[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SCOTUS upholds the ATF’s rule regulating “ghost guns” under the Gun Control Act (Page 2 of 6)
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Quoted: Nope. When I loaded the page your first post ONLY had the first tweet and nothing else. The few replies beneath it did not have the opinion. So I hit the reply button and while reading the first tweet went and got the link to the opinion, pasted it in and hit reply. Quoted: Quoted: try again, I had the PDF before I edited it with the follow-up tweets. Nope. When I loaded the page your first post ONLY had the first tweet and nothing else. The few replies beneath it did not have the opinion. So I hit the reply button and while reading the first tweet went and got the link to the opinion, pasted it in and hit reply. 
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Quoted: is it just kits with ALL parts included that can be regulated or does it include ALL kits such as 80% aluminum AR receivers that require milling and additional components? No answer on that, just that some kits will be outside the GCA. We have to be intellectually honest here thou, selling it with every part needed was probably a bad idea. Same goes for how easy it was to do a poly 80, should have made it harder some how to try to fly under the radar. Or just say screw it, make millions until your shut down. |
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Yup... Sad but totally saw this one coming. Next up, 3D printer registration and serializing barrels |
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Quoted: Imagine thinking this had anything to do with Trump. Quoted: Quoted: Imagine thinking Trump was on your side, the guy who can not legally pass a NICS background check. Imagine thinking this had anything to do with Trump. Funny how when Trump appoints so-called pro-gun judges, Trumpers scream how this was only possible because of Trump/Trump gets all the credit. But when so-called pro-2A Trump-appointed judges rule against the 2A, Trumpers say that Trump had nothing to do with it… |
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Quoted: No answer on that, just that some kits will be outside the GCA. We have to be intellectually honest here thou, selling it with every part needed was probably a bad idea. Same goes for how easy it was to do a poly 80, should have made it harder some how to try to fly under the radar. Or just say screw it, make millions until your shut down. Quoted: Quoted: is it just kits with ALL parts included that can be regulated or does it include ALL kits such as 80% aluminum AR receivers that require milling and additional components? No answer on that, just that some kits will be outside the GCA. We have to be intellectually honest here thou, selling it with every part needed was probably a bad idea. Same goes for how easy it was to do a poly 80, should have made it harder some how to try to fly under the radar. Or just say screw it, make millions until your shut down. The opinion also left the door open to as-applied challenges. Just said that facially, it was constitutional. So there could be kits out there that fall outside the bounds of the rule while others are subject to it. |
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This one hurts. I really expected better from Kavanaugh. If the Dems take back control of the Capital and appoint a new ATF head.... you better believe they are going to come after AR15s. The argument will be they are "readily convertible" to machine guns. Doesn't matter if you own a Lightning Link or not. Because Lightning Links exist, your AR15 has the potential to be a machinegun which now means it legally is a machine gun. Based on this opinion if you own a 3D Printer you technically already own a Glock clone, because someone with very little machining knowledge could potentially hit "start" and have the machine spit one out. PreCrime is now the policy of the USA. Attached File |
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Quoted: The opinion also left the door open to as-applied challenges. Just said that facially, it was constitutional. So there could be kits out there that fall outside the bounds of the rule while others are subject to it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: is it just kits with ALL parts included that can be regulated or does it include ALL kits such as 80% aluminum AR receivers that require milling and additional components? No answer on that, just that some kits will be outside the GCA. We have to be intellectually honest here thou, selling it with every part needed was probably a bad idea. Same goes for how easy it was to do a poly 80, should have made it harder some how to try to fly under the radar. Or just say screw it, make millions until your shut down. The opinion also left the door open to as-applied challenges. Just said that facially, it was constitutional. So there could be kits out there that fall outside the bounds of the rule while others are subject to it. Keep in mind that selling kits which “could” be considered whole guns (and who decides this, ATF again?) will be a felony if shipped over state lines. Remember, Patel stated that he feels that SCOTUS has the final word not his belief in what the Founders intended. |
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Quoted: Funny how when Trump appoints so-called pro-gun judges, Trumpers scream how this was only possible because of Trump/Trump gets all the credit. But when so-called pro-2A Trump-appointed judges rule against the 2A, Trumpers say that Trump had nothing to do with it… Do you think Trump himself walked into the Supreme Court and told them how to rule on this case? Anyone that even uses the word "Trumper" is already showing their ass, honestly. |
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Quoted: Keep in mind that selling kits which “could” be considered whole guns (and who decides this, ATF again?) will be a felony if shipped over state lines. Remember, Patel stated that he feels that SCOTUS has the final word not his belief in what the Founders intended. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: is it just kits with ALL parts included that can be regulated or does it include ALL kits such as 80% aluminum AR receivers that require milling and additional components? No answer on that, just that some kits will be outside the GCA. We have to be intellectually honest here thou, selling it with every part needed was probably a bad idea. Same goes for how easy it was to do a poly 80, should have made it harder some how to try to fly under the radar. Or just say screw it, make millions until your shut down. The opinion also left the door open to as-applied challenges. Just said that facially, it was constitutional. So there could be kits out there that fall outside the bounds of the rule while others are subject to it. Keep in mind that selling kits which “could” be considered whole guns (and who decides this, ATF again?) will be a felony if shipped over state lines. Remember, Patel stated that he feels that SCOTUS has the final word not his belief in what the Founders intended. This case hinged entirely on what Congress wanted in the GCA, not how the Founders intended the 2nd Amendment to be understood. Absolutely no part of the GCA was tested for Constitutionality in this pile of shit. |
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Quoted: Do you think Trump himself walked into the Supreme Court and told them how to rule on this case? Anyone that even uses the word "Trumper" is already showing their ass, honestly. Quoted: Quoted: Funny how when Trump appoints so-called pro-gun judges, Trumpers scream how this was only possible because of Trump/Trump gets all the credit. But when so-called pro-2A Trump-appointed judges rule against the 2A, Trumpers say that Trump had nothing to do with it… Do you think Trump himself walked into the Supreme Court and told them how to rule on this case? Anyone that even uses the word "Trumper" is already showing their ass, honestly. It (Trumper) is used to describe people who always make excuses for him and that he can do no wrong. Not someone who voted for him because he was the best pick of the two. And I give Trump credit when he does something of substance. I gave him credit the other week for moving the gun rights restoration process from ATF to the Justice Department which bypasses Schumer’s 1992 ban on processing the applications. Waiting to hear when that program is in play. |
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Abolish the NFA and the CGA. The NFA is the product of the 20th century period where fascism was popular, it's up there with prohibition only it was never repealed. The CGA is the product of the 1960's social progressivism similar to Johnson's "Great Society" and other federal overreach. |
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Quoted: Trump guys… “Only the best scotus picks.” They will save us all from the tyrannical commies! Yeah Cause a court full of ACB's wouldn't be better than a court of Kagens? Or Sotomayor's? You always think you're so edgy but that's not ever what it comes off like. |
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Quoted: This case hinged entirely on what Congress wanted in the GCA, not how the Founders intended the 2nd Amendment to be understood. Absolutely no part of the GCA was tested for Constitutionality in this pile of shit. Quoted: This case hinged entirely on what Congress wanted in the GCA, not how the Founders intended the 2nd Amendment to be understood. Absolutely no part of the GCA was tested for Constitutionality in this pile of shit. Exactly. This was not about the constitutionality of the CGA itself. From the questions asked: 1. Whether "a weapon parts kit that is designed to or may readily be completed, assembled, restored, or otherwise converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive," 27 C.F.R. 478.11, is a "firearm" regulated by the Act. 2. Whether "a partially complete, disassembled, or nonfunctional frame or receiver" that is "designed to or may readily be completed, assembled, restored, or otherwise converted to function as a frame or receiver," 27 C.F.R. 478.12(c), is a "frame or receiver" regulated by the Act. Wonder if the DoJ under Bondi could have intervened to headed off this ruling if it hadn't have been granted and argued under the Biden DoJ. (post edited/updated) |
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Quoted: ...and serializing barrels Not sure how you would do that... apart from the millions of barrels currently in circulation, you're not going to get a manufacturer to accept the liability of someone changing their barrel. Did you heat it to make it easier to stamp? Did your big hammer cause the barrel to bend? Metallurgy is a funny business... insurance is too. |
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Quoted: Yeah Cause a court full of ACB's wouldn't be better than a court of Kagens? Or Sotomayor's? You always think you're so edgy but that's not ever what it comes off like. Quoted: Quoted: Trump guys… “Only the best scotus picks.” They will save us all from the tyrannical commies! Yeah Cause a court full of ACB's wouldn't be better than a court of Kagens? Or Sotomayor's? You always think you're so edgy but that's not ever what it comes off like. “Better than” those two leftists is really low bar. They will get us at unconstitutional gun ban rulings at 100mph, while the other “conservative” judges get us there at 50 mph. Either way we get there - need judges who step on the brakes and shut the car off. |
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Quoted: No answer on that, just that some kits will be outside the GCA. We have to be intellectually honest here thou, selling it with every part needed was probably a bad idea. Same goes for how easy it was to do a poly 80, should have made it harder some how to try to fly under the radar. Or just say screw it, make millions until your shut down. Quoted: Quoted: is it just kits with ALL parts included that can be regulated or does it include ALL kits such as 80% aluminum AR receivers that require milling and additional components? No answer on that, just that some kits will be outside the GCA. We have to be intellectually honest here thou, selling it with every part needed was probably a bad idea. Same goes for how easy it was to do a poly 80, should have made it harder some how to try to fly under the radar. Or just say screw it, make millions until your shut down. The complete poly 80 kits that included everything except ammo were probably a bad idea in hindsight |
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Quoted: The majority also ruled: "Our analysis of the GCA thus does not begin to suggest that ATF possesses authority to regulate AR-15 receivers as machine guns under the NFA." Quoted: The majority also ruled: "Our analysis of the GCA thus does not begin to suggest that ATF possesses authority to regulate AR-15 receivers as machine guns under the NFA." Yep, on page 2 of the opinion they state this: The government represents that AR–15 receivers do not qualify as machinegun receivers, and this Court’s analysis of the GCA does not suggest ATF has authority to regulate them as such under the NFA. |
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Quoted: Trump guys… “Only the best scotus picks.” They will save us all from the tyrannical commies! Attached File |
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Not surprised. 5th Circuit kind of "activist court" on this, and the USSC was never going to uphold them on this one. USSC is walking an odd fine line. Of Thomas instruction to view based on 1840-whatever practices, and the rest of the court not wanting to just toss all the laws on the books just like that. And so the court is defaulting back to their usual state - of not-rock-the-boat. Maybe if Soto retires, Trump can get a Thomas level firebrand in there. The last 3 were OK, but only OK - some of the time. Shit, the one place I think Patel would be pretty useful. |
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JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s suggestion that I have mischaracterized what the Court has held, ante, at 2 (concurring opinion), demands a response. Although JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR obviously wishes that the Court had gone further, all that the Court has actually held is that the ATF rule is not facially invalid because at least some applications of the rule are consistent with the statute. And the two examples that the Court cites are (1) a kit that contains all the parts needed to make a semiautomatic pistol and that can be assembled in 21 minutes, see ante, at 8–13, and (2) a frame that can be made functional simply by clipping off two plastic tabs and drilling a few holes, ante, at 17–18, 21. The Court has not held that any other kits or presently non-functional receivers are covered. |
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Anyone who's ever made a spud gun knows that PVC pipe is readily convertable to expel a projectile using an explosive. So serial numbers for pvc pipe? Background checks at Home Depot? If I need to cut it down to fix my sink do I have to SBR it? Seems like sloppy, wide open wording from SCOTUS. |
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Quoted: Yes, good question. Do people who have built P80s need to serialize them now? Or only the people who bought them in kits that had all of the rest of the parts? Quoted: Quoted: So, where do 80% lowers stand now ? This is confusing. Yes, good question. Do people who have built P80s need to serialize them now? Or only the people who bought them in kits that had all of the rest of the parts? Sounds like only 80s sold with a complete kit to me so far |
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Quoted: You probably cannot sell “buy build shoot” kits containing a complete upper, LPK & 80% lower without the buyer doing a background check anymore It's my understanding that a completed (not built) 80% lower can not be sold to anybody, not even privately. Please correct me if I'm wrong about it. |
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Quoted: Anyone who's ever made a spud gun knows that PVC pipe is readily convertable to expel a projectile using an explosive. So serial numbers for pvc pipe? Background checks at Home Depot? If I need to cut it down to fix my sink do I have to SBR it? Seems like sloppy, wide open wording from SCOTUS. it's an intersting question. I can take a PVC pipe, a tennis ball, a can of hairspray, and a lighter, and have that going in well under 21 minutes. So where did that metric come from? And what other criteria are involved in it's selective application? |
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So… now atf can claim making your own, homemade firearm, for personal use is illegal unless registered? What’s next, you want to write a book / speech / text / social media post you have to pre register it with the FCC etc before you can write it? Because that’s the same infringement in regards to violating our first amendment rights / second amendment rights. |