up the cause.. and at a MINIMUM, start tacking on fees to robots... to help pay for welfare, and unemployment. you will pay for the robot, the unemployed people, who lost jobs to the robot, and the employees that work on the robots... you will save nothing. basically... if you save money... we will be taxing that money you saved, and putting those taxes towards retirement, for people.... http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/06/23/more-eu-lunacy-robots-should-pay-social-security-taxes-for-the-pensions-they-wont-get/?commentId=comment_blogAndPostId%2Fblog%2Fcomment%2F1560-26161-42075#21f882c33633
More EU Lunacy: Robots Should Pay Social Security Taxes For The Pensions They Won't Get As Otto von Bismarck pointed out, the law is like sausage: Often good and useful but something you really don’t want to watch being made. The European Union is trying to create a law concerning the rise of the robots as they come to steal all our jobs. One of the more ludicrous suggestions is that robots should pay social security taxes for all the social security benefits they won’t get. (A linguistics point: Social security in the U.S. means the retirement and disability insurance scheme. In Europe, it includes much more such as maternity pay, healthcare unemployment pay and they’re at least nominally paid for by taxes on earnings in much the same manner as FICA.) View Quote http://www.pcmag.com/news/345515/eu-robot-workers-are-electronic-persons
The draft report from the European Parliament's Committee on Legal Affairs, issued on May 31, seeks to address multiple social and ethical issues posed by the rise of an automated workforce. One of those issues is social security revenue: if companies replace human workers with robots, the amount they pay into Europe's retirement benefits system could decrease. Under the proposal, companies would be required to declare "the savings made in social security contributions through the use of robotics in place of human personnel." Those savings could have tax implications, according to Reuters. The proposal also seeks to establish liability rules for accidents and damage caused by "smart robots," as well as intellectual property rights for robots' inventions. It also establishes a code of conduct for robotics engineers and users, including provisions like "robots should act in the best interests of humans" and forbidding users to modify a "robot to enable it to function as a weapon." View Quote |
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IIRC... the EU just required companies that used robots, to pay retirement and the equivalent of social security on each robot. that will come here.. when there are millions of people unemployed, and the finger gets pointed to robots... a politician WILL take up the cause.. and at a MINIMUM, start tacking on fees to robots... to help pay for welfare, and unemployment. you will pay for the robot, the unemployed people, who lost jobs to the robot, and the employees that work on the robots... you will save nothing. View Quote I'm as far from a socialist as you can get, but I recognize this will HAVE to happen. We either have to kill off 90% of the population, or we have to ditch the concept of earned currency. Eventually Robots will be doing nearly everything, and you can't sustain a 90+% unemployment rate as a result. The only option is to eventually pay the population not to work, lest the Luddite Revolution 2.0 come to pass. |
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Assuming it removes the majority of human problems with it, the machine will save a ton. Even if it costs $400k, that's a 5 year RoI on the base machine. Figure probably 3-5% maintenance costs, perhaps bumping it up to at max, a 7 year RoI. But, I'm going to guess the machine is less then 400k. Plus all the other headaches it's going to save. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. Assuming it removes the majority of human problems with it, the machine will save a ton. Even if it costs $400k, that's a 5 year RoI on the base machine. Figure probably 3-5% maintenance costs, perhaps bumping it up to at max, a 7 year RoI. But, I'm going to guess the machine is less then 400k. Plus all the other headaches it's going to save. you're a brave man, assuming that a highly complex manufacturing unit will survive in a restaurant environment for 7 years. since the restaurant won't have enough kitchen staff to operate in the event of a malfunction, two units will be required (one is none). since those two units are your entire operation, you'll need a pretty robust service plan to support them. and since the robot kitchen doesn't do other work, you will still need a substantial staff to do things like cleaning, maintenance, and everything else that a normal hourly staff does. i mean, it's a neat idea for specific applications (cafeteria comes to mind), but it isn't practical for wide-scale restaurant operations. early adopters are going to pay a tremendous amount of money to beta test this thing, with little likelihood of seeing higher returns than a conventional staff. |
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It would really depend on what you dedicate to making burgers, a place like McD's will profit hugely. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. Momentum showed off its prototype hamburger-making robot, which is expressly designed to displace two to three full-time kitchen workers, thus saving fast-food companies up to $90,000 per franchise per year, or $9 billion nationwide. It would really depend on what you dedicate to making burgers, a place like McD's will profit hugely. Actually, McD's wouldn't benefit that greatly, IMO. Most of their processes already remove the human at the majority of steps. McD's has their shit so tight that there is no way it would be possible to run a kitchen with the volume most McD's do with a similarly paid, trained and size staff. When you consider that at least half the crew working at a McD's are customer facing or management .... the rest are there to dump food into cooking areas, listen for timers and assemble. I doubt the average B&M McD's *spends* $90K a year on their kitchen staff or much more than that if they get that high. (That's 6 full time employees at minimum wage, BTW) McD's has the infrastructure to make these machines a non-starter, in their business, at current wages. New shops, without the benefit of 70 years of process optimization, R&D, logistics and training? This will be a game changer for those who want to ENTER the market. Not such a boon for the big names already in it. Those are already "pot committed" to their processes. |
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"Machines took our jerbs!" http://www.miningartifacts.org/coal_miners_12.jpg http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/gastudiesimages/Black%20Man%20Plowing%20with%20Mule%20Greene%201941.jpg http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/winslow_homer_3408/der_veteran_im_neuen_feld.jpg http://bulatlat.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/weaving1.jpg View Quote Yup. We already have one Luddite in here braying about 90 percent unemployment .... over burger-bots. |
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"Machines took our jerbs!" http://www.miningartifacts.org/coal_miners_12.jpg http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/gastudiesimages/Black%20Man%20Plowing%20with%20Mule%20Greene%201941.jpg http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/winslow_homer_3408/der_veteran_im_neuen_feld.jpg http://bulatlat.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/weaving1.jpg View Quote They'll take all of our jobs on a long enough timeline. It really is something to think about, regarding how we view "earned income." |
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Yup. We already have one Luddite in here braying about 90 percent unemployment .... over burger-bots. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"Machines took our jerbs!" http://www.miningartifacts.org/coal_miners_12.jpg http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/gastudiesimages/Black%20Man%20Plowing%20with%20Mule%20Greene%201941.jpg http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/winslow_homer_3408/der_veteran_im_neuen_feld.jpg http://bulatlat.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/weaving1.jpg Yup. We already have one Luddite in here braying about 90 percent unemployment .... over burger-bots. You're right. In 2000 years we'll still be working on cheese burgers. |
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They'll take all of our jobs on a long enough timeline. It really is something to think about, regarding how we view "earned income." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"Machines took our jerbs!" http://www.miningartifacts.org/coal_miners_12.jpg http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/gastudiesimages/Black%20Man%20Plowing%20with%20Mule%20Greene%201941.jpg http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/winslow_homer_3408/der_veteran_im_neuen_feld.jpg http://bulatlat.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/weaving1.jpg They'll take all of our jobs on a long enough timeline. It really is something to think about, regarding how we view "earned income." You can't automate mankind out of jobs. You can automate people out of certain jobs but, people will work. New tech brings new industry, new industry brings new development, new development brings new tech. There are jobs created at EVERY step in that cycle. Always have been. The world is vastly more automated today than it was 100 years ago. We have twice as many people on the planet now as we did then. About the same percentage of people (roughly) are working now as worked then. Your fears are unfounded and misplaced. |
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Maybe it will at least show up looking like a burger, not a squashed piece of shit that's upside down.
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. View Quote Why don't you send me $90,000 a year since it's not all that much in your world? $90,000 a year is huge. In a business you look where to save every dollar you can and finding 90,000 of them is a good thing. If McDonalds deploys just one of these robots in each of their locations they'll save over 3 billion dollars a year. |
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I doubt the average B&M McD's *spends* $90K a year on their kitchen staff or much more than that if they get that high. (That's 6 full time employees at minimum wage, BTW) View Quote you doubt they spend $247 per day? that's only 34 labor hours at min wage. calculate 4-6 cook slots across a minimum of an 18-hour work day. i agree with you about the process, but math is math. |
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You can't automate mankind out of jobs.. View Quote Yes, you can and we will. In fact, it's our goal (and should be, really.) On a long enough timeline you will always be wrong, unless we blow ourselves up. Hell, the majority of us still employed have significantly automated jobs, and they get more automated everyday. |
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You're right. In 2000 years we'll still be working on cheese burgers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"Machines took our jerbs!" http://www.miningartifacts.org/coal_miners_12.jpg http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/gastudiesimages/Black%20Man%20Plowing%20with%20Mule%20Greene%201941.jpg http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/winslow_homer_3408/der_veteran_im_neuen_feld.jpg http://bulatlat.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/weaving1.jpg Yup. We already have one Luddite in here braying about 90 percent unemployment .... over burger-bots. You're right. In 2000 years we'll still be working on cheese burgers. In 2000 years the world will look like something you can't even fathom. By that I mean you haven't the ABILITY to dream of it. It is beyond the grasp of your wildest imagination. Think about what the world looked like just 100 years ago. Compare that to today. Nobody imagined that we'd have, at our fingertips, the knowledge of the entire planet, wholly interconnected in 24/7 real time, globally. That we could tote, in our pockets, machines that can compute the most mind numbing mathematical problems, translate any language, search any book, find any song, call for help, call for food and any of the other billion things that go into it. Besides, in 2000 years, I'll be ash and there will *still* be people like you fretting about technology taking away the need for people. |
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Wow....no more "special sauce" or pubes from disgruntled employees.
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you doubt they spend $247 per day? that's only 34 labor hours at min wage. calculate 4-6 cook slots across a minimum of an 18-hour work day. i agree with you about the process, but math is math. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I doubt the average B&M McD's *spends* $90K a year on their kitchen staff or much more than that if they get that high. (That's 6 full time employees at minimum wage, BTW) you doubt they spend $247 per day? that's only 34 labor hours at min wage. calculate 4-6 cook slots across a minimum of an 18-hour work day. i agree with you about the process, but math is math. Just because an employee makes minimum wage doesn't mean it costs the company the same amount. Employers pay more than minimum wage when you include all of their benefits, insurance, hr, ect. |
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Besides, in 2000 years, I'll be ash and there will *still* be people like you fretting about technology taking away the need for people. View Quote I'm not fretting it. It should happen. It makes sense we should be moving towards automation. But like you said, in 2000 years you wouldn't be able to fathom what it will look like, so saying "You can never automate out humans" is a gross assumption. |
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you doubt they spend $247 per day? that's only 34 labor hours at min wage. calculate 4-6 cook slots across a minimum of an 18-hour work day. i agree with you about the process, but math is math. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I doubt the average B&M McD's *spends* $90K a year on their kitchen staff or much more than that if they get that high. (That's 6 full time employees at minimum wage, BTW) you doubt they spend $247 per day? that's only 34 labor hours at min wage. calculate 4-6 cook slots across a minimum of an 18-hour work day. i agree with you about the process, but math is math. Yeah, I thought about that and it sounded low to me, too. But, consider that the kitchen (not the store) only has between 1 or 2 people dedicated to the job per shift, per day. So, it's not 4-6 cook slots. It's really like 1.5 slots across 18 hours. |
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Assuming it removes the majority of human problems with it, the machine will save a ton. Even if it costs $400k, that's a 5 year RoI on the base machine. Figure probably 3-5% maintenance costs, perhaps bumping it up to at max, a 7 year RoI. But, I'm going to guess the machine is less then 400k. Plus all the other headaches it's going to save. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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90K a year doesn't really sound like all that much savings. Assuming it removes the majority of human problems with it, the machine will save a ton. Even if it costs $400k, that's a 5 year RoI on the base machine. Figure probably 3-5% maintenance costs, perhaps bumping it up to at max, a 7 year RoI. But, I'm going to guess the machine is less then 400k. Plus all the other headaches it's going to save. This. If that machine could turn a +5-6% EBITDA improvement, along with all the other intangibles it would solve, it would be a bargain. |
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Just because an employee makes minimum wage doesn't mean it costs the company the same amount. Employers pay more than minimum wage when you include all of their benefits, insurance, hr, ect. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I doubt the average B&M McD's *spends* $90K a year on their kitchen staff or much more than that if they get that high. (That's 6 full time employees at minimum wage, BTW) you doubt they spend $247 per day? that's only 34 labor hours at min wage. calculate 4-6 cook slots across a minimum of an 18-hour work day. i agree with you about the process, but math is math. Just because an employee makes minimum wage doesn't mean it costs the company the same amount. Employers pay more than minimum wage when you include all of their benefits, insurance, hr, ect. I believe the cost is around 130% of the employees pay for the employer by the time you figure out all the ancillary costs. |
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Yes, you can and we will. In fact, it's our goal (and should be, really.) On a long enough timeline you will always be wrong, unless we blow ourselves up. Hell, the majority of us still employed have significantly automated jobs, and they get more automated everyday. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You can't automate mankind out of jobs.. Yes, you can and we will. In fact, it's our goal (and should be, really.) On a long enough timeline you will always be wrong, unless we blow ourselves up. Hell, the majority of us still employed have significantly automated jobs, and they get more automated everyday. I don't know if I agree with that assessment. Part of the nature of man is the idea of continuous improvement of their lot in life. I agree with the premise that we *should* be doing our dead level best to automate ourselves out of work, as we see it manifest in today's society. But, when the toil is taken care of, people will still be philosophers, by trade, poets and sculptors. I just don't think you can breed the drive to innovate out of mankind. |
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I'm not fretting it. It should happen. It makes sense we should be moving towards automation. But like you said, in 2000 years you wouldn't be able to fathom what it will look like, so saying "You can never automate out humans" is a gross assumption. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Besides, in 2000 years, I'll be ash and there will *still* be people like you fretting about technology taking away the need for people. I'm not fretting it. It should happen. It makes sense we should be moving towards automation. But like you said, in 2000 years you wouldn't be able to fathom what it will look like, so saying "You can never automate out humans" is a gross assumption. It would be, if that's what I said. |
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I doubt the average B&M McD's *spends* $90K a year on their kitchen staff or much more than that if they get that high. (That's 6 full time employees at minimum wage, BTW) you doubt they spend $247 per day? that's only 34 labor hours at min wage. calculate 4-6 cook slots across a minimum of an 18-hour work day. i agree with you about the process, but math is math. Just because an employee makes minimum wage doesn't mean it costs the company the same amount. Employers pay more than minimum wage when you include all of their benefits, insurance, hr, ect. I believe the cost is around 130% of the employees pay for the employer by the time you figure out all the ancillary costs. I budget my guys at 100 percent and do pretty well at matching the costs. So, if my guy is making 30/hr, I budget him (just his body, nothing more) at 60/hr when I'm doing RFP responses. |
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Innovation will always surpass regulation.
Think of robotic restaurants with respect to the $15/hr minimum wage like bullet buttons are for the AW bans.... Also, if this robot burger maker can do custom meat blends and custom toppings as the article claims, it will easily surpass any fast food place with their limited menus. |
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Innovation will always surpass regulation. Think of robotic restaurants with respect to the $15/hr minimum wage like bullet buttons are for the AW bans.... Also, if this robot burger maker can do custom meat blends and custom toppings as the article claims, it will easily surpass any fast food place with their limited menus. View Quote I can't think of a fast food place that won't make your food any way you want it, provided they have the ingredients in stock. Custom meat blends is a bit trickier because the vast majority of fast food joints freeze their patties pre-formed. It would be incredibly difficult to maintain long term profitability with nothing but fresh ingredients. At least, not in the same cost margins as McD's, for example. You aren't going to get a 3 ounce burger with bun, toppings, special blend to the fresh meat for a dollar. You can get that at McD's. |
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I don't foresee a huge increase in unemployment over robots in the fast food industry. Less minimum wage jobs, sure. But those things are finnicky, and require frequent maintenance. Not to mention software, delivery, insurance, components, etc. All said and done, you'd wind up with a lot more well-paying jobs.
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"Machines took our jerbs!" http://www.miningartifacts.org/coal_miners_12.jpg http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/gastudiesimages/Black%20Man%20Plowing%20with%20Mule%20Greene%201941.jpg http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/winslow_homer_3408/der_veteran_im_neuen_feld.jpg http://bulatlat.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/weaving1.jpg They'll take all of our jobs on a long enough timeline. It really is something to think about, regarding how we view "earned income." No, mankind will find something else to sell and acquire. You can see it in hand made goods now, take knives or other luxury items, machines can and often do mass produce these goods, yet people still want more expensive hand made versions. Thing is, Machines can never take away mans desire for handmade goods nor can they create sentimental value. Even though they've made robots that can paint Rembrandt's, there really is no accomplishment besides the actual work that went into the machine, but once that's over, it's push button receive Rembrandt. People recognize this and put a higher value on something made by man. You see, value can only be determined by man, and as long as man wants something there's value and jobs. We will never completely go to a cashless and or jobless society, we will always find something else to obsess over. |
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Do not worry as the democretin will cry foul and move to implement a fine for any company that displaces workers.
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Sounds great. This would eliminate the issues of trying to understand some ebonics speaking retard as the cashier.
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