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Posted: 10/15/2015 1:26:51 AM EDT
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I found another view of what appears to be the same strike. Title says it is BM-30s, and they hit Hama on Oct 11th.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk_AdzMZytwSnackbar warning The one dude in the background made up for the lack of snackbars in the first. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 1:35:44 AM EDT
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MLRS - Distance: 42+ KM, Munitions: 12 rounds in 40 seconds
TOS-1 - Distance: 6KM, Munitions: 24 or 30 in 15 seconds It seems we need a little work on developing a better (MLRS has a 2% dud rate) mobile "grid square killer". But we don't need to be anywhere near the enemy to launch what we have, plus we can fire more accurate, longer range missiles from the same launcher. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 1:44:26 AM EDT
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MLRS - Distance: 42+ KM, Munitions: 12 rounds in 40 seconds TOS-1 - Distance: 6KM, Munitions: 24 or 30 in 15 seconds It seems we need a little work on developing a better (MLRS has a 2% dud rate) mobile "grid square killer". But we don't need to be anywhere near the enemy to launch what we have, plus we can fire more accurate, longer range missiles from the same launcher. Russian launchers are reloaded individually. American launchers load in pods. We can sustain a much higher rate of fire. We also use digital fire commands and they use a manual calculator in the launcher. I believe they transmit fire commands via voice FM and load them into a manual panel. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 1:49:54 AM EDT
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Damn, man-- thermobarics, thermal imaging, GPS guidance and crap like this-- it's getting so the battlefield is positively unsafe . . .
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Posted: 10/15/2015 1:59:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russian launchers are reloaded individually. American launchers load in pods. We can sustain a much higher rate of fire. We also use digital fire commands and they use a manual calculator in the launcher. I believe they transmit fire commands via voice FM and load them into a manual panel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: MLRS - Distance: 42+ KM, Munitions: 12 rounds in 40 seconds TOS-1 - Distance: 6KM, Munitions: 24 or 30 in 15 seconds It seems we need a little work on developing a better (MLRS has a 2% dud rate) mobile "grid square killer". But we don't need to be anywhere near the enemy to launch what we have, plus we can fire more accurate, longer range missiles from the same launcher. Russian launchers are reloaded individually. American launchers load in pods. We can sustain a much higher rate of fire. We also use digital fire commands and they use a manual calculator in the launcher. I believe they transmit fire commands via voice FM and load them into a manual panel. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 2:16:50 AM EDT
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HIMARS is also being used. I'd just like to see something bigger, more destructive. Artillery (even mobile) is okay, but it's an aged concept. We need something that can fire massive amounts of ordinance while moving at 40 MPH, that would be a game changer. We shouldn't always think we can rely on air power, that's checkers, not chess. The panel can process FMs while moving, even while in an airplane. The hardest part about shooting is making sure there are no intervening crests. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 3:32:05 AM EDT
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Wheres the leftwing outrage because they might have hit some Mosque ?
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Posted: 10/15/2015 5:38:57 AM EDT
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Although we still keep submunitions in war stocks, we only use unitary warhead MFOM anymore "Mother Fucker On the Move"?  MLRS Faimly of Munitions Ah. So Fucker should be plural, got it! |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 6:44:10 AM EDT
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I'm a huge fan of artillery, but I have to agree with Steinhab that you can't coerce a population to cease a fight. You have to beat them on the field. Which is why we have combined arms maneuver to begin with. populations are easy. Its the leaders you have to convince. Spain, 2005. United States, 2009. Lockerbe, 1988 |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 6:56:55 AM EDT
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Russia needed a conflict to field test its newer gear in and thumb its nose at the US
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Posted: 10/15/2015 7:13:08 AM EDT
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Cameraman's radio transmissions stopped coming in after all that too Did you hear how panicked the ICOM traffic was? You could hear the urgency in the callers voice and the repetitive phrases being shouted, that was maximum stress. The receiver was totally silent as well, nothing but heavy mouth breathing and a complete lack of Snack-Baring. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 7:52:21 AM EDT
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I swear. There isn't one video those fuckers make where someone isn't saying aloha snackbar
That being said, that's a whole lot of hate I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 8:27:03 AM EDT
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This. A few times govt leaders had come close to throwing in the towel due solely to bombing campaigns. Meanwhile the people themselves are usually more determined and angry then ever, whether that be Brits. Germany, Japan, Vietnam, or even Iraqis. Considering who runs the various FSA rebel groups, ISIS, Al Nusra, and how decentralized that all are, they won't be surrendering anytime soon. Pro Assad forces need to coordinate air attacks and ground assaults, or else is largely a wash. The rebels can suffer the casualties, they have numbers, they'll win a war of attrition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While it's "glorious" for the jihadi to die in battle, middle class western muslim teens that see this video might think twice before hoping a plane to Turkey to enter Syria. (And they weren't even hitting ISIS.) I think that is at least part of the point. Shock and awe. If they are going to do this they need to go big from the start to convince a lot of fence-sitters that it just isn't worth it. Raise the stakes enormously. That's what is actually needed and the russians certainly aren't worrying about collateral damage. You are looking at this through American eyes.This will convince more that they need to go fight Russians. Did TLAMs,JDAMs,Predators,Apaches with Hellfires,DPICM etc etc etc convince jihadis to stop fighting? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. A few times govt leaders had come close to throwing in the towel due solely to bombing campaigns. Meanwhile the people themselves are usually more determined and angry then ever, whether that be Brits. Germany, Japan, Vietnam, or even Iraqis. Considering who runs the various FSA rebel groups, ISIS, Al Nusra, and how decentralized that all are, they won't be surrendering anytime soon. Pro Assad forces need to coordinate air attacks and ground assaults, or else is largely a wash. The rebels can suffer the casualties, they have numbers, they'll win a war of attrition. Hammering them like this is certainly better than gingerly chipping away at them, afraid that someone might get hurt. But you're right, none of it means anything unless the infantry rolling right afterward. The difference here is that this is Assad's home turf. He isn't adventuring in some foreign country and likely there are a lot of people who support him in the areas he doesn't yet control. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 8:32:16 AM EDT
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Submunitions from MLRS are brutal. The newer Russian Smerch 300mm rockets with Western technology are no joke though. Smerch http://youtu.be/tvntHazo6hEQuote HistoryQuoted:
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comes in second to MLRS  Submunitions from MLRS are brutal. The newer Russian Smerch 300mm rockets with Western technology are no joke though. Smerch http://youtu.be/tvntHazo6hEI'm sure some know this, but "Smerch" in Russian means tornado. It comes from the word "Smert", which means death. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 8:40:49 AM EDT
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populations are easy. Its the leaders you have to convince. Spain, 2005. United States, 2009. Lockerbe, 1988 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm a huge fan of artillery, but I have to agree with Steinhab that you can't coerce a population to cease a fight. You have to beat them on the field. Which is why we have combined arms maneuver to begin with. populations are easy. Its the leaders you have to convince. Spain, 2005. United States, 2009. Lockerbe, 1988 Ironically the time bombing to submission was really tried, the capability to do it did not exist (Nagasaki and Hiroshima excluded of course). Now that the capability exists we don't do it. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 8:48:59 AM EDT
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Ironically the time bombing to submission was really tried, the capability to do it did not exist (Nagasaki and Hiroshima excluded of course). Now that the capability exists we don't do it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm a huge fan of artillery, but I have to agree with Steinhab that you can't coerce a population to cease a fight. You have to beat them on the field. Which is why we have combined arms maneuver to begin with. populations are easy. Its the leaders you have to convince. Spain, 2005. United States, 2009. Lockerbe, 1988 Ironically the time bombing to submission was really tried, the capability to do it did not exist (Nagasaki and Hiroshima excluded of course). Now that the capability exists we don't do it. as predicted. strategic bombing was never supposed to be used in war, it was only supposed to deter wars. there are lots of ironies in airpower. from the strategic/policy perspective is that strategic bombing was seen by the fascist douhet as a means to deter/coerce democracies. a dictator doesn't give a shit if his people suffer. but it was the democracies, who projected their own vulnerabilities onto the enemy, that were most interested in strategic bombings and it was the facists, who projected their own disregard onto their enemies, who focused on traditional means to defeat and used aircraft to support ground offenses. If Germany had subjected Britain to the same bombings we gave to them, Britain would have surrendered in 1940. Even Churchill couldn't have held that together. this same dynamic is seen today by the checkmate faggots gargling warden's cock. they always devise the perfect targeting plan to defeat the US Air Force and never for a moment pause to realize that our vulnerabilities are not shared by our enemies. TL;DR. People are fucking idiots. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 1:24:15 PM EDT
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Hammering them like this is certainly better than gingerly chipping away at them, afraid that someone might get hurt. But you're right, none of it means anything unless the infantry rolling right afterward. The difference here is that this is Assad's home turf. He isn't adventuring in some foreign country and likely there are a lot of people who support him in the areas he doesn't yet control. Assad's home turf is Latakia and Tartus governorates. The rest of the country is Sunni dominated and enemy territory. Akin to a Boston Yankee going to Texas. Not welcome at best of times, definitely not welcome now. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 8:54:06 PM EDT
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True area denial is done with M38, M40, BLU-36/B and BLU-59/B bomblets. They used the M218 and XM224 Random Delay fuzes (i.e. they just randomly exploded for hours after arming). Oh, they came in clusters of 655 to 670 for the BLU-36/B and BLU-59/B and 2020 for the M38/M40. These were the ones that I feared finding as an EOD tech, Gators, RAAMS, ADAMS and the rest of the FASCAM required you to do something to cause them to function, these just randomly exploded without any outside influence. This website is a fantastic reference of all things Aviation Ordnance. Back in the 90's I went to Nellis AFB to help sweep the ICM grid at Indian Springs. The Air Force had done a test of dropping CBU's from B-52s, 96 at a time and there were thousands of dud BLU-97 scattered across the lake bed.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's how you do area denial... True area denial is done with M38, M40, BLU-36/B and BLU-59/B bomblets. They used the M218 and XM224 Random Delay fuzes (i.e. they just randomly exploded for hours after arming). Oh, they came in clusters of 655 to 670 for the BLU-36/B and BLU-59/B and 2020 for the M38/M40. These were the ones that I feared finding as an EOD tech, Gators, RAAMS, ADAMS and the rest of the FASCAM required you to do something to cause them to function, these just randomly exploded without any outside influence. This website is a fantastic reference of all things Aviation Ordnance. Back in the 90's I went to Nellis AFB to help sweep the ICM grid at Indian Springs. The Air Force had done a test of dropping CBU's from B-52s, 96 at a time and there were thousands of dud BLU-97 scattered across the lake bed. It moved.
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Posted: 10/15/2015 9:49:08 PM EDT
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True area denial is done with M38, M40, BLU-36/B and BLU-59/B bomblets. They used the M218 and XM224 Random Delay fuzes (i.e. they just randomly exploded for hours after arming). Oh, they came in clusters of 655 to 670 for the BLU-36/B and BLU-59/B and 2020 for the M38/M40. These were the ones that I feared finding as an EOD tech, Gators, RAAMS, ADAMS and the rest of the FASCAM required you to do something to cause them to function, these just randomly exploded without any outside influence. This website is a fantastic reference of all things Aviation Ordnance. Back in the 90's I went to Nellis AFB to help sweep the ICM grid at Indian Springs. The Air Force had done a test of dropping CBU's from B-52s, 96 at a time and there were thousands of dud BLU-97 scattered across the lake bed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's how you do area denial... True area denial is done with M38, M40, BLU-36/B and BLU-59/B bomblets. They used the M218 and XM224 Random Delay fuzes (i.e. they just randomly exploded for hours after arming). Oh, they came in clusters of 655 to 670 for the BLU-36/B and BLU-59/B and 2020 for the M38/M40. These were the ones that I feared finding as an EOD tech, Gators, RAAMS, ADAMS and the rest of the FASCAM required you to do something to cause them to function, these just randomly exploded without any outside influence. This website is a fantastic reference of all things Aviation Ordnance. Back in the 90's I went to Nellis AFB to help sweep the ICM grid at Indian Springs. The Air Force had done a test of dropping CBU's from B-52s, 96 at a time and there were thousands of dud BLU-97 scattered across the lake bed. Could those duds have been made so by the blast and fragments of bomblets that exploded milliseconds earlier? 
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Posted: 10/15/2015 10:02:32 PM EDT
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"Artillery adds dignity, to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl” – Frederick the Great, king of Germany, 1740 to 1786 'nuff said... |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 10:37:09 PM EDT
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comes in second to MLRS 12 300mm rockets (BM-30 Smerch) 12 227mm rockets (M270 MLRS) If the Russians can make em accurate, they could seriously put the hurt on someone. ESPECIALLY when you consider max range is nearly TWICE of ours. We no longer use unguided rounds or submunitions I assume because it isn't a nice or kind way to blow people to pieces? no because the UXOs are found by some kid who then go gets a squad of ssapperss to go clean them up because EOD isn't in theater yet ask me how I know 
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Posted: 11/21/2015 10:41:19 PM EDT
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It's all fun and games until the cluster bombs start raining down. |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 10:52:15 PM EDT
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What are those subs equivalent to, 60mm mortar ? don't know our m-42s were smaller than a grenade but hsd a shapecharge m42 was an arty fired cluster bomb the airdroped was something else m72or 77 I think |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 11:02:41 PM EDT
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Quote Historythe car alarm is a nice touch that is some scary stuff |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 9:33:11 AM EDT
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don't know our m-42s were smaller than a grenade but hsd a shapecharge m42 was an arty fired cluster bomb the airdroped was something else m72or 77 I think Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are those subs equivalent to, 60mm mortar ? don't know our m-42s were smaller than a grenade but hsd a shapecharge m42 was an arty fired cluster bomb the airdroped was something else m72or 77 I think M42 is a scored body submission, while the M46 is a non-scored body submission, M77 is used in MLRS rockets and is larger than the M42/46 |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 9:40:30 AM EDT
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If I was that camera guy i would of been putting as many miles between me and that area as i could get in a right fucking hurry. That's a lot of fuck you in one area. yep he is probably on his way to Germany by now. This... now he and his buddies will become truly dangerous. |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 9:52:47 AM EDT
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Wheres the leftwing outrage because they might have hit some Mosque ? You noticed that too? You notice that there is ZERO complaints of civilian casualties, torn Korans, damaged schools/hospitals by the American media/Hollywood/UN by the Russians military operations? They only complain about the American military which they hate. |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 10:03:09 AM EDT
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I couldn't see the camera guy's facial expression but I don't think he was too happy with what he saw. He was missing out on all the Virgins
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Posted: 11/22/2015 10:06:33 AM EDT
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Is it just me or did you also expect to hear the explosives going off?
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