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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:48:14 PM EST
[#1]
Guess I was lucky. Worked all kinds of shifts for 25 years. 8,10,12 hours. Rotating, fixed. Never had a problem with sleep.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:50:11 PM EST
[#2]
That sucks. For me, I’d try everything before the prescription meds as I hate taking any meds.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:53:13 PM EST
[#3]
I'd be looking for work.
that's a terrible plan |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:53:52 PM EST
[#4]
Screw rotating shifts.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:53:54 PM EST
[#5]
Lots of coffee, snacks, and energy drinks to stay awake.
  Too much alcohol and ZzzQuil to fall asleep.   |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:56:08 PM EST
[#6]
I’d go with find another job. You can’t get another health.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:56:41 PM EST
[#7]
Weekly rotating shifts suck. I don't get why anyone would want them. It's much easier to work either days or nights continually. Rotating out of some ridiculous sense of fairness just makes everyone equally miserable.
Been there, done that. It really sucks. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:56:45 PM EST
[#8]
That schedule is fucked. There are studies on the detrimental effects on physical and mental health related to ever changing schedules vs consistency. Time to find a new job for your well being. Plus, never invite the the ambien walrus into your life.......
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:57:28 PM EST
[#9]
The miners out here work rotating 12 hr shifts, plus at least an hour bus ride on each end.
Fuck. That. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:57:52 PM EST
[#10]
As the body doesn't get to adjust, rotating shift the toughest shift there is.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:58:08 PM EST
[#11]
Lol, unless it was just an insane amount of $ there is no way I would agree to a schedule like that.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:58:17 PM EST
[#12]
How long have you been doing swing?
My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off.  |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:58:29 PM EST
[#13]
I did that for a few years at a nuke facility. Always felt tired, but had trouble sleeping.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:59:26 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess I was lucky. Worked all kinds of shifts for 25 years. 8,10,12 hours. Rotating, fixed. Never had a problem with sleep. You cut years off your life without question. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 12:59:29 PM EST
[#15]
I worked a rotating seven day shift--seven graves, two days off, seven swings, one day off, seven days, four days off, go back to graves on the fifth day. You never get used to it.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:02:14 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The miners out here work rotating 12 hr shifts, plus at least an hour bus ride on each end. Fuck. That. How often do they switch though? If quarterly it's not as bad as weekly. Also I hate to bring FedGov into this but can you go to HR with your doctor's note and ask for an ADA accommodation? Because unless you ask HR with some specific verbiage they don't have to work with you on it, and just informing your director may not have been enough to trigger the ADA. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:04:57 PM EST
[#17]
Been there, too. Military ops center. 3-year tour . . . they'd have us do rotating shifts for 1 1/2 years, and do the last 1 1/2 years on Day Crew after everyone was beat up and worn out from the shift work. Swore I'd never do rotating shift work again.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:06:26 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The miners out here work rotating 12 hr shifts, plus at least an hour bus ride on each end. Fuck. That. If they are like the mines here, then it's a 7 day on schedule then 7 days off. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:08:06 PM EST
[#19]
I worked 24s in stations where we were lucky to get 4 hours of cumulative sleep. When I worked slow stations my sleep was restless. I went to bed anticipating getting up so never really settled. I didn't have any trouble at home though.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:11:31 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg  #metoo |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:14:29 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be looking for work. that's a terrible plan Yes, fuck that job. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:15:10 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg Halle-fucking-lulla!! We voted that shitty DuPont schedule down twice like 3 years ago. We are on a modified Panama schedule …we switch every two weeks. EDIT: yeah, our management’s “carrot” back then was “BBBUUTTT,, BBBUTT, you get a one week vacation each and every month!" Bullshit! Because they fail to properly man or staff the jobs / crews now. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:19:05 PM EST
[#23]
I did it weekly for almost 3 years on embassy duty and it blows goats. On top of that, we also had guard school, react drills, pt, collateral duties, language classes, det dinners, inspection prep and inspections, etc., that always ate up part of our time off.
Fucked my sleep for a long time after leaving that duty. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:25:01 PM EST
[#24]
When I am on day shifts, I have problems sleeping at night. I take melatonin for that.
When I am working nights, BAM! I sleep like a baby. Don’t know why. We have a day operator opening that needs to get filled. I am half tempted to put in for it, but then I won’t have days off in the middle of the week. Thst’s when I really like going to the gun range. I have the whole place to myself. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:25:36 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Halle-fucking-lulla!! We voted that shitty DuPont schedule down twice like 3 years ago. We are on a modified Panama schedule we switch every two weeks. EDIT: yeah, our management's "carrot" back then was "BBBUUTTT,, BBBUTT, you get a one week vacation each and every month!" Bullshit! Because they fail to properly man or staff the jobs / crews now. They discussed doing the same schedule, but having it be fixed nights/days for 6 months I think it was then flipping, but you'd still be on the hook for filling the opposite schedule on your 7 day, so you'd get used to working straight nights just long enough to have them force you to cover a day shift every 7 day break and throw your schedule off again. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:27:15 PM EST
[#26]
Just had a turnaround here and a new supervisor initially scheduled some guys 13 nights, 1 day off then 13 days, 1 day off rotating for 2 months. They were like
 .Had to sit supervisor (who'd never done a turnaround) down and explain why that wouldn't work. Supervisor balked and argued until some higher ups got involved. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:28:21 PM EST
[#27]
I worked rotating 8 hr shifts for 14 years nope never again
 been working 7:30am to 4:30 for 3 years now I’m still not over those swings It definitely took a toll on my health still working on getting the weight I put on off!
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:30:36 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg Wow, so there are 20 normal workdays in a month, and you only have to work 16 days a month!!!!! That schedule looks a lot like the railroad, except the railroad will discipline you if they call you and you aren't available 75% of the time. They will work you rotating like that BUT up to 22 days a month. More if they can squeeze it in around the required rest periods. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:33:11 PM EST
[#29]
This shit pisses me off. Management will have special volunteer days to feed the poor. With pictures of course. Donate to the cause of the month. Talk about how they care blah blah
But, when required to exercise a little organization and discipline to ensure that people can have healthy lives while STILL producing the same or more it is beyond them. Don’t switch work hours on people Don’t create constant fire drills and task switching Don’t keep people in the dark about why they are doing something Don’t ask them to do work without tools to see “how they handle it*” Don’t ask for work that won’t likely be used Don’t dump all the work on the most competent. All of this is known to destroy productivity AND happiness/motivation. I’m in management btw * yes someone did that to her reports |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:34:45 PM EST
[#30]
We did rotating (day-swing-overnight) at a chemical where I'd worked. Graveyard was dangerous the first couple of days of the week because heavy machinery and hot, high pressure stuff was being handled by a crew that was falling asleep.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:37:54 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they are like the mines here, then it's a 7 day on schedule then 7 days off. 5/5 with a push to go back to 7/7. Buddy is one of them miners and while he says it sucks the week off really helps with the schedule flip. Here (at least with Nevada Gold) they also get paid on the bus ride to work but not the bus ride home. As for the OP, I think i'd do what everyone else is suggesting and find another job. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:40:41 PM EST
[#32]
Make sure to do all your online shopping after taking your Ambien.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:40:50 PM EST
[#33]
How much is this job worth to you? Money, your health, your off work time? Your life? Fuck all that fund a new job.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:46:21 PM EST
[#34]
Quoted: Just had a turnaround here and a new supervisor initially scheduled some guys 13 nights, 1 day off then 13 days, 1 day off rotating for 2 months. They were like .Had to sit supervisor (who'd never done a turnaround) down and explain why that wouldn't work. Supervisor balked and argued until some higher ups got involved. That guy is going make people miserable in other ways. Not intentionally but will nonetheless. Had a boss who would treat people like that but tell me how much he cared. I had to protect my team constantly. If I went on vacation I would hear about the problems he created. When I left I pleaded with my team to manage up. Explained how, went through scenarios. They just didn’t have the comfort. They all quit after I left. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:47:00 PM EST
[#35]
I did rotating shifts for 20 years as a LEO. Even though our rotations were 2-6 months I never did sleep worth a damn when on graves.
I was lucky to sleep 3-4 hours during the day. I got into the habit of taking a 2 hour nap in the evenings before getting ready for work. That helped but I always felt like a zombie.. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:49:48 PM EST
[#36]
Ehh 20 years.
12 hours shifts now 13. 4 nights 3 days off 3 days on 1 off 3 nights 3 off 4 days on 7 off. Fuck me. 
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:49:54 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Halle-fucking-lulla!! We voted that shitty DuPont schedule down twice like 3 years ago. We are on a modified Panama schedule …we switch every two weeks. EDIT: yeah, our management’s “carrot” back then was “BBBUUTTT,, BBBUTT, you get a one week vacation each and every month!" Bullshit! Because they fail to properly man or staff the jobs / crews now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg Halle-fucking-lulla!! We voted that shitty DuPont schedule down twice like 3 years ago. We are on a modified Panama schedule …we switch every two weeks. EDIT: yeah, our management’s “carrot” back then was “BBBUUTTT,, BBBUTT, you get a one week vacation each and every month!" Bullshit! Because they fail to properly man or staff the jobs / crews now. On paper you get a week off every month. But you spend the first two days of that week off napping in front of the TV because you are to exhausted to do anything. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:54:32 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Make sure to do all your online shopping after taking your Ambien. Never had a problem with the Walrus. I would get in bed, take the pill and five minutes later lights out for 8 hours. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:04:31 PM EST
[#39]
I'm convinced it caused or greatly contributed to my dad's depression, and as a consequence, massive weight gain, alcoholism, family disfunction, etc.
Fuck rotating shifts. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:08:11 PM EST
[#40]
Rotating shifts is one thing, but rotating every week? WTF?
What kind of empty-headed dumbfuck piece of shit does that? Is that motherfucker just plain stupid? Because it takes effort to come up with something that retarded. You can rotate shifts once a month, max. You can’t do more frequently than that without fucking up your body’s sleep schedule. Even monthly is terrible for you. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:10:39 PM EST
[#41]
Don't get hooked on Ambien. I did and it's a bitch going off of them. I stopped cold and didn't sleep, dizzy spells, slow shallow breathing and brain fog. I had to taper off slowly with less and less of an amount. I won't use them again.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:11:21 PM EST
[#42]
I work 12 hour nights and wouldn’t go to days if given the option, but damn I bet rotating is awful.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:11:37 PM EST
[#43]
I have been doing the Dupont schedule for about 7 years now. At first it was hard but I got used to it. Black out curtains are a must for sleeping during the day. Try to get to sleep before the sun comes up. Also be sure to stay away from energy drinks to stay up at night. Limit yourself to 1 cup of coffee a shift. I actually get better sleep during the day when the wife is at work and the kids are at school and I have the house to myself. Also doing things and running errands during your "week off" is great when everyone else is at work.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:11:40 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been doing swing? My work runs the DuPont, it took about a year to not feel like shit all the time, but now after 4-5 hours of sleep I'm good to go. the short turn around week (week 2) sucks... but it's do-able. When you start getting slammed with OT on your 7 day break is when it really gets shitty though because they'll have you working nights and days in the same week with no pattern. I have come to loathe that 7 day break, if we were properly staffed it wouldn't be as bad and I'd get half the month off. https://newsroom.domtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DuPont1-1024x541.jpg Same shift that DUKE ENERGY used to run, (maybe still does at other plants). If you have a family, and you homeschool, then it’s great for middle of the week vacations to go places that won’t be crowded. That said, if your schedule has you getting home while it’s still dark, then easier to get to sleep. A remote room in the house, darkened window coverings, a small fan for background white noise, and a ‘nightcap’ of your favorite alcoholic beverage other than beer. Never used sleeping pills or melatonin, as I had already seen how it affected other people. Maybe it’s just conditioning, but have either worked second or third shift, or some form of rotating shift, since1980. Best stretch of day shift I’ve ever had was a 2.5 year period where my experience was needed during a refit outage, and the group I was assigned to only worked days. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:20:44 PM EST
[#45]
6a-6p/6p-6a. Rotate between the two every four weeks.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:22:08 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You cut years off your life without question. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guess I was lucky. Worked all kinds of shifts for 25 years. 8,10,12 hours. Rotating, fixed. Never had a problem with sleep. You cut years off your life without question. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:27:19 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same shift that DUKE ENERGY used to run, (maybe still does at other plants). If you have a family, and you homeschool, then it's great for middle of the week vacations to go places that won't be crowded. That said, if your schedule has you getting home while it's still dark, then easier to get to sleep. A remote room in the house, darkened window coverings, a small fan for background white noise, and a 'nightcap' of your favorite alcoholic beverage other than beer. .I agree, in the summer when my son is out of school we go fishing, or do whatever in the middle of the week while everyone else is working, and pretty much get wherever to ourselves. When he has school, I get to put him on the bus in the morning and pick him up from school as soon as it lets out. I invested heavily in blackout curtains for the entire place, I find I am able to fall asleep as soon as my head hits the pillow when I get out in the morning, when I get out in the evening I can't fall asleep before about 10pm. I use Youtube longplays of old video games I grew up playing to fall asleep in the morning, the repetitive noises don't overstimulate my brain and give me background noise to fall asleep until the TV timer goes off. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:30:11 PM EST
[#48]
Night shift alone is terrible for your health, rotating night shift is worse.
I would find a better job. In 2022 a new job is the best way to get a pay raise anyway. So get a better job that pays more money. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:41:14 PM EST
[#49]
I would quit that job asap
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:42:12 PM EST
[#50]
Bet the director doesn't rotate his shift.
ALL management that demand rotating shifts need to rotate with their employees. You'd see that shit end in about a month. Two shifts, offer night premium for the evening shift. You'd probably break even with fewer sick days financially. |
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