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Posted: 6/9/2023 3:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bradley's are not really a "heavy". Correct me if O am wrong, but I don't believe an Abrams was ever taken out by enemy fire. NVM |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 3:38:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've genuinely wondered why people keep harping on this? As shitty as Russian tactics are, the West knows its going to lose a good bit of equipment in this offensive. You know why. They are sucking Commie cock. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 3:43:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet I have some ocean front property for sale are you interested . |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 5:02:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/9/2023 5:05:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet Lol. Where do you guys come up with this shit? Quoted: Speed can be a type of security Can't outrun a mine. I don't know how anyone thinks a leopard or even an Abrams is going to do any better against AT landmines. I've seen plenty of Abrams eat shit from TM62's. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 5:05:11 PM EDT
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Looks like we need to rethink giving Abrams to these morons if they are going to employ them like standard Slavshit.
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Posted: 6/9/2023 5:08:19 PM EDT
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Company level SHORAD to deal with spotter drones and loitering UAVs need to be a thing
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Posted: 6/9/2023 5:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They didn't. It was fucking dumb. Bunched up on the only un-mined path through an open field and a rus drone called in arty fire. Basically it seems like in Ukraine if your armor isn't moving it's done for. What's the response time between being spotted by a drone and arty incoming? That's how long your armor has to stop. Nah guys let's park them all together here so the boys can have a smoke and a shit |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 5:10:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct me if O am wrong, but I don't believe an Abrams was ever taken out by enemy fire. You are wrong. Several have been taken out by tandem RPG's in Iraq, and quite a few due to IEDs and mines. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 5:27:45 PM EDT
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At this point both the Leopard 2 and the Abrams are long in the tooth and they probably would have started to have been phased out around 2010 if tank development hadn't slowed from Cold War levels.
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Posted: 6/9/2023 5:36:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When is this going to end?? Return of the King. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 5:43:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point both the Leopard 2 and the Abrams are long in the tooth and they probably would have started to have been phased out around 2010 if tank development hadn't slowed from Cold War levels. The main threats for armor in Ukraine are heavy antitank mines and small drones hitting their thin top armor. The only modern tank that could possibly deal with those threats better is the Merkava IV. US and European tanks put all their focus on protecting their front and sides from other tanks and ATGMs. Even a 40mm HEDP grenade dropped from a drone would easily penetrate the top armor of an M1A2 |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 5:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've genuinely wondered why people keep harping on this? As shitty as Russian tactics are, the West knows its going to lose a good bit of equipment in this offensive. Yeah, it will happen. The Russians might not have a ton of good anti-tank missiles, tanks, or qualified soldiers to use them, but artillery can do good work. It's one of the things the Russians have plenty of. A lucky or well directed round can cause a mobility kill which makes it easy for subsequent rounds to hit. Anti-tank mines are also very effective at mobility kills. No big surprise with the Brads, they aren't so well armored. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 7:47:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they are stupid…  A lot of this in their past.. 
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Posted: 6/9/2023 9:28:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are wrong. Several have been taken out by tandem RPG's in Iraq, and quite a few due to IEDs and mines. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Correct me if O am wrong, but I don't believe an Abrams was ever taken out by enemy fire. You are wrong. Several have been taken out by tandem RPG's in Iraq, and quite a few due to IEDs and mines. I saw the same documentary he is talking about. And I think that was a pre GWOT statement. There is a video of an Abrams taken out by a lucky shot from an RPG on the run for Baghdad. They had to destroy the sensitive equipment in it and leave it. I'm sure they were able to recover the hull later on and reuse it. So know knows if they count that as a true "loss". |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 9:33:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When is this going to end?? Death of the dollar means no more dollars for U-Crane. The Neo-Cons who suport it are more than happy to fight to the last U-Cranian. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 9:37:55 PM EDT
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Some GoPro footage from one of the Bradleys:
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Posted: 6/9/2023 10:00:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw the same documentary he is talking about. And I think that was a pre GWOT statement. There is a video of an Abrams taken out by a lucky shot from an RPG on the run for Baghdad. They had to destroy the sensitive equipment in it and leave it. I'm sure they were able to recover the hull later on and reuse it. So know knows if they count that as a true "loss". There were plenty of Abrams taken out during the GWOT, not just one in the beginning. My unit lost several on one deployment. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 10:01:42 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Company level SHORAD to deal with spotter drones and loitering UAVs need to be a thing Bingo. Avengers for everyone! |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 10:02:31 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Death of the dollar means no more dollars for U-Crane. The Neo-Cons who suport it are more than happy to fight to the last U-Cranian. That also kills the money laundering you claim is so prevalent, right? |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 10:03:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo. Avengers for everyone! Perfect, the $400K per missile system we haven't produced in almost two decades to take out $2K "spotter drones" and $20K OWAs. And we wonder why they constantly run out of everything. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 7:43:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perfect, the $400K per missile system we haven't produced in almost two decades to take out $2K "spotter drones" and $20K OWAs. And we wonder why they constantly run out of everything. Drones launch kornet ATGMs and have dual rotor blades? Sometimes cost is not the determining factor. A 20k dollar drone flying towards the White House is going to be engaged regardless based upon the amount of damage and unknown aspect to it. How much damage through intel is that capable of causing when artillery rounds start coming in ? A Lot more than 20k dollars. The orlan drones are also a lot more than 20k. Closer to 80-120k. A ka52 is a very expensive asset. So is a ka50 and mi24/35 Also noted you didn’t mention those. Why ? |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 7:47:48 AM EDT
[#23]
Russia v NATO.
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Posted: 6/10/2023 7:49:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They didn't. It was fucking dumb. Bunched up on the only un-mined path through an open field and a rus drone called in arty fire. It's the same shit that let the ukes toast up tons of russian tanks. You would think they would have learned something. Maybe cheaper disposable/attritable tanks are the way to go? |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 7:54:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia v NATO. This is Russia vs Ukraine. Nato has not entered the war |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 8:07:50 AM EDT
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So far Russia has recovered the Reaper Drone that was shot down over the sea, now has Bradley's and Leopards, and soon will get Abrams. They have all the small arms US weapons systems by now too. All gets funneled to China. Hope it was worth it to Biden for instigating this war.
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Posted: 6/10/2023 8:12:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So far Russia has recovered the Reaper Drone that was shot down over the sea, now has Bradley's and Leopards, and soon will get Abrams. They have all the small arms US weapons systems by now too. All gets funneled to China. Hope it was worth it to Biden for instigating this war. Repeating a lie doesn’t make it true. How did Biden “instigate” war? @4thbreak |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 8:16:28 AM EDT
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They forgot to watch the training video.
 hahaha T 72B3M go brum brum |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 8:22:02 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Drones launch kornet ATGMs and have dual rotor blades? Sometimes cost is not the determining factor. A 20k dollar drone flying towards the White House is going to be engaged regardless based upon the amount of damage and unknown aspect to it. How much damage through intel is that capable of causing when artillery rounds start coming in ? A Lot more than 20k dollars. The orlan drones are also a lot more than 20k. Closer to 80-120k. A ka52 is a very expensive asset. So is a ka50 and mi24/35 Also noted you didn’t mention those. Why ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Drones launch kornet ATGMs and have dual rotor blades? Sometimes cost is not the determining factor. A 20k dollar drone flying towards the White House is going to be engaged regardless based upon the amount of damage and unknown aspect to it. How much damage through intel is that capable of causing when artillery rounds start coming in ? A Lot more than 20k dollars. The orlan drones are also a lot more than 20k. Closer to 80-120k. A ka52 is a very expensive asset. So is a ka50 and mi24/35 Also noted you didn’t mention those. Why ? I didn't mention them because you didn't in your response. I didn't notice you bringing up rotary aircraft, why is that? Quoted: Quoted: Company level SHORAD to deal with spotter drones and loitering UAVs need to be a thing Bingo. Avengers for everyone! When you have a very finite supply of something cost is absolutely the determining factor. Reducing your stocks is ultimately "cost", as well as the inability to replenish them. Things just don't materialize because you make idiotic statements like "avengers for everyone!" Thanks for the lesson though, ever touched a fucking Orlan? It's not a "spotter drone", it's an EW and COMINT platform. Maybe you should learn what you are talking about before you speak. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 8:37:36 AM EDT
[#30]
Impossible, russia is down to their last T55...
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Posted: 6/10/2023 8:44:57 AM EDT
[#31]
The video of the artillery killing them isn’t accurate.
Those Bradley’s ran over tank mines. The leopard also ran over a mine was a mobility kill and is already retracked and FMC. Only 1 of the Bradley’s was a cat kill. Russians killed their mine plow tank. Bradley’s crews Killed 2 T72 with tows and engaged a 3rd with AP 25mm (M791 tungsten). It set off their reactive armor but they couldn’t get a BDA on if it was a kill or not.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 8:49:12 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. How did Biden "instigate" war? @4thbreak |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 9:05:19 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its going to happen. Now whether they were death by turret pop or just disabled mechanically and abandoned are 2 different things. I wouldnt mind seeing what a platoon of current US spec M1A2s would do against Soviet armor. They won't be operated by trained American crews to see the full effect. Look at the tactics displayed here getting their brads killed, why are their vehicles stacked on top of each other? I was never mechanized so correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like a tactically inferior position. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 9:07:20 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is that Ukraine has been using remote controlled vehicles for probing attacks of the frontline, so there are no troops inside and that's why they seem abandoned. The counteroffensive hasn't started officially yet Oh, the "word" is huh 
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Posted: 6/10/2023 9:08:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When is this going to end?? When the Ukrainians run out of men or NATO gets directly involved. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 9:10:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They won't be operated by trained American crews to see the full effect. Look at the tactics displayed here getting their brads killed, why are their vehicles stacked on top of each other? was never mechanized so correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like a tactically inferior position. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Its going to happen. Now whether they were death by turret pop or just disabled mechanically and abandoned are 2 different things. I wouldnt mind seeing what a platoon of current US spec M1A2s would do against Soviet armor. They won't be operated by trained American crews to see the full effect. Look at the tactics displayed here getting their brads killed, why are their vehicles stacked on top of each other? was never mechanized so correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like a tactically inferior position. That unit was trained how to fight like a western force. They wanted to continue to use Soviet tactics because their commanders were raised on them. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 9:11:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That unit was trained how to fight like a western force. They wanted to continue to use Soviet tactics because their commanders were raised on them. Operational training doesn't nullify institutional training. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 9:16:32 AM EDT
[#38]
Those poor Bradillacs.
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Posted: 6/10/2023 9:38:13 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm all good with knowing tanks, IFVs are going to be destroyed. But at least do so using proper doctrine. Rolling down the road, in broad daylight, closely packed together is not going to cut it.  Yeeeaahh… 15 years ago you’d see kids playing Battlefield: Bad Company spacing their armor far more intelligently than that. Literally, they’d space them so that a JDAM couldn’t take out more than one, use smokescreens, advance using proper overwatch, keep distance from suspected AT infantry positions, etc. If your armor doctrine is inferior to 18 year-olds on their PlayStations you’re just plain fucking up. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 9:40:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeeeaahh 15 years ago you'd see kids playing Battlefield: Bad Company spacing their armor far more intelligently than that. Literally, they'd space them so that a JDAM couldn't take out more than one, use smokescreens, advance using proper overwatch, keep distance from suspected AT infantry positions, etc. If your armor doctrine is inferior to 18 year-olds on their PlayStations you're just plain fucking up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm all good with knowing tanks, IFVs are going to be destroyed. But at least do so using proper doctrine. Rolling down the road, in broad daylight, closely packed together is not going to cut it. Yeeeaahh 15 years ago you'd see kids playing Battlefield: Bad Company spacing their armor far more intelligently than that. Literally, they'd space them so that a JDAM couldn't take out more than one, use smokescreens, advance using proper overwatch, keep distance from suspected AT infantry positions, etc. If your armor doctrine is inferior to 18 year-olds on their PlayStations you're just plain fucking up.  . I'd hang back and just walk fire with the advances and light up building's and areas. It was fun.
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