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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:38:13 PM EDT
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Ukrainian Navy vs Russian Navy might end in every ship involved sinking, some might even sink from hostile fire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would love to see those Russian cock suckers get one of their boats sunk. Of course, being the Russian Navy they might well sink of their own accord. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:39:40 PM EDT
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WTI low $50s Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have only read about this here and on Drudge. Nothing on FOX news. This looks like it could get bad. 
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:39:48 PM EDT
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HaHaHa! our Ruski trolls are hilarious. Fuck mother Russia.Fuck her soldiers. Fuck her sailors.
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The U.S. doesn't need to send troops to Ukraine, but I'd be all for arming them to the teeth and flooding the market with cheap fracked oil and gas to damage the Russian economy. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:42:36 PM EDT
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Um. We already have a few troops there, I believe. An Air Force colonel died in a training accident in October. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The U.S. doesn't need to send troops to Ukraine, but I'd be all for arming them to the teeth and flooding the market with cheap fracked oil and gas to damage the Russian economy. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:43:38 PM EDT
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I DEFINITELY want to see us deploy fighters and subs! 
Seawolf will sweep the sea clean while F35s/F22s sweep the sky clean. 
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:43:55 PM EDT
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How long would it take the Ukraine to spin up a nuke program? Is there any useable infrastructure left?
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:45:34 PM EDT
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Those are rookie numbers. With a little effort we could hit $30. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have only read about this here and on Drudge. Nothing on FOX news. This looks like it could get bad. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:47:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to her Wikipedia page, she thinks Ukraine should be a dictatorship and should accept Russian annexation of Crimea. You sure she isn't a Russian troll? Her role models as leaders are Pinochet, Reagan, Merkel, Mandela, and Thatcher. Lol. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadiya_Savchenko |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:47:19 PM EDT
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As I said before, 4 pages (or whatever number we're at now), and not a single one of you has any clue as to what happened. Military ships can't cross another country's waters unannounced. They didn't cross international waters. They crossed Russian waters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's borders that it's previously agreed are international waters? So strong! |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:47:30 PM EDT
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In for the Nothingburger.
Ukraine is high and dry regardless of some memorandum. No one is going to lift a finger in use of force against Russia. I doubt they even have the balls to use force. They know they will get their shot pushed in without help....although I’d love to see Russkie get it’s nose bloodied. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:49:33 PM EDT
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There is a 2003 treaty that says otherwise. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:50:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:51:11 PM EDT
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How long would it take the Ukraine to spin up a nuke program? Is there any useable infrastructure left? The trick is to make any further incursion cost more than Putin can afford. Damage his economy by lowering the global price of oil and gas. Give Ukraine some first rate ATGMs and ManPads so that Russia is guaranteed to lose more tanks and aircraft than she can afford to replace. And if Russia does invade, she's guaranteed to face a well equipped and motivated insurgent force. There are plenty of people in the Russian military that remember what that cost in Afghanistan. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:53:49 PM EDT
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That would force Russia's hand. They'd mount a conventional invasion at high cost. Right now they are trying to eat the elephant one bite at a time, as Putin can't really afford the loss of men and equipment that a full scale invasion would entail. But if Ukraine started a nuke program Russia would suck it up. The trick is to make any further incursion cost more than Putin can afford. Damage his economy by lowering the global price of oil and gas. Give Ukraine some first rate ATGMs and ManPads so that Russia is guaranteed to lose more tanks and aircraft than she can afford to replace. And if Russia does invade, she's guaranteed to face a well equipped and motivated insurgent force. There are plenty of people in the Russian military that remember what that cost in Afghanistan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How long would it take the Ukraine to spin up a nuke program? Is there any useable infrastructure left? The trick is to make any further incursion cost more than Putin can afford. Damage his economy by lowering the global price of oil and gas. Give Ukraine some first rate ATGMs and ManPads so that Russia is guaranteed to lose more tanks and aircraft than she can afford to replace. And if Russia does invade, she's guaranteed to face a well equipped and motivated insurgent force. There are plenty of people in the Russian military that remember what that cost in Afghanistan. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:54:59 PM EDT
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The Russian military districts bordering eastern Ukraine already have obscenely high casualties from training accidents. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:58:19 PM EDT
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Somebody get me up to speed real quick. What is Russia's interest in Ukraine? Why do they want it? Crimea kinda made sense but why the rest?
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:58:34 PM EDT
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In for eventual dead Russians. We only killed a few hundred in Syria, and that's just an abysmally low number considering how awesome it is to see dead Russians. Russia's declining suicide rate is truly tragic. For a good a while the steadily declining birth rate and insane suicide rate gave me immense joy.
August 12th, 2000 was one of the happiest days of my life. Can't wait to Russia finally overstep and get pummeled like they deserve. Could this finally be it? Only problem is the Russian Navy is such a joke that the possibility of casualties is quite low. They simply don't have the men, ships, or subs to actually achieve the hilarious foul-ups that normally lead to lots of dead Russians. My appetite won't be satiated until dead Russians are stacked like kindling on a tarmac, after being unloaded from multiple cargo planes. Can't wait to see what kind of military accident or hilarious mistake Russia makes. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 7:59:47 PM EDT
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Somebody get me up to speed real quick. What is Russia's interest in Ukraine? Why do they want it? Crimea kinda made sense but why the rest?  
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:00:19 PM EDT
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The only part that isn't Anti-Russia is the part Putin put in place to pretend they are Pro-Russia Ukrainians. 
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:00:50 PM EDT
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Somebody get me up to speed real quick. What is Russia's interest in Ukraine? Why do they want it? Crimea kinda made sense but why the rest? |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:01:47 PM EDT
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Somebody get me up to speed real quick. What is Russia's interest in Ukraine? Why do they want it? Crimea kinda made sense but why the rest? |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:01:57 PM EDT
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In for eventual dead Russians. We only killed a few hundred in Syria, and that's just an abysmally low number considering how awesome it is to see dead Russians. Russia's declining suicide rate is truly tragic. For a good a while the steadily declining birth rate and insane suicide rate gave me immense joy. August 12th, 2000 was one of the happiest days of my life. Can't wait to Russia finally overstep and get pummeled like they deserve. Could this finally be it? Only problem is the Russian Navy is such a joke that the possibility of casualties is quite low. They simply don't have the men, ships, or subs to actually achieve the hilarious foul-ups that normally lead to lots of dead Russians. My appetite won't be satiated until dead Russians are stacked like kindling on a tarmac, after being unloaded from multiple cargo planes. Can't wait to see what kind of military accident or hilarious mistake Russia makes. WHICH side are you on? 
Lol. I'll drink to that! |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:02:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:02:20 PM EDT
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In for eventual dead Russians. We only killed a few hundred in Syria, and that's just an abysmally low number considering how awesome it is to see dead Russians. Russia's declining suicide rate is truly tragic. For a good a while the steadily declining birth rate and insane suicide rate gave me immense joy. August 12th, 2000 was one of the happiest days of my life. Can't wait to Russia finally overstep and get pummeled like they deserve. Could this finally be it? Only problem is the Russian Navy is such a joke that the possibility of casualties is quite low. They simply don't have the men, ships, or subs to actually achieve the hilarious foul-ups that normally lead to lots of dead Russians. My appetite won't be satiated until dead Russians are stacked like kindling on a tarmac, after being unloaded from multiple cargo planes. Can't wait to see what kind of military accident or hilarious mistake Russia makes. 
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:02:29 PM EDT
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Crimea kinda made sense but why the rest? |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:02:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:03:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Putin's trying to get the band back together. He wants to be a superpower again and is too thick to understand that he needs a stout economy to achieve that. An economy that isn't run by him and his kleptomaniac buddies. He thinks being a superpower means having more geographical size. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:03:48 PM EDT
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Da fuck am I looking at? Quote History
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:03:52 PM EDT
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All that shore is Russia, or Russian occupied. It is 100 miles to the nearest Ukrainian controlled coastline. Ukraine did just test an indigenous Anti Ship Missile but that would kind of be an act of war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Based on the ranges, those Russian ships would be easy with a ship to ship missile in box truck on the shore. Jus sayin Ukraine did just test an indigenous Anti Ship Missile but that would kind of be an act of war. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:03:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, ok. lol https://languagesoftheworld.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Ukraine-Language.png |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:04:22 PM EDT
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Yeah, ok. lol https://languagesoftheworld.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Ukraine-Language.png Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only part that isn't Anti-Russia is the part Putin put in place to pretend they are Pro-Russia Ukrainians. https://languagesoftheworld.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Ukraine-Language.png |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:06:04 PM EDT
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Any large Russian troop movements reported yet? |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:06:21 PM EDT
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Should we call the eastern part of that Sudetenland? |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:08:01 PM EDT
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Da fuck am I looking at?
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:08:32 PM EDT
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It's been called Novorossiya since 1764: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Should we call the eastern part of that Sudetenland? |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:08:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Putin's trying to get the band back together. He wants to be a superpower again and is too thick to understand that he needs a stout economy to achieve that. An economy that isn't run by him and his kleptomaniac buddies. He thinks being a superpower means having more geographical size. Hence my confusion. They have big energy reserves or access that Russia doesn't? That's the only thing that makes sense. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:09:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:13:37 PM EDT
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World power is first economic..I agree. That's why I'm asking what the consensus here is on the motivations. Ukraine could roll over tomorrow and all Putin would gain is a giant insurgency and PITA that he can't afford and won't do anything for him. Hence my confusion. They have big energy reserves or access that Russia doesn't? That's the only thing that makes sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Putin's trying to get the band back together. He wants to be a superpower again and is too thick to understand that he needs a stout economy to achieve that. An economy that isn't run by him and his kleptomaniac buddies. He thinks being a superpower means having more geographical size. Hence my confusion. They have big energy reserves or access that Russia doesn't? That's the only thing that makes sense. The fact is that Putin is just too fucking stupid to understand that he needs a vibrant manufacturing and technology base to be a credible superpower these days. Or he understands it but is unwilling to forego the personal gain he and his friends enjoy by basically stealing from anyone that starts any business that makes any significant profit, which is the major obstacle in the way of Russia achieving those economic goals. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:13:46 PM EDT
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World power is first economic..I agree. That's why I'm asking what the consensus here is on the motivations. Ukraine could roll over tomorrow and all Putin would gain is a giant insurgency and PITA that he can't afford and won't do anything for him. Hence my confusion. They have big energy reserves or access that Russia doesn't? That's the only thing that makes sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Putin's trying to get the band back together. He wants to be a superpower again and is too thick to understand that he needs a stout economy to achieve that. An economy that isn't run by him and his kleptomaniac buddies. He thinks being a superpower means having more geographical size. Hence my confusion. They have big energy reserves or access that Russia doesn't? That's the only thing that makes sense. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:14:07 PM EDT
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So. Nova Scotia isn't part of Scotland. New England isn't part of England. And Paris, TX isn't in France. But you'd know that because you're in Texas, right?
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:15:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that was some sort of joint training exercise. We don't have combat troops there as far as I know. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNew England isn’t in England either comrade.
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So. Nova Scotia isn't part of Scotland. New England isn't part of England. And Paris, TX isn't in France. But you'd know that because you're in Texas, right? |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:16:52 PM EDT
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We do. And as far as I know we have since the whole Crimea mess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:17:26 PM EDT
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New England isn’t in England either comrade.  now do Tejas.
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:17:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But Tejas is part of the US |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:18:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But Tejas is part of the US In all honesty I’d just stop using that account since it’s burned. Not sure if you have to get approval from your komanduyushchiy ofitser or if you can make that call yourself. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:18:28 PM EDT
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No Texans call Texas Tejas. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:19:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not yet. |
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