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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:48:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think this is the 4th ot 5th time the Russians were running out of artillery shells That was first reported around the May/June timeframe. I did a quick calculation on 1989 numbers of artillery systems the Russians had on hand. Then estimated based on the same ratio of guns to shells based on US ratios. It came out that the Russians had enough ammunition for 1000 guns to fire 50 shells each day for 5 years We were told that the Ruble was ready to collapse months ago. The missile were supposed to be almost gone also. It's all propaganda to try and keep morale up for the Ukrainians Another $50 billion should win the war! |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:54:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russians never throw anything out. They probably forgot where all the stockpiles are? They've burned through a few decades worth of it already, based on the age of some of the stuff showing up on the battlefield. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:56:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US would have a very hard time in a chemical environment. I remember in 2003 we were really worried about Sadam following Soviet doctrine, and sliming the airbases. We trained a lot, we carried full mop gear everywhere, and had stockpiles of decon vehicles and chemicals. It would have been a shit show, and besides the Israelis, we were probably the best trained for it. The U.S. Is trained and equiped well enough to handle an NBC environment. My unit 4/32nd Armor (m1A1's) pulled gate guard at the ports in Saudi Arabia for a couple of weeks while we awaited our tanks to arrive from Germany during Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Saddam launched a handful of scuds at the port most nights of the week. We were in MOPP 4 all of the time. Sleeping in MOPP 4. Thankfully all the scuds were conventional, so the damage done was through HE. Still did damage to the ports every night. The Patriots did well intercepting the Scuds, but then only broke them in half to still fall and blow-up. We were MOPP 2 and sometimes MOPP 4 during the ground offensive. I was later exposed to sarin nerve agent at the Wadi Albatein. We were in MOPP 2 and MOPP 4 quite a bit again in 2003-04. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:59:45 AM EST
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Stupid phone. Used to posting on computer.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:02:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their mob isn't capable of operating in a chemical environment. Don't have to. Just use it to suppress Ukrainian rear areas. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:02:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting the most basic of facts wrong is a serious shot to credibility on related opinions. Maybe that is a little more tactful way of putting it  Saying "we installed him in 2014" when he was clearly elected with 73% of the vote in 2019, yea, seriously doubt your opinion on related matters. Nothing about that is me "believing that propaganda!"  I am neutral on Zelensky other than acknowledging the fact he is doing everything he can to provide his military commanders with the tools they need to defend their country. Exactly anything else he says about the subject is suspect. Personally I would question anything he has to say about any subject. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:05:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They've burned through a few decades worth of it already, based on the age of some of the stuff showing up on the battlefield. Why wouldn't you burn through the old shit first? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:10:56 PM EST
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Just build arms factories like crazy. Don't depend on guesses. Just aim to out produce them. What ever their ammunition supply they still loose then. No guesses, no taking chances, just crush them.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:14:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys are still paying attention to the media rather than front line video and .mil reports? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: On Dec 23, UK "minitistry of truth" propaganda claimed Russia was out of missiles. https://www.newsweek.com/russia-forced-scale-back-missile-strikes-shortage-ukraine-uk-mod-1769466 Amazing! After only a few days, they found more missiles... Reuters..."KYIV, Dec 29 (Reuters) - Russia fired scores of missiles into Ukraine early on Thursday, targeting Kyiv and other cities including Lviv in the west and Odesa in the southwest, sending people rushing to shelters and knocking out power in one of Moscow's largest aerial assaults...Officials had earlier said more than 120 missiles were fired during the assault." https://news.yahoo.com/no-power-90-lviv-due-080215924.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall "No power in 90% of Lviv due to Russian attacks Ninety per cent of Lviv has been left without electricity due to Russian missile attacks on Thursday morning [29 December]." You guys are still paying attention to the media rather than front line video and .mil reports? I pay attention to different sources. Example, annoying music and embeded ad, but various Hindustan Times videos shows front line hits from both sides, with close-ups of Russia artillery loading...from Russia and mixed with Hindustan Times summary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coxotIdrnWI  ''Target destroyed'': Putin''s MT-12 Rapira wrecks Ukraine Army vehicle in Donbas | Details |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:30:26 PM EST
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Doubt, I remember when the Russians were running out of cruise missiles back in summer.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:33:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On Dec 23, UK "minitistry of truth" propaganda claimed Russia was out of missiles. https://www.newsweek.com/russia-forced-scale-back-missile-strikes-shortage-ukraine-uk-mod-1769466 Amazing! After only a few days, they found more missiles... Reuters..."KYIV, Dec 29 (Reuters) - Russia fired scores of missiles into Ukraine early on Thursday, targeting Kyiv and other cities including Lviv in the west and Odesa in the southwest, sending people rushing to shelters and knocking out power in one of Moscow's largest aerial assaults...Officials had earlier said more than 120 missiles were fired during the assault." https://news.yahoo.com/no-power-90-lviv-due-080215924.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall "No power in 90% of Lviv due to Russian attacks Ninety per cent of Lviv has been left without electricity due to Russian missile attacks on Thursday morning [29 December]." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:Russians-are-getting-quite-low-on-artillery-ammunition... What a mess. On Dec 23, UK "minitistry of truth" propaganda claimed Russia was out of missiles. https://www.newsweek.com/russia-forced-scale-back-missile-strikes-shortage-ukraine-uk-mod-1769466 Amazing! After only a few days, they found more missiles... Reuters..."KYIV, Dec 29 (Reuters) - Russia fired scores of missiles into Ukraine early on Thursday, targeting Kyiv and other cities including Lviv in the west and Odesa in the southwest, sending people rushing to shelters and knocking out power in one of Moscow's largest aerial assaults...Officials had earlier said more than 120 missiles were fired during the assault." https://news.yahoo.com/no-power-90-lviv-due-080215924.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall "No power in 90% of Lviv due to Russian attacks Ninety per cent of Lviv has been left without electricity due to Russian missile attacks on Thursday morning [29 December]." The same people who run Kvar run the Russia cruise missile warehouse. Change my mind! They magically keep finding some
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:49:15 PM EST
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:52:17 PM EST
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Quoted: This leads me to be concerned they might break out the 5000 to 10000 tons of chemical artillery they still have stored far away near the Ural mountains becuase they can't make 122s or 152s fast enough. Things are gonna get spooky next year, at least in the end, if things don't go nuclear, they will lose, eventually. On a side note I hope this war has re-taught a lesson to western powers that stockpiles are incredibly important which was painfully learned from the first year of ww1, becuase as I thought all throughout the cold war we did not have nearly enough stored to fight more than a few years in a hot cold but I admit with nukes being thrown around I might not have mattered. What a mess. I am curious. How do you see an outcome where Ukraine wins this? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:53:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It could be true, but keep in mind Nina Jankowicz, of the ministry of truth, was responsible for smoothing over the Azov Nazi thing back in 2014 when we installed Mr. Zelensky. If you think media reports have gotten somehow more truthful since then, you would be wrong. Most of the pro Ukranian propaganda have been centered on russians getting wrecked and being totally inadequately supplied. Of course it is amazing the fight that UKR has put up, but given that most of these stories turned out to not be true, I don't trust the latest news. I guess I don't understand how Russia could run out of arty, when they were stockpiling it like crazy, and it doesn't seem like it goes bad since we were using ammo from ww2 in GWOT. GD clown world. You jump into the discussion absolutely smug and absolutist, but Zelinsky didn’t get elected until 2019. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:53:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The USSR had stockpiles of munitions to send a multi million man army with tens of thousands of artillery pieces against NATO and push to the French coast, and mop up pockets of resistance. What the hell makes people think they threw them away? They still have T-34s in storage for Christ's sake. Sure, they didn't make enough of their new "super" weapons, but simple artillery shells? Puh-lease. You stack them up in dry caves, bunkers and warehouses. Look at how many mosins were still coming out of Russia 10 years ago. The Russians aren't going to run out of ammo, men, artillery pieces, guns, or tanks. They aren't going to be the tip of the spear stuff, but they aren't going to run out fighting a small war like the Ukraine when they were planning for armies of millions fighting millions. I think folks just don't appreciate how deep the cold war stockpiles got of things like munitions. The amounts of stuff that just ended up in places like Iraq should tell people if they are going to run out of anything it won't be conventional explosives.   
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:56:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP's thesis is vague. Do they have less? Sure. Are they 'lower'? Probably. Are they 'low'? Pretty imprecise metric. If they have less than a month supply, that's 'low'. If they have < 20% of what they started with, 'low'. Just because some CIA operative told a journalist in a bar they are 'low' doesn't mean they are low. It probably means the the CIA wants a Congress Critter to read that in the NYT, think 'That's authoritative, I better vote $45B for UKR to finish this off.' I'm always amazed when news outlets give us military info. 99% it's the DoD or CIA planting stories to manipulate public and elected government opinion. I don't think the American media has a dozen people in the actually UKR war zone. The possibility of the media getting real Russian supply info is nil - candidly, Putin doesn't have that info, Russia is so F****D Up. This The media is used to tell people what someone wants them to hear. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:57:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A cornered animal is very dangerous. It's best to let them have an escape route. IIRC theres something along these lines in The Art of War. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:58:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that you think if someone is wrong about one thing, they are wrong about everything shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Keep believing that propaganda! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It could be true, but keep in mind Nina Jankowicz, of the ministry of truth, was responsible for smoothing over the Azov Nazi thing back in 2014 when we installed Mr. Zelensky. If you think media reports have gotten somehow more truthful since then, you would be wrong. Most of the pro Ukranian propaganda have been centered on russians getting wrecked and being totally inadequately supplied. Of course it is amazing the fight that UKR has put up, but given that most of these stories turned out to not be true, I don't trust the latest news. I guess I don't understand how Russia could run out of arty, when they were stockpiling it like crazy, and it doesn't seem like it goes bad since we were using ammo from ww2 in GWOT. The fact that you think if someone is wrong about one thing, they are wrong about everything shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Keep believing that propaganda! Yup, since the Constitutional Convention in 1492 I have had the Constitutional Right to have a nuke in my basement! Obviously bow to my case law! |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:00:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The same media that lied about trump for 4 years is totally telling the truth now. Just because they all had a bunch of stories about Nazis in ukraine prior to the war, and nothing now doesn't mean that they are propaganda outlets. These are the highest levels of journalistic integrity in our life time, and we can totally believe that nuclear weapons are being dismantled to cannibalize the warheads into munitions.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:05:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In some ways yes but unfortunately for Russia much has changed since the cold war. Many of China long in use weaponry is simply incompatible with Russian stuff. Just look at the mainline rifle ammo, Russia uses 5.45x39 while China uses 5.8x42mm And it's not like they will retool for a nation they want revenge on for the 1860s treatises where Russia took a chunk of their land. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They'll always have China's support In some ways yes but unfortunately for Russia much has changed since the cold war. Many of China long in use weaponry is simply incompatible with Russian stuff. Just look at the mainline rifle ammo, Russia uses 5.45x39 while China uses 5.8x42mm And it's not like they will retool for a nation they want revenge on for the 1860s treatises where Russia took a chunk of their land. Lmao. After the collapse of the USSR they resolved some of those border disputes. If the Chicoms were so interested in grabbing Russian territory, why didnt they do so back in the 90s when the Russians were extremely weak? Norinco still produces 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R btw. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:07:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am curious. How do you see an outcome where Ukraine wins this? As long as we keep giving Ukraine top end stuff and they are willing to fight they are seemingly well on there way to push Russia out two years from now with there ridiculous KTDR It all hinges on what Russia will do when they are pushed out Will Russia white peace out? Or keep fighting and cause true Armageddon to their country? Perhaps not even nukes can save them in the long run of human history No matter what they do they have destroyed their nation for centuries to come with this war. I can forsee Russia being further cut up into smaller countries or turn into a place just as bad as North Korea. Will be interesting to witness. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:09:07 PM EST
[#22]
I have my doubts.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:09:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am curious. How do you see an outcome where Ukraine wins this? Not the person you asked, but here is how I see this playing out. Attrition is on Ukraine's side. Russia's troops are increasingly poorly trained and poorly equipped. We have numerous reports that Russia's conscripts are being sent into the field with only a week or two of training. Russia's running low on equipment - hence the cannibalization of some of their nuclear missiles as decoys, the increasing reliance on Iranian drones, and fielding outdated vehicles like T-62s. Wear and tear is also a factor - we have Russian sources indicating that tanks are increasingly being used as essentially static artillery pieces due to better ammunition availability for them. Tanks are not meant for that kind of sustained round count, and will wear them out. Russia has been unable to make meaningful progress anywhere in months, and has seen two major fronts collapse. Ukraine continues to receive western arms that are far newer and more capable than what Russia is dragging out of storage. They also have tens of thousands of troops receiving proper expert training in the UK and other NATO countries. For the past few months, initiative has shifted in Ukraine's favor, and the supply and logistics picture suggests this is unlikely to shift back towards Russia. In other words, time is on Ukraine's side. Geography is also a factor. The crown jewel of the areas Russia is occupying is Crimea. It will be very difficult for Russia to supply it if Ukraine retakes a few more areas. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:09:51 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A cornered animal is very dangerous. It's best to let them have an escape route. Putin has an escape route. He can withdraw at any time. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:10:09 PM EST
[#25]
They are very clearly running low on the front. Why that is is likely a combination of factors. Every source has demonstrated a marked reduction in fire from the Russian side over time. They also seem to be using tanks for indirect fire support.
My guess is a lot of it has to do with logistics, specifically Ukraine’s intelligence capability that allows it to HIMARS any concentration of anything approaching the front. The whole Russian rear is full of smartphones feeding intelligence to Ukraine, western intelligence is feeding info, etc. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:11:26 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A cornered animal is very dangerous. It's best to let them have an escape route. They have one, it’s called “East” |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:12:44 PM EST
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If they use chems it's gloves off and ww3.
They have everything to lose if they use it. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:13:09 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And here I am in my own town, in my own state, in my own country minding my own damn business... with my hands full of my own crap I have to deal with. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:14:26 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lmao. After the collapse of the USSR they resolved some of those border disputes. If the Chicoms were so interested in grabbing Russian territory, why didnt they do so back in the 90s when the Russians were extremely weak? Norinco still produces 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R btw. China is deliberately a slow actor, only recently have they started to be assholes to Mongolia. And do they make ammo? Oh sure but not in the quality Russia needs and it's already been shown that China has been giving Russia the cold shoulder all throughout this war China is on its own side afterall in the end. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:20:27 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The same media that lied about trump for 4 years is totally telling the truth now. Just because they all had a bunch of stories about Nazis in ukraine prior to the war, and nothing now doesn't mean that they are propaganda outlets. These are the highest levels of journalistic integrity in our life time, and we can totally believe that nuclear weapons are being dismantled to cannibalize the warheads into munitions. The use of Kh-55 missiles with inert ballast in place of the nuclear warhead was confirmed by the British Ministry of Defense. Unless you also believe the UK MoD is a liberal propaganda outfit? If so, you should probably stay off the internet, the NWO is trying to program your brain through subliminal signals hidden between your monitor refresh cycles. 
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:21:59 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think this is the 4th ot 5th time the Russians were running out of artillery shells That was first reported around the May/June timeframe. I did a quick calculation on 1989 numbers of artillery systems the Russians had on hand. Then estimated based on the same ratio of guns to shells based on US ratios. It came out that the Russians had enough ammunition for 1000 guns to fire 50 shells each day for 5 years We were told that the Ruble was ready to collapse months ago. The missile were supposed to be almost gone also. It's all propaganda to try and keep morale up for the Ukrainians You think the Ukrainians are the ones who need a morale boost? lol |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:25:02 PM EST
[#32]
Quoted: This leads me to be concerned they might break out the 5000 to 10000 tons of chemical artillery they still have stored far away near the Ural mountains becuase they can't make 122s or 152s fast enough. Things are gonna get spooky next year, at least in the end, if things don't go nuclear, they will lose, eventually. On a side note I hope this war has re-taught a lesson to western powers that stockpiles are incredibly important which was painfully learned from the first year of ww1, becuase as I thought all throughout the cold war we did not have nearly enough stored to fight more than a few years in a hot cold but I admit with nukes being thrown around I might not have mattered. What a mess. They are going to lose regardless...if it goes nuclear...Russia will 100% be rejected by all except the lowest of the low...their industry will cease to exist...China will reclaim many territories...Russia sucks...they picked the wrong fight... |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:26:34 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In some ways yes but unfortunately for Russia much has changed since the cold war. Many of China long in use weaponry is simply incompatible with Russian stuff. Just look at the mainline rifle ammo, Russia uses 5.45x39 while China uses 5.8x42mm And it's not like they will retool for a nation they want revenge on for the 1860s treatises where Russia took a chunk of their land. Yup...slowly China has been detaching from Russia...but Russia will remain their puppet state like NK after Ukraine is over...Chinese aren't idiots... |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:30:03 PM EST
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On the topic of artillery shells and munitions, if Russia wasn’t running low, then they wouldn’t be purchasing shells from North Korea and other countries. But yet it is, meaning, they can’t supply the war with their own stockpiles. Secondly, where do you think all of the Munitions that have been found all over the world in the various conflicts in Africa and the Middle East came from? I’m sure the Soviets had ungodly amounts of munitions stored up during the Cold War but a ton of that stuff got sold off to other countries or went out the back door by corrupt generals back in the 90s and early 2000s. So doing an analysis of what they might’ve had in 1989 and trying to assume that that would make sense today doesn’t really line up.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:30:13 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It could be true, but keep in mind Nina Jankowicz, of the ministry of truth, was responsible for smoothing over the Azov Nazi thing back in 2014 when we installed Mr. Zelensky. If you think media reports have gotten somehow more truthful since then, you would be wrong. Most of the pro Ukranian propaganda have been centered on russians getting wrecked and being totally inadequately supplied. Of course it is amazing the fight that UKR has put up, but given that most of these stories turned out to not be true, I don't trust the latest news. I guess I don't understand how Russia could run out of arty, when they were stockpiling it like crazy, and it doesn't seem like it goes bad since we were using ammo from ww2 in GWOT. Installed. You are either paid troll or delusional. We had nothing to do with 2014. Do you know who we did catch attacking and killing rioters in 2014? Russian GRU troops, best part is it was all livestreamed. We seeing that shitbag pulled out and we were stripping his uniform off when we saw the patch. Klitchko was holding up the torn patch after it was handed over to him for every one to see. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:31:55 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russians never throw anything out. They probably forgot where all the stockpiles are? I think back in 2004 or 2008 they found a stockpile of 38 or so T-72 tanks that military forgot about. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:32:43 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You think the Ukrainians are the ones who need a morale boost? lol I think Ukraine is getting hammered, the war is on their soil. It's their civilians being bombed. Yea, they likely need all the morale they can get. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:33:35 PM EST
[#38]
You know this is actually a meme by this point, right?
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:35:26 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Installed. You are either paid troll or delusional. We had nothing to do with 2014. Do you know who we did catch attacking and killing rioters in 2014? Russian GRU troops, best part is it was all livestreamed. We seeing that shitbag pulled out and we were stripping his uniform off when we saw the patch. Klitchko was holding up the torn patch after it was handed over to him for every one to see. If Tucker didn't say it it simply isn't truth. I am a freethinker.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:37:15 PM EST
[#40]
I am more concerned with OUR dwindling supply of weapons and ammunition as well as strategic oil reserves. Charity and concern starts at home. Fuck the world!
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:38:11 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They'll always have China's support Right up until the Russian military is so mauled that the People’s Liberation Army starts taking big chunks out of Siberia. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:38:32 PM EST
[#42]
We should sell patches to support the war effort in Russia. They need the funds.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:40:26 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am more concerned with OUR dwindling supply of weapons and ammunition as well as strategic oil reserves. Charity and concern starts at home. Fuck the world! Good point how is our stockpile of expired and about to expire javelins towns and stingers? I heard they are incredibly expensive to dispose of. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:40:53 PM EST
[#44]
The Saker presents a completely different perspective along with a video of Putin addressing his military leaders. Russia is gearing up for a serious war.
The Saker Direct link to the YT video  Vladimir Putin Addresses the Russian Defense Ministry Board Dec 21, 2022 - English Subtitles |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:42:43 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Saker presents a completely different perspective along with a video of Putin addressing his military leaders. Russia is gearing up for a serious war. The Saker Direct link to the YT video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ina98-IN9k8"this russian owned propaganda source says.." |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:44:28 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Saker presents a completely different perspective along with a video of Putin addressing his military leaders. Russia is gearing up for a serious war. The Saker Direct link to the YT video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ina98-IN9k8 Attached File |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:44:48 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Their mob isn't capable of operating in a chemical environment. The one with the gas mask breathes, when the one with the gas mask dies, the one with the rubber suit picks up the gas mask and dons it! The one with the gas mask breathes, when the one with the gas mask dies, the one with the rubber suit picks up the gas mask and dons it! Kharn |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:45:50 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A cornered animal is very dangerous. It's best to let them have an escape route. The "escape route" for the Russians troops to pull out of Ukraine is still pretty wide open. (Except for the Russian internal security troops & blocking forces and that pesky penalty they would face for "Desertion in time of Putin could end the war tomorrow if he pulled ALL the Russian troops out of ALL the Ukrainian territory the Russians occupy. Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:45:52 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The one with the gas mask breathes, when the one with the gas mask dies, the one with the rubber suit picks up the gas mask and dons it! The one with the gas mask breathes, when the one with the gas mask dies, the one with the rubber suit picks up the gas mask and dons it! Kharn You owe me a new keyboard you sick bastard 
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:48:10 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Saker presents a completely different perspective along with a video of Putin addressing his military leaders. Russia is gearing up for a serious war. The Saker Direct link to the YT video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ina98-IN9k8I can’t believe I actually read that entire thing. I can’t believe you actually think it’s sane. |
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