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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:26:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. Wonder if an AT-4 will penetrate a T-62? The only AT-4 training I ever had was in basic, they said to aim for a track on a tank. But a T-62 is old enough, maybe you could punch through? It will smoke a T62 |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:26:48 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: dude...stop reporting reality....Ukraine is marching on moscow as we speak.... taking video's of your own men and equipment being killed and destroyed is how you win wars...didn't y a know? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:28:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn Could you imagine the US pulling M48s and Sherman's out of retirement, or even M60 tanks? The majority of M48s were already shot up by our air force as range targets. They used to deliver trainloads of them periodically to Drum. I got to look all through them years ago in the AF storage area of the ranges prior to them getting shot up. I’d already been in M60s as I was a mortarman in an armor bn. Rather be in the mortar carrier than an M60. A lot less maintenance head aches.  The M48s looked cool though. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:29:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did Ukraine get all those T62s? I wonder  And T90A tanks? And T80BVMs? And T72B3s? Models only Russia used  well other than the t90s and t80 (etc) they had them in inventory.... getting so much "russian equipment", that the gyspy zelensky is begging nato and every country in the world for more tanks and equpipment u ever deviate from ur CIA talking points? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:30:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a plan to get us to deplete reserves while they have ramped up. This is 1937 and we are behind. We need to ramp up ASAP. If anyone needs a great production coordinator hit me up. ?? The west has every production wild card up it's sleeves. USA? yep. Lend lease. South Korea? Yep. Poland? Same. Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Romania? Absolutely. Russia cannot compete on production in any metric. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:30:31 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is buying ammunition and war material from North Korea and Iran. Who are the ones bringing 60 year old tanks back in service, again? @comradeputinfluffer @nomad07 ...ur CIA handlers never gave u the memo oh how that shit has been debunked even by the pentagon and DOD??? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:33:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...ur CIA handlers never gave u the memo oh how that shit has been debunked even by the pentagon and DOD??? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:33:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: well other than the t90s and t80 (etc) they had them in inventory.... getting so much "russian equipment", that the gyspy zelensky is begging nato and every country in the world for more tanks and equpipment u ever deviate from ur CIA talking points? The T72B3 was never used by Ukraine. In this conflict it was only used by Russia. It's fairly easy to identify because of that. Same for the T80BVM. It was only issued to a select few units, also in Russia. BMD4M? Russia only, captured during the great Hostomel VDV massacre. Su35? Also. Su30? Same. KA52? Also a Russian only vehicle. it's easy to see Russia is Ukraine's greatest armament supplier. And because of the repair factories running full tilt in CZ and Poland damaged tanks near write off will be repaired and sent back. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:34:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...ur CIA handlers never gave u the memo oh how that shit has been debunked even by the pentagon and DOD??? Where did those Geran-2, I mean "Shahed 136" drones come from, again? Why is russia having to steal tanks from belarus? Because Russia stronk, right? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:38:22 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they lost their first rate units, equipment, and are resorting to the T62, as seen above. They didn't expect to lose almost half of their active duty tank fleet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia has roughly a population of 144 million. They lost over 60k so far. How can they be scraping the bottom of the barrel already? Because they lost their first rate units, equipment, and are resorting to the T62, as seen above. They didn't expect to lose almost half of their active duty tank fleet. They are scraping just to come up with troops as well. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:40:06 PM EDT
[#11]
I just hope that when they get to the point of raiding the Kubinka tank museum and put the Maus into service there will be video.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:41:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is gonna be in a world of hurt if China decides to make a move to reclaim what they think is theirs in the East. Kind of fortuitous that Chinese-owned politicians in the West have backed Ukraine and bled out Russia, materially. TC I really don't doubt that Russia would nuke China if China invades them while this is all going on. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:43:04 PM EDT
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Quantity has a quality of its own
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:45:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...ur CIA handlers never gave u the memo oh how that shit has been debunked even by the pentagon and DOD??? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia is buying ammunition and war material from North Korea and Iran. Who are the ones bringing 60 year old tanks back in service, again? @comradeputinfluffer @nomad07 ...ur CIA handlers never gave u the memo oh how that shit has been debunked even by the pentagon and DOD??? Ladies and gentlemen, you now have a glimpse into the mind of the pro-Russian arfcommer. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:45:29 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is gonna be in a world of hurt if China decides to make a move to reclaim what they think is theirs in the East. Kind of fortuitous that Chinese-owned politicians in the West have backed Ukraine and bled out Russia, materially. TC |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:53:07 PM EDT
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Is it possible that Russia is using shit vehicles and conscripts to soak up Ukranian anti armour resources ?
Holding better trained and equipped units in reserve for when the Ukranians run low ? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:56:11 PM EDT
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Will these re-issued T62s still be a soup can to the Javelin?
These puppies don't have auto-loaders, from what I have been able to discover. So, another crew member is needed and the loading is much slower. (30sec vs 6 sec) That may not seem like much, but, humans loading shells into chambers can be distracted and make mistakes. RUS making mistakes? Who would have guessed. That said, I don't see the few hundred they get onto the battle field making a difference. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:58:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Possible they went to shit and they just scrapped some to keep others running? 1. Production never equalled the stated numbers, for a combination of propaganda and corruption. 2. People charged with inventory were either bribed or tricked in manner in which the Mercury Cyclone Spoiler was "homolgated" for NASCAR competition despite not having produced the required 500 models. The parked the Cyclone Spoilers on the front, sides, and back of the parking area and filled the middle with regular Mercury Cyclones. This explains ... 3. ... where some of the T-62 are coming from - they were filling the "middle of the motor pool" where T-72 were supposed be that were never produced or sold off through the back gate to foreign countries. Russia is very corrupt. And ... 4. Using the T-62 allows using reserve troops, maintainers, and instructors who were trained on the -62 "back in the day" but not newer models. In fact, even if only trained on the -55 they should be able to operate and maintain the -62. Remember you need not only tanks, but also crews, spares, and mechanics. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:01:27 PM EDT
[#19]
this is like reading red storm rising only Ukraine is kicking the shit out of their armor rather than the US
I just hope, like the book, if the russian power brokers seriously start talking use of tac nukes, a cabal stage a coup and take out the crazies and sue for peace. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:06:53 PM EDT
[#20]
I'm curious about the main gun ammo. I'm pretty sure there is no new manufacture and 40 years of storage on the open Tundra is not going to help.
Maybe we'll see a lot of self detonating tank videos? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:07:31 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are scraping just to come up with troops as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russia has roughly a population of 144 million. They lost over 60k so far. How can they be scraping the bottom of the barrel already? Because they lost their first rate units, equipment, and are resorting to the T62, as seen above. They didn't expect to lose almost half of their active duty tank fleet. They are scraping just to come up with troops as well. Then the whole conscription system is broken... Say that you are in charge of some administrative unit of Russia... You get the call that you have to send 500 conscripts to fight in the special military operations. Who do you send? Your smart kids that are running your economy? The ones going to University? Or do you send the contents of the local jail, drunk tank, dive bar, and home for the criminally insane? It's not like anybody is checking to see if the people you send were ever trained or anything. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:08:30 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it possible that Russia is using shit vehicles and conscripts to soak up Ukranian anti armour resources ? Holding better trained and equipped units in reserve for when the Ukranians run low ? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:09:03 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious about the main gun ammo. I'm pretty sure there is no new manufacture and 40 years of storage on the open Tundra is not going to help. Maybe we'll see a lot of self detonating tank videos? Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious about the main gun ammo. I'm pretty sure there is no new manufacture and 40 years of storage on the open Tundra is not going to help. Maybe we'll see a lot of self detonating tank videos? Belgium and Russia still make it, not to mention lots of stored ammunition. The Belgian made stuff is the best performing on the market. Quoted: Will these re-issued T62s still be a soup can to the Javelin? These puppies don't have auto-loaders, from what I have been able to discover. So, another crew member is needed and the loading is much slower. (30sec vs 6 sec) That may not seem like much, but, humans loading shells into chambers can be distracted and make mistakes. RUS making mistakes? Who would have guessed. That said, I don't see the few hundred they get onto the battle field making a difference. Humans can be faster but autoloaders don't get tired. Only needing 3 to completely crew a vehicle is a big benefit. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. Wonder if an AT-4 will penetrate a T-62? The only AT-4 training I ever had was in basic, they said to aim for a track on a tank. But a T-62 is old enough, maybe you could punch through? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Somewhere in the big thread is a claim that 15% of recent tank kills are T-62 Damn. Wonder if an AT-4 will penetrate a T-62? The only AT-4 training I ever had was in basic, they said to aim for a track on a tank. But a T-62 is old enough, maybe you could punch through? A stock T-62? A M72 LAW would take it out. It only has around 250mm of frontal armor. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:16:27 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Possible they went to shit and they just scrapped some to keep others running? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's not only not advanced, it's devolved. All the shit worth stealing and selling has been stolen and sold. There's no way, based on paper, that Russia should be out of T-72's. No way. Or T-80's, for that matter. Not based on actual (claimed) production and export numbers. So either the initial production number were a lie (which, well, communism), or their military was scrapping newer tanks (which had probably been stripped of everything usable) rather than older ones. This is worth repeating. For decades, the CIA was telling Congress how much industrial production and armor the USSR was building. And some American economics professors were saying that the math didn't add up, that systemically the communist system led to exaggerations of tank output, and that the USSR couldn't be building these amounts of armaments. This all became moot in 1991/1992 and has mostly been forgotten as a footnote. But maybe the economists were correct all along; the tanks never actually got built. Possible they went to shit and they just scrapped some to keep others running? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:22:51 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will these re-issued T62s still be a soup can to the Javelin? These puppies don't have auto-loaders, from what I have been able to discover. So, another crew member is needed and the loading is much slower. (30sec vs 6 sec) That may not seem like much, but, humans loading shells into chambers can be distracted and make mistakes. RUS making mistakes? Who would have guessed. That said, I don't see the few hundred they get onto the battle field making a difference. 30 seconds for a human reload? Well I suppose that depends on the layout of tank main gun ammunition, but even if the rounds are poorly stored and difficult to access, a good loader can still be at the ready to “lap load” when reloading and that method is faster than a T-72 series auto loader. I can’t remember what the TRADOC “Go / No-Go” standards for time to reload the M256 120mm main gun are for the US Army, but you were a shitbag loader if you couldn’t get it done in 6 seconds during TCGST (now GST) before gunnery. BTW, a very senior but now-retired MG told me some time ago that the 19K wimminz want more time to reload because they are having a hard time meeting TRADOC testing standards. 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:25:17 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We would still expect to see the hulls somewhere. And we don't. Not in numbers that add up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's not only not advanced, it's devolved. All the shit worth stealing and selling has been stolen and sold. There's no way, based on paper, that Russia should be out of T-72's. No way. Or T-80's, for that matter. Not based on actual (claimed) production and export numbers. So either the initial production number were a lie (which, well, communism), or their military was scrapping newer tanks (which had probably been stripped of everything usable) rather than older ones. This is worth repeating. For decades, the CIA was telling Congress how much industrial production and armor the USSR was building. And some American economics professors were saying that the math didn't add up, that systemically the communist system led to exaggerations of tank output, and that the USSR couldn't be building these amounts of armaments. This all became moot in 1991/1992 and has mostly been forgotten as a footnote. But maybe the economists were correct all along; the tanks never actually got built. Possible they went to shit and they just scrapped some to keep others running? CFE treaty and inspection / verification process would have the answer to that question. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:27:30 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it possible that Russia is using shit vehicles and conscripts to soak up Ukranian anti armour resources ? Holding better trained and equipped units in reserve for when the Ukranians run low ? They've burned out their best units trying to take Kyiv and holding Kherson and Kharkiv. There are no more good units left, just remainders. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:39:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn Could you imagine the US pulling M48s and Sherman's out of retirement, or even M60 tanks? Quote HistoryQuoted: Could you imagine the US pulling M48s and Sherman's out of retirement, or even M60 tanks? Probably look similar to the Israeli Magach-7 series for the M60 |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:41:00 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has roughly a population of 144 million. They lost over 60k so far. How can they be scraping the bottom of the barrel already? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They will next have to goto the gulag and offer someone 6 months of service to end a jail term. They are running out of bodies. They started that months ago. Russia has roughly a population of 144 million. They lost over 60k so far. How can they be scraping the bottom of the barrel already? Great way to get rid of undesirables |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:42:39 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4. Using the T-62 allows using reserve troops, maintainers, and instructors who were trained on the -62 "back in the day" but not newer models. In fact, even if only trained on the -55 they should be able to operate and maintain the -62. Remember you need not only tanks, but also crews, spares, and mechanics. Add a brief training module on how to look cool and die with honor while blundering around with bad tactics, equipment, leadership and breath... ...and I think these T-62 crews will be up to speed on the glorious new battlespace. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:46:24 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably look similar to the Israeli Magach-7 series for the M60 Wasn't the proposed M60A4 a lot like what eventually became the Sabra? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:48:28 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't the proposed M60A4 a lot like what eventually became the Sabra? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Probably look similar to the Israeli Magach-7 series for the M60 Wasn't the proposed M60A4 a lot like what eventually became the Sabra? Think so…….. had a lot of reactive armor all over it |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:49:33 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it possible that Russia is using shit vehicles and conscripts to soak up Ukranian anti armour resources ? Holding better trained and equipped units in reserve for when the Ukranians run low ? They are well past the point to send in the reserve. At this point Russia is trying to maintain the prewar border. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:52:52 PM EDT
[#35]
 Combat Mission Units: M60 Usually Hapless does a good workup on the M-60 and varients Combat Mission is a great game too 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:55:21 PM EDT
[#36]
Russia's newest armored vehicle
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:04:37 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And? 1985 NATO would've whooped their asses . The ONLY issue would've been keeping people supplied w enough ammo . Russian equipment has been shown to be total crap . Maybe by then, but not much before then. The biggest equipment shortcoming that the Russians had then and now is that their central bank printing press sucks compared to that of the U.S.A. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:08:22 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lost in this is the question of whether tanks in general are obsolete now. Came here to post this, the tanks are being used as rocket fodder to draw fire away from other equipment. I'd bet they're not even fully crewing them in the field too. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:14:30 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are well past the point to send in the reserve. At this point Russia is trying to maintain the prewar border. Seems they would have a much easier time holding to the internationally recognized one, since Ukraine wouldn't want to push past it. 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:16:11 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Came here to post this, the tanks are being used as rocket fodder to draw fire away from other equipment. I'd bet they're not even fully crewing them in the field too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lost in this is the question of whether tanks in general are obsolete now. Came here to post this, the tanks are being used as rocket fodder to draw fire away from other equipment. I'd bet they're not even fully crewing them in the field too. Tanks were declared obsolete multiple times in the last 50 years, but what follows is always new counter-measures or tactics that brings allows them to be used, and highlights the need for mobile protected firepower. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:20:08 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. That’s an SU-100…….. 122 has the big brake on the end of the barrel……. It’s going to be funny seeing those roll into combat, only to get can-opened by an AT weapon…… what’s next, T-34s and JS-2s? There’s a reason the Russkies don’t throw stuff away Maybe we're finally going to see the importation of a mess of WWI vintage Model 1895 Winchesters in 7.62X54R...as Ukrainian captures. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:21:53 PM EDT
[#42]
For all the "lol T-34" talk, I wonder if they're pulling the really old shit out of retirement to use in some capacity where "a tank" is enough? WW2-era armor is still armor, and I bet it'd still laugh at small arms fire and things like a drone-delivered grenade. I'd wonder how long the really old stuff will run for under field conditions, but hell, putting a shitty old tank behind an offensive which otherwise wouldn't have one against an area with no capable opposition to "armored moving thing with a 7.62x54r machine gun " could make all the difference.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:22:01 PM EDT
[#43]
Javelin = Hot knife
All Russian armor = Soft creamy butter Nuff said! |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:25:39 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tanks were declared obsolete multiple times in the last 50 years, but what follows is always new counter-measures or tactics that brings allows them to be used, and highlights the need for mobile protected firepower. I agree that declaring tanks to be obsolete seems shortsighted. However, i imagine that with proliferation of active defense, that we'll see lighter tanks that don't rely solely on a mass of steel for defensive measures (since that armor won't stop a javelin anyway). In turn, I would imagine that tanks weighing less than 50 tons will open up other compact possibilities due to their ability to utilize extant infrastructure (which might be a role for the T-55S being sent from Sovakia, maybe those will be able to squirrel themselves where larger/heavier tanks cannot get to?) |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:26:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For all the "lol T-34" talk, I wonder if they're pulling the really old shit out of retirement to use in some capacity where "a tank" is enough? WW2-era armor is still armor, and I bet it'd still laugh at small arms fire and things like a drone-delivered grenade. I'd wonder how long the really old stuff will run for under field conditions, but hell, putting a shitty old tank behind an offensive which otherwise wouldn't have one against an area with no capable opposition to "armored moving thing with a 7.62x54r machine gun " could make all the difference. Wouldn't be hard to see that being the case. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:31:40 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Belgium and Russia still make it, not to mention lots of stored ammunition. The Belgian made stuff is the best performing on the market. Humans can be faster but autoloaders don't get tired. Only needing 3 to completely crew a vehicle is a big benefit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm curious about the main gun ammo. I'm pretty sure there is no new manufacture and 40 years of storage on the open Tundra is not going to help. Maybe we'll see a lot of self detonating tank videos? Belgium and Russia still make it, not to mention lots of stored ammunition. The Belgian made stuff is the best performing on the market. Quoted: Will these re-issued T62s still be a soup can to the Javelin? These puppies don't have auto-loaders, from what I have been able to discover. So, another crew member is needed and the loading is much slower. (30sec vs 6 sec) That may not seem like much, but, humans loading shells into chambers can be distracted and make mistakes. RUS making mistakes? Who would have guessed. That said, I don't see the few hundred they get onto the battle field making a difference. Humans can be faster but autoloaders don't get tired. Only needing 3 to completely crew a vehicle is a big benefit. Doesn't that make maintenance/replacing a track more difficult? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:33:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean the MPF program that GDLS won? Or "mobile protected firepower" as a concept? I agree that declaring tanks to be obsolete seems shortsighted. However, i imagine that with proliferation of active defense, that we'll see lighter tanks that don't rely solely on a mass of steel for defensive measures (since that armor won't stop a javelin anyway). In turn, I would imagine that tanks weighing less than 50 tons will open up other compact possibilities due to their ability to utilize extant infrastructure (which might be a role for the T-55S being sent from Sovakia, maybe those will be able to squirrel themselves where larger/heavier tanks cannot get to?) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tanks were declared obsolete multiple times in the last 50 years, but what follows is always new counter-measures or tactics that brings allows them to be used, and highlights the need for mobile protected firepower. I agree that declaring tanks to be obsolete seems shortsighted. However, i imagine that with proliferation of active defense, that we'll see lighter tanks that don't rely solely on a mass of steel for defensive measures (since that armor won't stop a javelin anyway). In turn, I would imagine that tanks weighing less than 50 tons will open up other compact possibilities due to their ability to utilize extant infrastructure (which might be a role for the T-55S being sent from Sovakia, maybe those will be able to squirrel themselves where larger/heavier tanks cannot get to?) I haven’t kept up with active defense technology, but I would think the technological challenges of stopping KE AP munitions w/ an omni-directional explosive charge a difficult milestone. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:35:16 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean the MPF program that GDLS won? Or "mobile protected firepower" as a concept? I agree that declaring tanks to be obsolete seems shortsighted. However, i imagine that with proliferation of active defense, that we'll see lighter tanks that don't rely solely on a mass of steel for defensive measures (since that armor won't stop a javelin anyway). In turn, I would imagine that tanks weighing less than 50 tons will open up other compact possibilities due to their ability to utilize extant infrastructure (which might be a role for the T-55S being sent from Sovakia, maybe those will be able to squirrel themselves where larger/heavier tanks cannot get to?) He means the concept. And look at the FCS tank to see where the Army has thought these things were headed before. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:36:06 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Question for the military historians here in this esteemed forum Was the T62 the pressure cooker that explodes from it's own magazine/explosive shells when it's hit and blows it's own turret like a Jack-in-The-Box? I like watching them cook off  Boom!Boom!Boom!Boom!Boom!!!A T-62 is like any other tank that has metal cased ammunition loose in the turret and hull with HE that is sensitive to fire and explosion. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:36:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm no tank expert, but aren't these older models even more fuel inefficient than current models? I mean, i know a tank isn't a mpg role model, but Russia can barely maintain its own supply chain, let alone maintain what is probably an even more fuel hungry and maintenance intensive model. Not that they have a choice, but this is rapidly devolving into zero sum for them-- The more armor they lose, the more antiques they deploy resulting in less up-time for the armor, which likely results in more amore lost... I mean, I knew Russian propaganda was full of bullshit, but I never imagined them to be this bad. Downside, old engines. Upside, 36 tonnes. |
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