[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SIGUSA responds. (Page 2 of 8)
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A lot of bullshit and deflection in that PR piece. SIG guy says look new pistols, when they get out there and take off, the number of discharges and weapons handling mistakes will take off. It's normal. Bullshit. Glock has far more guns out there and if you look at them (Sig and Glock) in the same time frame, where are the discharges with the Glock? Glock has a metric shit ton more market exposure and saturation and by should be flooding the industry and the courts with tales of similar problems. But they aren't because what Sig is trying to say happens isn't happening with Glocks (or M and Ps) it's a Sig-centric problem. Sig p320 is becoming the 2020s version of the 1970s Ford Pinto. |
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Quoted: Did he specifically ask about the video where the cop is standing there in a lobby and the gun goes off in the holster? I've always wondered what SIG says about that specific incident. Though up until now Sig's official stance was that the pistol was not fully seated in the holster , while we all knew what they misunderstood to be the open holster hhod was actually a TQ mounted to the spine of the holster, this video seems to contradict their previous finding and now places the blame on a set of mysterious keys attached to the officer's belt who brushes up against the cop who's gun goes off. |
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Quoted: Sig, do everything like blame holsters, buckles, shirts, etc.....rather than send a dozen randomly selected guns to an independent to test them and provide unbiased input. Sig has the money to do this.... Sig performed a vibration test on ten random P320s, and acknowledged (simply by disclosing test results) three of the ten pistols failed by allowing, “light strikes.” Sig never disclosed whether primers detonated in the failed guns, but it appeared in the low-res photos, those “light strikes” were enough to detonate primers. Sig, I believe, maintains that these guns functioned normally. 
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Mac is a hypocrit scalping shill. Unsubbed years ago. Won't even give that video a click. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/MAC-Military-Arms-Channel-Hungarian-SVD-cluster--/5-2435064/?page=1 https://www.texasguntalk.com/threads/military-arms-channel-svd-controversy.104120/ |
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Quoted: I wan't to be gaslighted. Have I come to the right place? Yes sir! Watch the video for a heaping helping of gaslighting.* *Don't do that. The video is just a SIG rep and a shill shilling for a known defective product, and it's long and boring with excuses that it's everything but the gun. Climate change caused my 320 to ND. |
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Quoted: I hope he got a lot of money… because it only cost him the remainder of his credibility. Attached File |
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Quoted: Sig performed a vibration test on ten random P320s, and acknowledged (simply by disclosing test results) three of the ten pistols failed by allowing, “light strikes.” Sig never disclosed whether primers detonated in the failed guns, but it appeared in the low-res photos, those “light strikes” were enough to detonate primers. Sig, I believe, maintains that these guns functioned normally. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91362/IMG_0601-3539138.jpg TO me, that looks like a classic striker block failure. |
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Quoted: TO me, that looks like a classic striker block failure. But to me the real question is why is the striker coming off the sear in the first place? Follow up question would be how many P320s are in a holster right now with a dead trigger but the striker block stopped the discharge? |
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Quoted: Definitely. But to me the real question is why is the striker coming off the sear in the first place? Follow up question would be how many P320s are in a holster right now with a dead trigger but the striker block stopped the discharge? Now that is a good question. |
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Quoted: I'm looking forward to Garand Thumb's video on it. As a Sig (classics) fan and 3x 320 owner I do too. Unlike most here I'm not sold on the video GD believes is the grail. I want definitive proof that says this is/are the parts that are bad/failed and it causes a UD and can be repeated. Until that is PROVEN its speculation. I've said this since the video came out with the "long pokey" if this is indeed the grail it will shortly become a point of reference in the next court case, we will see if it is convincing or not. |
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Quoted: A lot of bullshit and deflection in that PR piece. SIG guy says look new pistols, when they get out there and take off, the number of discharges and weapons handling mistakes will take off. It's normal. Bullshit. Glock has far more guns out there and if you look at them (Sig and Glock) in the same time frame, where are the discharges with the Glock? Glock has a metric shit ton more market exposure and saturation and by should be flooding the industry and the courts with tales of similar problems. But they aren't because what Sig is trying to say happens isn't happening with Glocks (or M and Ps) it's a Sig-centric problem. Sig p320 is becoming the 2020s version of the 1970s Ford Pinto. Just to be Devils advocate here, Glock has historically been number one for NDs because of the pull the trigger on takedown part of the manual of arms. Nobody really thinks anything about it because it's very clearly user error. To claim it doesn't happen at all, though, is a little disingenuous. |
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Quoted: He did that? What a retard. The VP9 is far superior to the P320 in every way. Quoted: Quoted: MAC should throw a 320 at some steel plates, like his VP9 video. He did that? What a retard. The VP9 is far superior to the P320 in every way. Yes, he did. To illicit a failure. That was part of his "durability" test that he oddly, never did before or since. |
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Quoted: Lets see where this goes. MAC is a shill so not very hopeful. Watching it now. 18 minutes in and still blaming holsters. To skip the BS start at: 15:00 minutes. Summery: More gas lighting, holsters fault and lack of training, etc. No real talk of mechanics. Sig rep implies if you probe with a tool you are moving the trigger. 3.5 million P320s out in the world. P365 has just as many out or more. Note: Tim asked why no P365 problems. Sig rep sidestepped the question, with he doesn't know or can't comment, hmmm. They did show about 30 seconds of vibration testing. I only saw one gun with a magazine inserted. Tim said they were going to do a drop test in the video which never occurred. Sig rep said they have their own video coming out, So the people can know the truth. So to sum it up just more bullshit from a SIG shill. I was hopeful but no joy.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzHHUmqHA9kThank you for posting the video. That settles it for me. Sig’s position was extremely persuasive. I’m good with Sig and the P320. There really is no problem; just a bunch of social-media nonsense to try to slander Sig. |
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Quoted: Sig, do everything like blame holsters, buckles, shirts, etc.....rather than send a dozen randomly selected guns to an independent to test them and provide unbiased input. Sig has the money to do this.... Fuck that. Need to go buy some random guns from a gun store. |
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Quoted: Sig performed a vibration test on ten random P320s, and acknowledged (simply by disclosing test results) three of the ten pistols failed by allowing, “light strikes.” Sig never disclosed whether primers detonated in the failed guns, but it appeared in the low-res photos, those “light strikes” were enough to detonate primers. Sig, I believe, maintains that these guns functioned normally. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91362/IMG_0601-3539138.jpg Looks about the same as the dimple you get chambering a round in an AR. |