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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:03:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beretta announced their NARP (Next Assault Rifle Platform). Horrible name, but looks like an MCX copy and Beretta has way better QC than Sig. https://www.berettadefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/NARP_Side-Right_white-1.png But with how the ARX 100 went they probably won't even release it to civilians. We never got the ARX 200. Quote HistoryQuoted: Beretta announced their NARP (Next Assault Rifle Platform). Horrible name, but looks like an MCX copy and Beretta has way better QC than Sig. https://www.berettadefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/NARP_Side-Right_white-1.png But with how the ARX 100 went they probably won't even release it to civilians. We never got the ARX 200. What is the logic behind a buffer tube stock on a rifle that doesn't function need it? I bet it weighs 8-9#. Beretta holding out on the ARX200 was pure asshattery. Quoted: ACAL This has my interest. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:03:41 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: im gonna be out there for a concrete expo that week. any chance i can get in? i can be a murse carrier or something?? granted just like sportsball games its better to view from home, less bums and feces around and what not.... but seeing as how i am gonna be in area, i figure its worth a......... shot... Ill be out there for WOC as well. Sometimes our setup service does some of the bigger shot vendors as well and have passes. If I get there and that’s the case I’ll pm you. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:04:15 PM EST
[#3]
It’s going to be fun seeing everybody’s reactions.
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:16:07 PM EST
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Quoted: It’s going to be fun seeing everybody’s reactions. Now you’ve done it. 
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:26:59 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s going to be fun seeing everybody’s reactions. I got it! A new cannon line to match their logo! |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:29:26 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s going to be fun seeing everybody’s reactions. Are you teasing an H&R product? Or are you saying this because you know what your friends on the PSA side of the house are up to? |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:31:33 PM EST
[#7]
PSA, DPMS, and H&R all have some cool stuff at SHOT this year.
10 days to go. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:41:42 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10/22 makes sense on the popularity front, I just can't imagine there's any margin to be had in the platform. Shotguns - Turks will kill you on price. I don't think they have expertise in levers or revolvers. They've played around with 1911s, but again, Turkey and Philippines are tough competitors Garands and M14s are on the horizon, but they don't really lend themselves to modularity. P320? Modular. Probably some room for innovation, but I'm not sure what patents are on those. 92s or 226s. About as unmodular as you can get. I'm sure they have some wrinkles coming our way. They are arguably the most innovative firearms company today. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In a recent interview, Jamin from PSA/JJE was very excited about SHOT and said something to the effect of this "will be the most baller SHOT Show ever." He hinted that this will include PSA getting into two other gun types with lego-like DIY builds like the ARs and Daggers. I think it's a good guess one is a 10/22. Not sure on the other. I think 870s make a lot of sense, but I could also see them building Ruger pattern .22 pistols. 10/22 makes sense on the popularity front, I just can't imagine there's any margin to be had in the platform. Shotguns - Turks will kill you on price. I don't think they have expertise in levers or revolvers. They've played around with 1911s, but again, Turkey and Philippines are tough competitors Garands and M14s are on the horizon, but they don't really lend themselves to modularity. P320? Modular. Probably some room for innovation, but I'm not sure what patents are on those. 92s or 226s. About as unmodular as you can get. I'm sure they have some wrinkles coming our way. They are arguably the most innovative firearms company today. PSA can be profitable in the 10/22 space for the same reason they’re profitable in the AR and Glock pattern pistol spaces: vertical integration. They make a lot of their parts in house and/or they own some of their own suppliers, and they sell directly to consumers. Meanwhile, most other factory guns have parts sold to the manufacturer at a profit, and then complete guns being sold by manufacturers, distributors, and retailers all taking a margin. 10/22 makes a lot of sense because they can sell everything separately, in kits, or as complete guns just like ARs and Daggers. You could see guns with PSA, Ruger, Volquartsen, and TacSol parts all in one gun. Turkish shotguns are not competitive because they’re trash. People will pay more for American and for stuff that works. The Maverick 88 might be competition, but it’s a cheap product that’s short on features, and some people just don’t like Mossberg. They could make a line of P320 stuff, but the FCU is still patented. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:43:29 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA, DPMS, and H&R all have some cool stuff at SHOT this year. 10 days to go. If H&R is introducing something that isn’t an AR variant, blink twice.
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:57:23 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: iPhone 7 cases from MagPul 
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Posted: 1/13/2024 4:12:47 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s going to be fun seeing everybody’s reactions. #mybodyisready |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 4:18:27 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA can be profitable in the 10/22 space for the same reason they’re profitable in the AR and Glock pattern pistol spaces: vertical integration. They make a lot of their parts in house and/or they own some of their own suppliers, and they sell directly to consumers. Meanwhile, most other factory guns have parts sold to the manufacturer at a profit, and then complete guns being sold by manufacturers, distributors, and retailers all taking a margin. 10/22 makes a lot of sense because they can sell everything separately, in kits, or as complete guns just like ARs and Daggers. You could see guns with PSA, Ruger, Volquartsen, and TacSol parts all in one gun. Turkish shotguns are not competitive because they’re trash. People will pay more for American and for stuff that works. The Maverick 88 might be competition, but it’s a cheap product that’s short on features, and some people just don’t like Mossberg. They could make a line of P320 stuff, but the FCU is still patented. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In a recent interview, Jamin from PSA/JJE was very excited about SHOT and said something to the effect of this "will be the most baller SHOT Show ever." He hinted that this will include PSA getting into two other gun types with lego-like DIY builds like the ARs and Daggers. I think it's a good guess one is a 10/22. Not sure on the other. I think 870s make a lot of sense, but I could also see them building Ruger pattern .22 pistols. 10/22 makes sense on the popularity front, I just can't imagine there's any margin to be had in the platform. Shotguns - Turks will kill you on price. I don't think they have expertise in levers or revolvers. They've played around with 1911s, but again, Turkey and Philippines are tough competitors Garands and M14s are on the horizon, but they don't really lend themselves to modularity. P320? Modular. Probably some room for innovation, but I'm not sure what patents are on those. 92s or 226s. About as unmodular as you can get. I'm sure they have some wrinkles coming our way. They are arguably the most innovative firearms company today. PSA can be profitable in the 10/22 space for the same reason they’re profitable in the AR and Glock pattern pistol spaces: vertical integration. They make a lot of their parts in house and/or they own some of their own suppliers, and they sell directly to consumers. Meanwhile, most other factory guns have parts sold to the manufacturer at a profit, and then complete guns being sold by manufacturers, distributors, and retailers all taking a margin. 10/22 makes a lot of sense because they can sell everything separately, in kits, or as complete guns just like ARs and Daggers. You could see guns with PSA, Ruger, Volquartsen, and TacSol parts all in one gun. Turkish shotguns are not competitive because they’re trash. People will pay more for American and for stuff that works. The Maverick 88 might be competition, but it’s a cheap product that’s short on features, and some people just don’t like Mossberg. They could make a line of P320 stuff, but the FCU is still patented. If PSA can make 10/22 style rifle/pistols AND parts, my wallet would hurt for years. If they can make a CCI SV style .22lr ammo for 3.xx a box? I will forever be broke as fuck. We need AAC .22lr ammo |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 4:37:05 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA, DPMS, and H&R all have some cool stuff at SHOT this year. 10 days to go. I thought I remember hearing something a while ago about PSA looking into getting into other classic rifles like the FAL, M14 (maybe Garand, but can't recall), and some others. Give me a PSA or H&R made FAL with a FN hammer forged and chrome lined barrel 
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Posted: 1/13/2024 4:48:24 PM EST
[#14]
Leupold with the mk4hd line is kindof an interest for me
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Posted: 1/13/2024 4:52:10 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If H&R is introducing something that isn’t an AR variant, blink twice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PSA, DPMS, and H&R all have some cool stuff at SHOT this year. 10 days to go. If H&R is introducing something that isn’t an AR variant, blink twice. Hopefully a FAL or M14... |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 4:56:45 PM EST
[#16]
I'm an old boomer fudd. Someone resurrect Contenders. Please.
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Posted: 1/13/2024 4:57:29 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that Gaston has died? Glock 2011's Glock AR's Gloock Revolvers Glock Rotary 40mm Grenade Luncher |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 4:58:14 PM EST
[#18]
There are Glock AR’s out there.
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Posted: 1/13/2024 5:09:46 PM EST
[#19]
PSA should start a line of M2Hb in semi auto along with a a .50bmg AAC ammo line.
Make Ma Duce great again again |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 5:13:07 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA, DPMS, and H&R all have some cool stuff at SHOT this year. 10 days to go. What, did you guys locate some M1 Garand forging dies? |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 5:15:37 PM EST
[#21]
I wish PSA would just come out with the Stg44 already. You know, the one that was announced at SHOT 2023 and was supposed to be released Q4 of last year?
Right. Like I ever get what I want. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 5:20:38 PM EST
[#22]
I just hope SOMEONE comes out with a $2500 1911 that looks the exact same as the ones last year. And the ones in 2022...and 2021...and 2020...and 2019...and 2018...and 2017...and 2016...and 2015...and 2014...and 2013...and...
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Posted: 1/13/2024 5:24:33 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If PSA can make 10/22 style rifle/pistols AND parts, my wallet would hurt for years. If they can make a CCI SV style .22lr ammo for 3.xx a box? I will forever be broke as fuck. We need AAC .22lr ammo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In a recent interview, Jamin from PSA/JJE was very excited about SHOT and said something to the effect of this "will be the most baller SHOT Show ever." He hinted that this will include PSA getting into two other gun types with lego-like DIY builds like the ARs and Daggers. I think it's a good guess one is a 10/22. Not sure on the other. I think 870s make a lot of sense, but I could also see them building Ruger pattern .22 pistols. 10/22 makes sense on the popularity front, I just can't imagine there's any margin to be had in the platform. Shotguns - Turks will kill you on price. I don't think they have expertise in levers or revolvers. They've played around with 1911s, but again, Turkey and Philippines are tough competitors Garands and M14s are on the horizon, but they don't really lend themselves to modularity. P320? Modular. Probably some room for innovation, but I'm not sure what patents are on those. 92s or 226s. About as unmodular as you can get. I'm sure they have some wrinkles coming our way. They are arguably the most innovative firearms company today. PSA can be profitable in the 10/22 space for the same reason they’re profitable in the AR and Glock pattern pistol spaces: vertical integration. They make a lot of their parts in house and/or they own some of their own suppliers, and they sell directly to consumers. Meanwhile, most other factory guns have parts sold to the manufacturer at a profit, and then complete guns being sold by manufacturers, distributors, and retailers all taking a margin. 10/22 makes a lot of sense because they can sell everything separately, in kits, or as complete guns just like ARs and Daggers. You could see guns with PSA, Ruger, Volquartsen, and TacSol parts all in one gun. Turkish shotguns are not competitive because they’re trash. People will pay more for American and for stuff that works. The Maverick 88 might be competition, but it’s a cheap product that’s short on features, and some people just don’t like Mossberg. They could make a line of P320 stuff, but the FCU is still patented. If PSA can make 10/22 style rifle/pistols AND parts, my wallet would hurt for years. If they can make a CCI SV style .22lr ammo for 3.xx a box? I will forever be broke as fuck. We need AAC .22lr ammo If they make the guns, they'll make more parts than guns... just like they do with ARs and Daggers. Most PSA AR uppers don't get installed on PSA lowers. I don't know about most, but I'd bet a lot of the Dagger slides end up on frames from P80 or somewhere else. I'd expect 10/22 stuff to be similar. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 5:27:30 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just hope SOMEONE comes out with a $2500 1911 that looks the exact same as the ones last year. And the ones in 2022...and 2021...and 2020...and 2019...and 2018...and 2017...and 2016...and 2015...and 2014...and 2013...and... |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 9:52:32 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryThis looks like it can't be used without removing the front BUIS. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 5:37:19 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ill be out there for WOC as well. Sometimes our setup service does some of the bigger shot vendors as well and have passes. If I get there and that’s the case I’ll pm you. my brother! i love it! |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 5:51:31 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This looks like it can't be used without removing the front BUIS. If you have the kind of money that you are buying this equipment to use with other equipment.. your BUIS should be somewhere towards the back of the handguard if you are even using one |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:44:16 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s going to be fun seeing everybody’s reactions. I’m about 99% sure of what you have cooking for SHOT show. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:51:16 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have the kind of money that you are buying this equipment to use with other equipment.. your BUIS should be somewhere towards the back of the handguard if you are even using one Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This looks like it can't be used without removing the front BUIS. If you have the kind of money that you are buying this equipment to use with other equipment.. your BUIS should be somewhere towards the back of the handguard if you are even using one I don’t have a single iron sight on any gun with an MFAL. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:54:52 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm hoping for something with a helical mag like a Bizon or modernized Calico just because I think they're cool. Other than that I'd love to see a WA2000 or FAMAS clone. I suspect we'll see a S&W bullpup that functions and looks suspiciously like a Kel-Tec RDB. Speaking of Kel-Tec, I'd love to see an RFB chambered in 6.5 CM. Not a one to one of the wa2000 as its just too complicated but this is coming to shotshow as a 308, Rhineland R2000 rifle. We have been offered the 10 or so last remaining Wa2000s as unbuilt kits, but we are not going to take that one on. 
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:36:03 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: im gonna be out there for a concrete expo that week. any chance i can get in? i can be a murse carrier or something?? granted just like sportsball games its better to view from home, less bums and feces around and what not.... but seeing as how i am gonna be in area, i figure its worth a......... shot... I went to SHOT show just about every year I lived in Las Vegas, not once was I invited. Same with a bunch of other conventions. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:40:07 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a one to one of the wa2000 as its just too complicated but this is coming to shotshow as a 308, Rhineland R2000 rifle. We have been offered the 10 or so last remaining Wa2000s as unbuilt kits, but we are not going to take that one on. https://www.troupsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/left-side.jpg Yes. 
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:55:59 PM EST
[#33]
Remember last year, after eight years in development hell for their StG 44 clone, PSA bought Hill & Mac Gunworks and, at SHOT Show 2023, promised it would definitely be released in 2023? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:08:18 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s going to be fun seeing everybody’s reactions. Top charging Dissapator with prototype furniture and waffle mags? |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:09:31 PM EST
[#35]
I just want cheap ammo
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:37:28 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I went to SHOT show just about every year I lived in Las Vegas, not once was I invited. Same with a bunch of other conventions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: im gonna be out there for a concrete expo that week. any chance i can get in? i can be a murse carrier or something?? granted just like sportsball games its better to view from home, less bums and feces around and what not.... but seeing as how i am gonna be in area, i figure its worth a......... shot... I went to SHOT show just about every year I lived in Las Vegas, not once was I invited. Same with a bunch of other conventions. How do you accomplish that? It’s not open to the general public and you must be an FFL or employed by an FFL business or “press/media” or have a guest pass from a vendor attending the event. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:26:14 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you accomplish that? It’s not open to the general public and you must be an FFL or employed by an FFL business or “press/media” or have a guest pass from a vendor attending the event. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: im gonna be out there for a concrete expo that week. any chance i can get in? i can be a murse carrier or something?? granted just like sportsball games its better to view from home, less bums and feces around and what not.... but seeing as how i am gonna be in area, i figure its worth a......... shot... I went to SHOT show just about every year I lived in Las Vegas, not once was I invited. Same with a bunch of other conventions. How do you accomplish that? It’s not open to the general public and you must be an FFL or employed by an FFL business or “press/media” or have a guest pass from a vendor attending the event. There are certain occupations that people don't question being in certain places. There are also people that can pull off 'looking like you belong there' better than others. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 1:32:42 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are certain occupations that people don't question being in certain places. There are also people that can pull off 'looking like you belong there' better than others. I got into a ton of meetings I had no part of being invited to because I worked at the venue or was friends with someone who did. Corporate earnings meetings? Welp didn't know what they were at the time so didn't do anything worthwhile. Private music venues? that I did well with.
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Posted: 1/16/2024 2:00:50 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought I remember hearing something a while ago about PSA looking into getting into other classic rifles like the FAL, M14 (maybe Garand, but can't recall), and some others. Give me a PSA or H&R made FAL with a FN hammer forged and chrome lined barrel |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 2:18:47 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But once it gets exposure on the Gram by some loser it will sell like ice water in hell. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just hope SOMEONE comes out with a $2500 1911 that looks the exact same as the ones last year. And the ones in 2022...and 2021...and 2020...and 2019...and 2018...and 2017...and 2016...and 2015...and 2014...and 2013...and... Only if it has the required 87 lightening cuts at 69 different angles on the slide. 
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Posted: 1/16/2024 2:50:01 PM EST
[#41]
I'd like to see a US mfg come out with a percussion version of the Kibler Woodsrunner. LOL I know I know I'm stuck in the wrong century - I need to jump back thru the portal....
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Posted: 1/16/2024 2:57:22 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a good guess. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 3:00:37 PM EST
[#43]
In the new Magpul stock video, they show an Apache rifle case from Harbor Freight with a DAKA Grid organizer.
 Magpul - MOE PR Carbine Stock  
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Posted: 1/16/2024 3:01:05 PM EST
[#44]
HK33k pistol is what every roller lock fan has been asking for and promised for several ShotShows now.
 instead we will get ANOTHER AR or MP5 clone with pic rail and MLOC up the ass. The market is saturated with AR this and that.......BORING. 
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Posted: 1/16/2024 3:02:13 PM EST
[#45]
I"m hyped about the ACAL and excited to see Beretta's NARP (sounds like that guy from the movie "Hot Fuzz").
The ACAL is a God send if it does everything advertised for the predicted price point. Long, and I mean long have the civilian night vision goon bros waited for something like the ACAL to hit the market. If it is $1,500 I'll probably end up owning two of them eventually. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 3:45:27 PM EST
[#46]
Magpie let slip the TMag- Translucent OD Green AR mag
They also introduced their metal Sig 320 magazine |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 4:57:55 PM EST
[#47]
My wishlist:
- A modern top-break revolver, 8-shot .357/.38, cut for moonclips, optics ready, with accessory rail for WML. Made by S&W, Ruger, or Colt - FN High Power Edge made for Limited Optics division: 5” barrel, full-length accessory rail, optics ready, small magwell, tuned and lightened trigger - More not-a-2011 2011 competitors. Fullsize, 9mm, steel/aluminum frame, hammer-fired SAO, optics ready, accessory rail - More 2011-style pistols that use modern duty pistol magazines (DWX, Platypus, 2311, etc) - NO MORE 3RD GEN GLOCK CLONES |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 5:05:11 PM EST
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Add a modernized 4th Gen S&W 5906. Optics ready, accessory rail, 17-round capacity, etc
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Posted: 1/16/2024 5:09:26 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ...- A modern top-break revolver, 8-shot .357/.38, cut for moonclips, optics ready, with accessory rail for WML. Made by S&W, Ruger, or Colt ... This would be amazing. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 5:31:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This would be amazing. In 10MM! |
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