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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:12:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:12:15 PM EDT
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That first step is the one I'm specifically asking about. You obviously can't go around just soliciting "Hey, I'm building an army to resist federal overreach!" - I mean, you could, but it would turn into 8 undercover FBI agents investigating 4 undercover ATF agents, some guy from Stormfront, and that guy who sleeps under the overpass and mumbles about being a sovereign citizen. Not to mention - people have lives. People have families. They will wait for someone else to resist in the process, and then bitch when they lose. You're not suddenly going to have a 50,000 man march to DC to "take back the White House". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOCK AND LOAD...  I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. Congrats! You have the first step to your blueprint.  That first step is the one I'm specifically asking about. You obviously can't go around just soliciting "Hey, I'm building an army to resist federal overreach!" - I mean, you could, but it would turn into 8 undercover FBI agents investigating 4 undercover ATF agents, some guy from Stormfront, and that guy who sleeps under the overpass and mumbles about being a sovereign citizen. Not to mention - people have lives. People have families. They will wait for someone else to resist in the process, and then bitch when they lose. You're not suddenly going to have a 50,000 man march to DC to "take back the White House". Didn't undercover agents of the FBI, ATF and DEA comprise around 50% of the leadership and underlings of a certain motorcycle gang in the 80's and they didn't even know each agency had undercover agents within the gang? When I picture something like that going down, I picture a group of 50 militia in their meeting house, all of a sudden an undercover agent jumps up, screams freeze you're all under arrest! I imagine 25 under cover FBI agents flashing their badges, 15 undercover ATF agents flashing their badges, 5 undercover DEA Agents flashing badges and 5 very confused looking rednecks with IQ's hovering around 60 scratching their heads wondering what the fuck just happened. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:12:23 PM EDT
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Tree of Liberty must be refreshed...
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:12:56 PM EDT
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If the 2A were removed, then both Democrats and Republicans wouldn't have a "donation tree" to shake every election cycle.
In other words, democrats get donations from the anti gun groups and republicans from the pro gun groups. If the issue of gun rights is "solved" then all those donations from all those groups would dry up. An example would be the gay rights groups, they've won the war, now they are useless for those that seek political gain. There's a lot of money in the pro/anti gun business, think about it with the war on drugs mindset. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:13:19 PM EDT
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Romney in a landslide!
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:14:06 PM EDT
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I guess you'd petition your state government to refuse to cooperate and to hinder federal action by every peaceful means available. Many states have codified the Second Amendment at the state constitution level including NH. It would be interesting to see how state and local LEO would approach this. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:17:07 PM EDT
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Study the history of the Contras. and the tactics of the American Revolution
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:18:31 PM EDT
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Being the biased mod selectively allows both veiled and direct anti-Trump threads to roll outside his "rules". I say we start turning every one of these into pro-Trump threads.
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:19:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many states have codified the Second Amendment at the state constitution level including NH. It would be interesting to see how state and local LEO would approach this. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess you'd petition your state government to refuse to cooperate and to hinder federal action by every peaceful means available. Many states have codified the Second Amendment at the state constitution level including NH. It would be interesting to see how state and local LEO would approach this. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile For example, in PA the language includes, as cited Article I, section 21 of the Pennsylvania State Constitution states: "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.” Like, it really doesn't get more clearcut than that -but if the .fed swoops in, as I'm sure they will, that language will mean nothing. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:19:16 PM EDT
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LOCK AND LOAD... |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:20:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:20:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a retard and think the whole world revolves around Trump and his ego, and have to perpetually come into other threads and shit on them to show how tough Trump supporters are. I'm glad we agree!  |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:21:09 PM EDT
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take heart. i believe your first premise is wrong.
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:21:15 PM EDT
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I edited that post to reflect the idea. Civil war would almost certainly have to ensue. I'm not about killing Americans on American soil - and the thought actually makes me feel a little sick. In short - we would have to become what we despise to win. Is that the way you want to win? Selling yourself out like that? Do we want to be the "American Al-Queda"? Would/Should we doom the country for an idea? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Collaboration, organizing, planning, and execution must be a very insular process to succeed. Even then, I don't know that you would. And to what end? Revolution involves killing people. if you're talking about eliminating federal judges and politicians, well, good luck. Anything else just involves burying your guns and hoping maybe your grandkids will be able to use them again someday. I think that's fundamentally the problem. Okay, you manage to bump off a couple of anti-gun politicians/judges. The parties responsible are labeled as terrorists. More laws are passed for "the safety of the children". Politicians pass laws to protect themselves. Their now (renewed and substantially increased) voting block hold an emergency election for the most anti-liberty candidate ever. ----- I think the point I'm trying to drive home here is - short of succession, there isn't a winning scenario where you don't have to start killing the population too. The people in charge got to where they are because of who voted for them. I think you should ask to have this thread locked and nuked. I edited that post to reflect the idea. Civil war would almost certainly have to ensue. I'm not about killing Americans on American soil - and the thought actually makes me feel a little sick. In short - we would have to become what we despise to win. Is that the way you want to win? Selling yourself out like that? Do we want to be the "American Al-Queda"? Would/Should we doom the country for an idea? I don't think that the citizenry at large would be targets of people moved to violence by assaults on the 2dAm. I think that the targets would be limited to those seeking to enforce legislation contrary to the RKBA. Think "Oh, how we burned later in the camps . . . ." |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:21:34 PM EDT
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It was late afternoon when he finally heard them coming to kill him. The wind was blowing gently towards him, and it carried the sound well. Two choppers, he judged from the pitch of the engines, possibly three. Henry realized that his first emotion upon hearing the sound of rotor blades approaching was an overwhelming sense of relief. The waiting was over. His next thought concerned the relatives of the men that were about to die. The widows will never understand that their husbands died because the government got a little too heavy-handed after June of 1968. He scanned the sky until he spotted the aircraft approaching from the north. That isn 't quite right. The Kennedy and King killings weren 't the first links in the chain that dragged us here. No, the death sentence was handed down before World War II. Henry settled in behind the big Solothurn and checked his field of view through the weapon's optical sight. The gleaming example of Swiss craftsmanship had been manufactured in 1939. The irony was not lost on Henry Bowman. In March of that year, the U.S. Supreme Court had heard a case involving a moonshiner who had been arrested in 1938. A Federal District Court had thrown out the charges as being unconstitutional, and the government had appealed. At the hearing, something very unusual had happened. Neither the moonshiner nor his lawyer had seen fit to appear before the Court to argue the case. They didn't even bother to file a brief on the moonshiner's behalf. The Court ruled for the government, judicial precedent was set, and the issue was never again heard by the Supreme Court. The 1939 ruling became the foundation on which many additional laws were constructed. Supreme Court's been ducking that issue ever since Henry thought as he strained to hear a change in the approaching noise. Well, guys, the tide has turned. It's time you thugs had a little history lesson. I don't suppose you're familiar with what happened in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943. A small smile appeared on his lips, as Henry remembered something. It's just like the story Uncle Max told me when I was a kid. About Billy Dell, pulling a Paul Bunyan. Henry Bowman's right hand tightened around the walnut grip of the Solothurn S18-1000. The weapon had been a present from his father, given to him on his fourteenth birthday in 1967. Cost $189.50 back in the sixties Henry thought irrelevantly. / thought that was a steal. Dad's friends thought it was astronomical. Wonder what they'd think now. As he followed the progress of the helicopters through the binoculars, Henry Bowman reflected that the 1930's era weapon would now likely cost over ten thousand current dollars to manufacture. It had been made in a time when production methods and philosophies were much different. Fewer than 500 of the obsolete Swiss guns had been imported over a ten- year period in the '50s and '60s, before the law change. Pay attention here, guy Henry chided himself as he focused on the problem at hand. You don 't get any practice runs with this one. Henry twisted his head methodically and arched his back as he lay there on his stomach, working the stiffness from his body. He had lain prone for over an hour with his face pressed against a pair of binoculars, and he needed to be loose for what he was going to have to do. The helicopters appeared over a ridge that Bowman had previously determined was a little more than two miles distant. They were following a heading that would take them to the spot that he had selected, next to the water- filled quarry pit. He steadied the binoculars by resting his right wrist on the top of the Solothurn's receiver and cranked the zoom control from ten power all the way up to twenty. The binoculars amplified the heat waves in the air that are invisible to the naked eye, and called 'mirage' by competition shooters who use high magnification optical sights. The boiling, shimmering image in the glasses gave a surrealistic appearance to the approaching choppers, but Henry could make them out well enough. Three of them. Bell turbine model, Jet Ranger or its descendant. A door gunner with a belt-fed mach ine gun poking out of the right side of each one. Possibly the Belgian MAG-58, but more likely M60s, he thought with derision. They should have brought armored Apaches carrying napalm, he thought. Or nukes. A grin split his face. Oh, those poor bastards. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:21:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:22:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:22:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, because there's no way that a lone gunman wouldn't suddenly be found to have been a racist with terabytes of kiddie porn who beat women and probably offended a couple of homosexuals daily. I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOCK AND LOAD... I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. All laptops of anything they could plant evidence on would be gone/cached in a place they will never find. Then you have your deadman video that gets blasted out on the internet explaining your cause and any BS the gov suddenly finds, is just that BS. I you going out in a blaze, hopefully its a coordinated thing so you won't be the crazed lone gunman. Not that the 2nd Amendment being revoked will change anything, laws will be ignored by most like always and public outcry, attacks will depend on the extent local LE enforces the new laws. Unregistered Machine Guns have been banned for a while but they are plenty still around, I feel any new gun laws will be as effective as the war on drugs. Best thing is if the outlawed all gun you might as well make all your guns full auto as your still going to jail if your caught. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:23:01 PM EDT
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Read the Enemies (foreign and domestic) trilogy.
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:26:07 PM EDT
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Read the Enemies (foreign and domestic) trilogy. Did that a couple of years ago ... scary book. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:28:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't undercover agents of the FBI, ATF and DEA comprise around 50% of the leadership and underlings of a certain motorcycle gang in the 80's and they didn't even know each agency had undercover agents within the gang? When I picture something like that going down, I picture a group of 50 militia in their meeting house, all of a sudden an undercover agent jumps up, screams freeze you're all under arrest! I imagine 25 under cover FBI agents flashing their badges, 15 undercover ATF agents flashing their badges, 5 undercover DEA Agents flashing badges and 5 very confused looking rednecks with IQ's hovering around 60 scratching their heads wondering what the fuck just happened. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOCK AND LOAD... I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. Congrats! You have the first step to your blueprint. That first step is the one I'm specifically asking about. You obviously can't go around just soliciting "Hey, I'm building an army to resist federal overreach!" - I mean, you could, but it would turn into 8 undercover FBI agents investigating 4 undercover ATF agents, some guy from Stormfront, and that guy who sleeps under the overpass and mumbles about being a sovereign citizen. Not to mention - people have lives. People have families. They will wait for someone else to resist in the process, and then bitch when they lose. You're not suddenly going to have a 50,000 man march to DC to "take back the White House". Didn't undercover agents of the FBI, ATF and DEA comprise around 50% of the leadership and underlings of a certain motorcycle gang in the 80's and they didn't even know each agency had undercover agents within the gang? When I picture something like that going down, I picture a group of 50 militia in their meeting house, all of a sudden an undercover agent jumps up, screams freeze you're all under arrest! I imagine 25 under cover FBI agents flashing their badges, 15 undercover ATF agents flashing their badges, 5 undercover DEA Agents flashing badges and 5 very confused looking rednecks with IQ's hovering around 60 scratching their heads wondering what the fuck just happened. The joke.
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:28:25 PM EDT
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There's never going to be a mass confiscation.
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:31:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's never going to be a mass confiscation. Really? Huh, Bernie Sanders seems to think otherwise. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:32:36 PM EDT
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There's never going to be a mass confiscation. They don't have to. Make the manufacture, transport, and transfer of arms illegal. That'd be enough to completely demolish the bulwark of the second amendment. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:32:55 PM EDT
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civil war
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:33:26 PM EDT
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Right, because there's no way that a lone gunman wouldn't suddenly be found to have been a racist with terabytes of kiddie porn who beat women and probably offended a couple of homosexuals daily. I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOCK AND LOAD... I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. I often wonder how such a thing would be organized honestly. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:34:24 PM EDT
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I often wonder how such a thing would be organized honestly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOCK AND LOAD... I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. I often wonder how such a thing would be organized honestly. I suppose a good example to study would be the Bundy protests. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:36:20 PM EDT
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I often wonder how such a thing would be organized honestly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOCK AND LOAD... I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. I often wonder how such a thing would be organized honestly. It wouldn't be. Google "leaderless resistance". |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:36:58 PM EDT
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They don't have to. Make the manufacture, transport, and transfer of arms illegal. That'd be enough to completely demolish the bulwark of the second amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's never going to be a mass confiscation. They don't have to. Make the manufacture, transport, and transfer of arms illegal. That'd be enough to completely demolish the bulwark of the second amendment. What you posted would literally demolish 2A. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:37:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Place holder for some math...... Ok, ready?........ First, a little anecdotal experience and stories. In Iraq, my battalion was attached to a Combat brigade with armor and artillery assests. For an entire month our forces were kept at bay and seriously influenced our patrols and missions because of one gunman. A half assed trained "sniper". One man Vs the greates military on earth. A couple years ago over 6,000 law enforcement officers and military descended onto the Boston area and were "kept on their toes/kept at bay" because of two twats with a "crock pot" and a pistol. Two turds vs over 6,000 seasoned LEOs and military with gear far beyond your average cargo pockets. Ok, ready?..... There are over 85,000,000 gun owners. If tomorrow FBHO signed an executive order ordering confiscation or if Congress somehow acted to pass a law granting the power of confiscation to the federal government heres what would happen: 90% would turn them in immediately. No questions asked. So now there's only 8,500,000 million gun owners. Wow, that is an epic shit ton. But don't worry. The FBI and ATF will conduct a joint raid with local LEOs on an area in some conservative state with a vocal activist. There will be a shoot out. Protester will die as well as a LEO or two. That won't bode well as support will dwindle. Wives and families of the "holdouts" will give you ultimatums and put additional pressure on them to turn in their guns. Of those holdouts, 90% will turn them in after seeing the bloody carnage on CNN and MSM and not want to put their family in jeopardy...or risk 30 years in a FPMITAP So now there's only 850,000 gun owners left. Wow, that is still a shit ton. And most likely the ones who own more than one gun. And probably have few extra mags on hand. Guess what? Of those left, 99% of them are either in piss poor shape to fight from old age or injury or just too damn stupid to hide them effectively (probably ran there mouth to friends/family or on social media. Slowly me the raids will filter them and their weapons out. The stories that surface will help to soften the will to fight for many. So now what? What are we left with? 1% of 10% of 10% of the orginal. That's........8,500. 8,500 men...and don't kid yourself, there's at best a few females in that number....men who are squared jawed, steely eyed killers. Men who not just own guns, but NVGs, gear, food, and are smart enough to not have it around. Men smart enough to blend. Men smart enough to know how to hit and run. Men who are not living in basements and typing away about masturbatory revolution fantasies on the Internet. Harsh measures will be taken against these men....so harsh that the tide of public opinion sways. You see, to get to these men you'll have to drone strike an entire neighborhood or be willing to use force so excessive that there is no way you can keep the ignorant public on your side. Tyranny can never succeed if you take the power from the people overnight. Which is why, instead of a gun ban....they will whittle away at gun ownership through regulation until the number of gun owners is so low that banning them overnight won't be more than taking them away from a few thousand people. We're several years from that. Starvation is more effective than gun confiscation in the short term.  Starvation is a great motivator, especially in cities were many are 5-6 meals away from starving. We all talk about guns and ammo, but the thing that i have started preparing for is food and water, and ways of replacing it if all stores closed tommorow. This is what I am working on and I have 4 ponds, fish and several acres of corn. We are gonna make a huge garden next year, because if the SHTF we would be sucking in 3-4 months unless we like corn and fish  |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:38:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I often wonder how such a thing would be organized honestly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOCK AND LOAD... I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. I often wonder how such a thing would be organized honestly. That's exactly what I wonder about. Look, you wanna shoot a match, I can shoot a match. You wanna start your own little farm and have peaceful protest, I can run a farm, I can run equipment. I can milk cows. You wanna write your state legislature and petition them to disobey the Federal Government? I've got a pen. I've got paper. You wanna find and organize 50,000 people who can't agree on ANYTHING - that I can't help you with |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:38:25 PM EDT
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they bring in UN troops from countries that hate Americans The U.N. troops would be so busy raping black kids they'd forget to confiscate guns. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:40:03 PM EDT
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Great post
Starvation is a great motivator, especially in cities were many are 5-6 meals away from starving. We all talk about guns and ammo, but the thing that i have started preparing for is food and water, and ways of replacing it if all stores closed tommorow. This is what I am working on and I have 4 ponds, fish and several acres of corn. We are gonna make a huge garden next year, because if the SHTF we would be sucking in 3-4 months unless we like corn and fish
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Place holder for some math...... Ok, ready?........ First, a little anecdotal experience and stories. In Iraq, my battalion was attached to a Combat brigade with armor and artillery assests. For an entire month our forces were kept at bay and seriously influenced our patrols and missions because of one gunman. A half assed trained "sniper". One man Vs the greates military on earth. A couple years ago over 6,000 law enforcement officers and military descended onto the Boston area and were "kept on their toes/kept at bay" because of two twats with a "crock pot" and a pistol. Two turds vs over 6,000 seasoned LEOs and military with gear far beyond your average cargo pockets. Ok, ready?..... There are over 85,000,000 gun owners. If tomorrow FBHO signed an executive order ordering confiscation or if Congress somehow acted to pass a law granting the power of confiscation to the federal government heres what would happen: 90% would turn them in immediately. No questions asked. So now there's only 8,500,000 million gun owners. Wow, that is an epic shit ton. But don't worry. The FBI and ATF will conduct a joint raid with local LEOs on an area in some conservative state with a vocal activist. There will be a shoot out. Protester will die as well as a LEO or two. That won't bode well as support will dwindle. Wives and families of the "holdouts" will give you ultimatums and put additional pressure on them to turn in their guns. Of those holdouts, 90% will turn them in after seeing the bloody carnage on CNN and MSM and not want to put their family in jeopardy...or risk 30 years in a FPMITAP So now there's only 850,000 gun owners left. Wow, that is still a shit ton. And most likely the ones who own more than one gun. And probably have few extra mags on hand. Guess what? Of those left, 99% of them are either in piss poor shape to fight from old age or injury or just too damn stupid to hide them effectively (probably ran there mouth to friends/family or on social media. Slowly me the raids will filter them and their weapons out. The stories that surface will help to soften the will to fight for many. So now what? What are we left with? 1% of 10% of 10% of the orginal. That's........8,500. 8,500 men...and don't kid yourself, there's at best a few females in that number....men who are squared jawed, steely eyed killers. Men who not just own guns, but NVGs, gear, food, and are smart enough to not have it around. Men smart enough to blend. Men smart enough to know how to hit and run. Men who are not living in basements and typing away about masturbatory revolution fantasies on the Internet. Harsh measures will be taken against these men....so harsh that the tide of public opinion sways. You see, to get to these men you'll have to drone strike an entire neighborhood or be willing to use force so excessive that there is no way you can keep the ignorant public on your side. Tyranny can never succeed if you take the power from the people overnight. Which is why, instead of a gun ban....they will whittle away at gun ownership through regulation until the number of gun owners is so low that banning them overnight won't be more than taking them away from a few thousand people. We're several years from that. Starvation is more effective than gun confiscation in the short term.
Starvation is a great motivator, especially in cities were many are 5-6 meals away from starving. We all talk about guns and ammo, but the thing that i have started preparing for is food and water, and ways of replacing it if all stores closed tommorow. This is what I am working on and I have 4 ponds, fish and several acres of corn. We are gonna make a huge garden next year, because if the SHTF we would be sucking in 3-4 months unless we like corn and fish
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:40:43 PM EDT
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Lo, there do I see my father
Lo, there do I see my mother and my sisters and my brothers Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning Lo, they do call to me They bid me take my place among them in the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:41:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suppose a good example to study would be the Bundy protests. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOCK AND LOAD... I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. I often wonder how such a thing would be organized honestly. I suppose a good example to study would be the Bundy protests. If you're in it to lose, then yes. I would try my hardest to make sure we don't end up like those guys. They lost that little war. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:41:42 PM EDT
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Read the Enemies (foreign and domestic) trilogy. Came to post this |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:43:36 PM EDT
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ITT: It was late afternoon when he finally heard them coming to kill him. The wind was blowing gently towards him, and it carried the sound well. Two choppers, he judged from the pitch of the engines, possibly three. Henry realized that his first emotion upon hearing the sound of rotor blades approaching was an overwhelming sense of relief. The waiting was over. His next thought concerned the relatives of the men that were about to die. The widows will never understand that their husbands died because the government got a little too heavy-handed after June of 1968. He scanned the sky until he spotted the aircraft approaching from the north. That isn 't quite right. The Kennedy and King killings weren 't the first links in the chain that dragged us here. No, the death sentence was handed down before World War II. Henry settled in behind the big Solothurn and checked his field of view through the weapon's optical sight. The gleaming example of Swiss craftsmanship had been manufactured in 1939. The irony was not lost on Henry Bowman. In March of that year, the U.S. Supreme Court had heard a case involving a moonshiner who had been arrested in 1938. A Federal District Court had thrown out the charges as being unconstitutional, and the government had appealed. At the hearing, something very unusual had happened. Neither the moonshiner nor his lawyer had seen fit to appear before the Court to argue the case. They didn't even bother to file a brief on the moonshiner's behalf. The Court ruled for the government, judicial precedent was set, and the issue was never again heard by the Supreme Court. The 1939 ruling became the foundation on which many additional laws were constructed. Supreme Court's been ducking that issue ever since Henry thought as he strained to hear a change in the approaching noise. Well, guys, the tide has turned. It's time you thugs had a little history lesson. I don't suppose you're familiar with what happened in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943. A small smile appeared on his lips, as Henry remembered something. It's just like the story Uncle Max told me when I was a kid. About Billy Dell, pulling a Paul Bunyan. Henry Bowman's right hand tightened around the walnut grip of the Solothurn S18-1000. The weapon had been a present from his father, given to him on his fourteenth birthday in 1967. Cost $189.50 back in the sixties Henry thought irrelevantly. / thought that was a steal. Dad's friends thought it was astronomical. Wonder what they'd think now. As he followed the progress of the helicopters through the binoculars, Henry Bowman reflected that the 1930's era weapon would now likely cost over ten thousand current dollars to manufacture. It had been made in a time when production methods and philosophies were much different. Fewer than 500 of the obsolete Swiss guns had been imported over a ten- year period in the '50s and '60s, before the law change. Pay attention here, guy Henry chided himself as he focused on the problem at hand. You don 't get any practice runs with this one. Henry twisted his head methodically and arched his back as he lay there on his stomach, working the stiffness from his body. He had lain prone for over an hour with his face pressed against a pair of binoculars, and he needed to be loose for what he was going to have to do. The helicopters appeared over a ridge that Bowman had previously determined was a little more than two miles distant. They were following a heading that would take them to the spot that he had selected, next to the water- filled quarry pit. He steadied the binoculars by resting his right wrist on the top of the Solothurn's receiver and cranked the zoom control from ten power all the way up to twenty. The binoculars amplified the heat waves in the air that are invisible to the naked eye, and called 'mirage' by competition shooters who use high magnification optical sights. The boiling, shimmering image in the glasses gave a surrealistic appearance to the approaching choppers, but Henry could make them out well enough. Three of them. Bell turbine model, Jet Ranger or its descendant. A door gunner with a belt-fed mach ine gun poking out of the right side of each one. Possibly the Belgian MAG-58, but more likely M60s, he thought with derision. They should have brought armored Apaches carrying napalm, he thought. Or nukes. A grin split his face. Oh, those poor bastards. Another good book |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:43:42 PM EDT
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What you posted would literally demolish 2A. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's never going to be a mass confiscation. They don't have to. Make the manufacture, transport, and transfer of arms illegal. That'd be enough to completely demolish the bulwark of the second amendment. What you posted would literally demolish 2A. Exactly. And armed resistance would never materialize even though the population is still armed. There would still be something left to lose, and technically the second amendment would still be in effect. You've still got your guns after all. Just can't do anything with them except look at them. Most gun owners would grumble, but would choose to swallow it rather than risk their lives and the lives of their family by trying to fight back. Easier to justify one's cowardice if they haven't actually tried to physically take them from you. Basically this is what they did in Canada with the "prohibted class" of firearms, which can be arbitrarily expanded without any act of parliament. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:45:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:48:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou popped a pmag by yourself. Enjoy being massively outnumbered and in a firefight where your wife and kids are in the middle of it. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:49:29 PM EDT
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Revolution does not necessarily involve killing people; it just usually does. Gandhi managed to take advantage of the British hesitance to use force against a passive opponent, and it's possible that the same cultural dynamic could work in the US. Not holding my breath, but it's worth a try. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Collaboration, organizing, planning, and execution must be a very insular process to succeed. Even then, I don't know that you would. And to what end? Revolution involves killing people. if you're talking about eliminating federal judges and politicians, well, good luck. Anything else just involves burying your guns and hoping maybe your grandkids will be able to use them again someday. I think that's fundamentally the problem. Okay, you manage to bump off a couple of anti-gun politicians/judges. The parties responsible are labeled as terrorists. More laws are passed for "the safety of the children". Politicians pass laws to protect themselves. Their now (renewed and substantially increased) voting block hold an emergency election for the most anti-liberty candidate ever. ----- I think the point I'm trying to drive home here is - short of succession, there isn't a winning scenario where you don't have to start killing the population too. The people in charge got to where they are because of who voted for them. Revolution does not necessarily involve killing people; it just usually does. Gandhi managed to take advantage of the British hesitance to use force against a passive opponent, and it's possible that the same cultural dynamic could work in the US. Not holding my breath, but it's worth a try. Not just Gandhi: 
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:50:29 PM EDT
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Right, because there's no way that a lone gunman wouldn't suddenly be found to have been a racist with terabytes of kiddie porn who beat women and probably offended a couple of homosexuals daily. I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOCK AND LOAD... I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. And anyone supporting that person would be banned on this site. "Posting comments or links in support of illegal activities including, but not limited to, threats against the life of any person, doing harm to a state or federal official, or advocating the overthrow of the government." |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:50:46 PM EDT
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I think that's fundamentally the problem. Okay, you manage to bump off a couple of anti-gun politicians/judges. The parties responsible are labeled as terrorists. More laws are passed for "the safety of the children". Politicians pass laws to protect themselves. Their now (renewed and substantially increased) voting block hold an emergency election for the most anti-liberty candidate ever. ----- I think the point I'm trying to drive home here is - short of succession, there isn't a winning scenario where you don't have to start killing the population too. The people in charge got to where they are because of who voted for them. EDIT: I.e. what would make us different than the federal government killing Americans on American soil? That's the problem. I don't want a civil war. EDIT2: what a shitty way to waste post 2000. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Collaboration, organizing, planning, and execution must be a very insular process to succeed. Even then, I don't know that you would. And to what end? Revolution involves killing people. if you're talking about eliminating federal judges and politicians, well, good luck. Anything else just involves burying your guns and hoping maybe your grandkids will be able to use them again someday. I think that's fundamentally the problem. Okay, you manage to bump off a couple of anti-gun politicians/judges. The parties responsible are labeled as terrorists. More laws are passed for "the safety of the children". Politicians pass laws to protect themselves. Their now (renewed and substantially increased) voting block hold an emergency election for the most anti-liberty candidate ever. ----- I think the point I'm trying to drive home here is - short of succession, there isn't a winning scenario where you don't have to start killing the population too. The people in charge got to where they are because of who voted for them. EDIT: I.e. what would make us different than the federal government killing Americans on American soil? That's the problem. I don't want a civil war. EDIT2: what a shitty way to waste post 2000. You guys are all thinking 1960s methods. Why does the population vote for gun grabbers? Because they're brainwashed and don't know any better. So you gotta fight in the media field. Internet makes it easier than ever. Google my nickname. Yeah, I'm a "Putin's troll", it's been discussed to death by some Sen. McCarthy wannabees around here, but that's not the point. The point is, it's not hard to get your voice heard. I have a few million views between various websites&reposts, and all I do is translations in my spare time and collaboration with some other regular joes, plus a few political activists. And that's talking about the failure of US foreign policy in Ukraine, which most people don't know or care about - getting people thinking and talking about gun rights is much easier. If you care about your rights, work to preserve them. What else have you got to do in the evening, watch Big Bang Theory reruns? |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:52:08 PM EDT
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I don't think there'd be as much compliance as they think. Of course the law itself would render outlawed weapons by and large useless. Couldn't get caught, that's when enforcement comes in. Couldn't shoot much, someone might hear or see you. Couldn't use it in self defense,you'd be in worse trouble than the perp. Couldn't show them to friends, don't know who you can trust. Sure as hell couldn't post about them here anymore. Just squirrel them away someplace is about all.
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:53:24 PM EDT
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JellyBelly starts acting like his moonshiner ancestors and gets into the gun running business
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:54:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, because there's no way that a lone gunman wouldn't suddenly be found to have been a racist with terabytes of kiddie porn who beat women and probably offended a couple of homosexuals daily. I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOCK AND LOAD... I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:57:14 PM EDT
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It wouldn't effect me.
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:59:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And anyone supporting that person would be banned on this site. "Posting comments or links in support of illegal activities including, but not limited to, threats against the life of any person, doing harm to a state or federal official, or advocating the overthrow of the government." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOCK AND LOAD... I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone. And anyone supporting that person would be banned on this site. "Posting comments or links in support of illegal activities including, but not limited to, threats against the life of any person, doing harm to a state or federal official, or advocating the overthrow of the government." Supposing somebody from CT decided to FO when they came to confiscate I don't think anyone here would support that person anyway I can see the responses now. "LOL, FSA didn't register, ZFG" "Look at this tard, good shoot. Gives us legal owners a bad name" "Pff, I'm from CT and I just switched to airsoft. Should have shot his dog too" "POS deserved it" "He should have just buried them in the back yard. Good shoot" |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 9:00:04 PM EDT
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I don't have any guns.
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Posted: 2/28/2016 9:02:49 PM EDT
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Great post
Starvation is a great motivator, especially in cities were many are 5-6 meals away from starving. We all talk about guns and ammo, but the thing that i have started preparing for is food and water, and ways of replacing it if all stores closed tommorow. This is what I am working on and I have 4 ponds, fish and several acres of corn. We are gonna make a huge garden next year, because if the SHTF we would be sucking in 3-4 months unless we like corn and fish
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Place holder for some math...... Ok, ready?..... We're several years from that. Starvation is more effective than gun confiscation in the short term.
Starvation is a great motivator, especially in cities were many are 5-6 meals away from starving. We all talk about guns and ammo, but the thing that i have started preparing for is food and water, and ways of replacing it if all stores closed tommorow. This is what I am working on and I have 4 ponds, fish and several acres of corn. We are gonna make a huge garden next year, because if the SHTF we would be sucking in 3-4 months unless we like corn and fish
Few of us have ever come close to starvation and know how "crazy" it can make us. Good for you for planning on taking care of your family long term |
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