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Posted: 12/29/2017 8:50:51 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 9mm gains little past 5 inches. Even the hottest +p+ from 16inch has about half the energy of a 223. Not to mention this thing is just under 7lbs naked and longer than a basic AR-15... Which also breaks down. Just saying... Edit: not a PCC hater, own a MPX-K. + for home defense use there is almost zero muzzle flash/recoil & they are not punishing without earpro, very important stuff indoors at night. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:20:11 AM EDT
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All you whiners bitching that it's ugly, what are you gonna do when you realize HiPoint's carbine in 10x25mm Norma is half the price of the Ruger? The Ruger ain't ugly, it's traditional, which sneaks it past enemy lines into California & New York. Magpul will have cool guy furniture soon enough, and if we're lucky, High Tower will make a bullpup stock for us.
This is the Glock carbine we've been waiting for, methinks, it's just made by Ruger. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:41:01 AM EDT
[#3]
Looks like a fun range toy or for teaching some kids to shoot. Not much good for anything else.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:58:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not much good for anything else. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 10:16:48 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Looks like a fun range toy or for teaching some kids to shoot. Not much good for anything else. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 10:20:04 AM EDT
[#6]
I like it very much. I must have one.
If there's something about it you don't like, don't worry, there's going to be a huge aftermarket for this gun. This will be perfect for the $15 Bushnell TRS25 and the pile of ETS 31 round mags I have sitting around because you all made me order them. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 10:45:50 AM EDT
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If anyone looked through the manual, it offers INTERCHANGEABLE BOLT HEADS.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 10:50:34 AM EDT
[#8]
Looks like someone has finally decided to make a shit ton of money selling mass produced PCCs that accepts Glock magazines.
Meanwhile, Glock ignores this market completely while it searches for ever more ways to fuck up the grip on Gen 6.... |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 11:53:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
All you whiners bitching that it's ugly, what are you gonna do when you realize HiPoint's carbine in 10x25mm Norma is half the price of the Ruger? The Ruger ain't ugly, it's traditional, which sneaks it past enemy lines into California & New York. Magpul will have cool guy furniture soon enough, and if we're lucky, High Tower will make a bullpup stock for us. This is the Glock carbine we've been waiting for, methinks, it's just made by Ruger. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 11:57:42 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If anyone looked through the manual, it offers INTERCHANGEABLE BOLT HEADS. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 12:02:01 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If anyone looked through the manual, it offers INTERCHANGEABLE BOLT HEADS. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 12:08:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw that and blew on by, as I was looking to see if the recoil spring goes into the stock. So folding stocks/bullpup stocks are on, as are caliber changes. .38 Super, anyone? 357 sig seems like a great caliber for it also. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 12:24:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw that and blew on by, as I was looking to see if the recoil spring goes into the stock. So folding stocks/bullpup stocks are on, as are caliber changes. .38 Super, anyone? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 12:26:40 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would think this action would lend itself to a pdr style stock pretty easily. 357 sig seems like a great caliber for it also. .357" would tend to extract too fast and blow the shoulders out in the Ruger. Straight wall cartridges don't have such issues. .357" SIG is probably a better candidate for CMMG's new radially-delayed blowback AR PCC. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 12:28:08 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, did it? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 12:41:56 PM EDT
[#16]
Looks cool. I think the KelTec Sub2000 might still be the better option though.
I’ll buy one if Ruger offers it in .45 or 10mm. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 12:47:16 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As if being a range toy isn't what the majority of guns are. Most people settle on a small number of guns for carry or hunting, I don't consider "range toy" status a bad thing. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 12:47:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This gun has plenty of uses, maybe just not for you... |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 1:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Such as.... |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 1:16:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, don’t get me wrong. Range toys are fine. It’s just not something to really depend on for protection. It will have it’s place. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 1:31:32 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Suppressed home protection, when you don't have time to put your ears on but want to use that 33 round stick of 147 grain subs.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 1:33:25 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait... what? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 1:53:31 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Such as.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This gun has plenty of uses, maybe just not for you... |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 1:55:34 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That heavily implies that caliber changes are in the works. I could see both 9mm/40/357 Sig (small frame PCC) and 45 ACP/10mm (large frame PCC) rifles being sold. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 1:56:43 PM EDT
[#25]
Why the haters?
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:05:28 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: It’s just not something to really depend on for protection. Quoted: There are much better options for a 9mm PCC in a self defense role than the new Ruger is all I’m saying. Quoted:
Why the haters? 
Beats me, I like glock mags and already have a metric shit ton. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:09:10 PM EDT
[#27]
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Looks cool. I think the KelTec Sub2000 might still be the better option though. I’ll buy one if Ruger offers it in .45 or 10mm. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:12:14 PM EDT
[#28]
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I dunno, but they are making no sense.... maybe they are trying to say Colt mags are better?
Beats me, I like glock mags and already have a metric shit ton. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It’s just not something to really depend on for protection. Quoted: There are much better options for a 9mm PCC in a self defense role than the new Ruger is all I’m saying. Quoted:
Why the haters?
Beats me, I like glock mags and already have a metric shit ton. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:15:13 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That heavily implies that caliber changes are in the works. I could see both 9mm/40/357 Sig (small frame PCC) and 45 ACP/10mm (large frame PCC) rifles being sold. Has anyone ever compared +P 9mm and +P.40 loads out of carbine length barrels? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:15:20 PM EDT
[#30]
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Why the haters? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:20:56 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HD,camping/backpacking,truck gun,shtf...just to name a few I'll use mine for. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:23:45 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: It’s just not something to really depend on for protection. Quoted: I’ll take this instead https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/171266/1C196A66-30A0-459F-8462-8C059CB2839B-405884.JPG Quoted: There are much better options for a 9mm PCC in a self defense role than the new Ruger is all I’m saying. Quoted:
So that’s why the gushing love fest, because it uses Glock mags???? Explain how your AR-9 with a stick mag is "more reliable for protection" and "better for a self-defense role" then the Ruger with a stick mag? I am truly baffled by your thoughts/justifications. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:27:38 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All good reasons. I'm just saying there are a lot of options out there for a 9mm PCC besides this one. I guess the Glock mag thing is what makes it attractive. People are excited because this means someone at one of the big company's "gets it", and is offering something new that people may want and in doing so is probably going to create a whole new market niche. This is a good thing, this is a very good thing. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:27:39 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you always get this bitchy when you are called out on your derp? Or are you not even paying attention and just shit posting? Explain how your AR-9 with a stick mag is "more reliable for protection" and "better for a self-defense role" then the Ruger with a stick mag? I am truly baffled by your thoughts/justifications. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:30:53 PM EDT
[#35]
If the 34” length is correct, it will be 3” shorter than my 1979 10/22.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:41:21 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
.40 is interesting, because newer 9mm loads are starting to catch up to it in pistols but there is a lot more upside to that caliber out of a carbine. Has anyone ever compared +P 9mm and +P.40 loads out of carbine length barrels? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That heavily implies that caliber changes are in the works. I could see both 9mm/40/357 Sig (small frame PCC) and 45 ACP/10mm (large frame PCC) rifles being sold. Has anyone ever compared +P 9mm and +P.40 loads out of carbine length barrels? I dont have anything against or for 40, it's just easier for me to get ammo for. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 2:48:50 PM EDT
[#37]
Hopefully Magpul comes up with alternative furniture that doesn't look anything like its Rem 870 or 10/22 furniture, because that shit's ug-lee.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 3:03:59 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Hopefully Magpul comes up with alternative furniture that doesn't look anything like its Rem 870 or 10/22 furniture, because that shit's ug-lee. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 3:11:23 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you always get this bitchy when you are called out on your derp? Or are you not even paying attention and just shit posting? Explain how your AR-9 with a stick mag is "more reliable for protection" and "better for a self-defense role" then the Ruger with a stick mag? I am truly baffled by your thoughts/justifications. I didn’t say one was better than the other for everyone. I said there are LOTS of options out there for someone wanting a 9mm PCC and I don’t see what the big deal about this one is except for the fact that it accepts Glock mags. Is that the only criteria now for a new gun is that it has to be capable of using Glock mags???? Geez.....do you own Ruger stock or something??? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 3:12:04 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you always get this bitchy when you are called out on your derp? Or are you not even paying attention and just shit posting? Explain how your AR-9 with a stick mag is "more reliable for protection" and "better for a self-defense role" then the Ruger with a stick mag? I am truly baffled by your thoughts/justifications. I didn’t say one was better than the other for everyone. I said there are LOTS of options out there for someone wanting a 9mm PCC and I don’t see what the big deal about this one is except for the fact that it accepts Glock mags. Is that the only criteria now for a new gun is that it has to be capable of using Glock mags???? Geez.....do you own Ruger stock or something??? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 3:15:06 PM EDT
[#41]
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Still, this is a solid effort by one of the "Majors" in the industry. Availability, parts, etc will likely be very good and you will likely see these at larger stores and chains then you would some of the specialty carbine types. Also it doesn't run afoul of any ridiculous laws and presents a nice new option to people in shitty states. People are excited because this means someone at one of the big company's "gets it", and is offering something new that people may want and in doing so is probably going to create a whole new market niche. This is a good thing, this is a very good thing. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 3:15:24 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Still, this is a solid effort by one of the "Majors" in the industry. Availability, parts, etc will likely be very good and you will likely see these at larger stores and chains then you would some of the specialty carbine types. Also it doesn't run afoul of any ridiculous laws and presents a nice new option to people in shitty states. People are excited because this means someone at one of the big company's "gets it", and is offering something new that people may want and in doing so is probably going to create a whole new market niche. This is a good thing, this is a very good thing. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 3:24:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Very good points. It’s not something I’d be interested in but if it gets more good guns in the people’s hands I’m all aboard that train. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still, this is a solid effort by one of the "Majors" in the industry. Availability, parts, etc will likely be very good and you will likely see these at larger stores and chains then you would some of the specialty carbine types. Also it doesn't run afoul of any ridiculous laws and presents a nice new option to people in shitty states. People are excited because this means someone at one of the big company's "gets it", and is offering something new that people may want and in doing so is probably going to create a whole new market niche. This is a good thing, this is a very good thing. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 3:27:58 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
I’ll say it slower so you can understand it better. *snip* Geez.....do you own Ruger stock or something??? Quoted:
It’s just not something to really depend on for protection. Quoted:
There are much better options for a 9mm PCC in a self defense role than the new Ruger is all I’m saying. I don't own Ruger stock (Hell, maybe one of the portfolio's does?) but I don't talk sideways out of my ass either. It is obvious that you are the one that is having trouble "getting it" so I regret ever asking you to justify your reasoning. There will never be any logic from you on this topic. At the rate you are going I would wager in a few more posts you will come full circle and love the new weapon's introduction. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 3:51:22 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why waste time talking about it? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 3:59:36 PM EDT
[#46]
LMFAO @ "the plan" if two weapon systems run flawless and reliable in the same caliber I don't really see how you can say one is better than the other for self defense. That's like saying a glock 17 is a better defense weapon than a M&P 9
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Posted: 12/30/2017 4:04:49 PM EDT
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For the guys who have looked at the tech specs of this thing, does it look like something that could be used where you buy one lower, and then use it with multiple caliber uppers that could be purchased separately (if Ruger does in fact produce different calibers)? I'm not sure if the AR nomenclature of uppers and lowers is the correct usage, but I'm sure you guys get what I mean.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 4:06:13 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why the haters? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 4:07:58 PM EDT
[#49]
Somebody in the armory forum asked an interesting question: Ruger makes a integrally suppressed 10/22 take down barrel, will they make one for these?
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Posted: 12/30/2017 4:10:07 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That heavily implies that caliber changes are in the works. I could see both 9mm/40/357 Sig (small frame PCC) and 45 ACP/10mm (large frame PCC) rifles being sold. |
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