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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:57:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a pitched battle? Samurai. Dropping a limited party of either in the other's homeland with no resupply? The home team wins. In an open field pitched battle the Samurai win. One on one where the Indian has a metal spear and tomahawk would be a good pay per view. I do like the idea of Tom Cruise vs Kevin Costner to the death, win either way IMO. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:57:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP specified pre-firearms, so it would be before that period. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: lol Samurai against illiterate stone-age savages? This. The Samurai were professional soldiers, they would stomp the Indians even if you gave them Samurai equipment. If they both had firearms, same answer. It really depends on the era. Samurai were basically armed bureaucrats at the end. OP specified pre-firearms, so it would be before that period. So the Indians would be pre horse. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:59:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indians didnt have domesticated horses until the arrival of Europeans. Armor. Mounted cavalry. We're done now :) So the Japanese horses were native to the Islands of Japan? |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:00:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nazi Germany in 1939 Or The Eskimo tribes in Alaska? That's pretty much this question Taking place on Alaskan Tundra in Alaskan Winter? 
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:00:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: The Samurai with their swords, bow and arrows vs. the most fierce American Indian tribe (Comanche, Sioux, Apache, Kiowa, Cheyenne, etc.) with their tomahawks, spears, bow and arrows. Both with horses. No guns. Who wins and why? Discuss. No contest, samurai kills them all. Samurai with great discipline and greater archery range. Close combat would be ridiculous, katana vs tomahawks. Body armor verses leather. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:00:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Though I'm going with Samurai just because of the tech advantage, I think I remember reading accounts of Portuguese sailors beating Samurai in duels (correct me if I'm wrong). They were skilled warriors but the legend has far surpassed the reality.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:02:10 PM EDT
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My vote is for the Samurai. Reason is two very different fighting styles . Samurai fought more as a unit . American Indians fought more for themselves to count basically for points .
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:03:50 PM EDT
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Hard to say...a tossup, maybe?
 Toshiro Mifune throws Charles Bronson around for about 2 minutes. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:06:22 PM EDT
[#9]
Infantry with state of the art rifles and artillery support
Vs The smell of springtime lilacs |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:07:28 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Samurai against illiterate stone-age savages? It's Samurai against Indians. Not Samurai against Arfcom GD (illiterate stone-age savages). |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:08:00 PM EDT
[#11]
Joe Biden's shitty diaper
or The entire Imperium of Man |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:08:23 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the Indians would be pre horse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: lol Samurai against illiterate stone-age savages? This. The Samurai were professional soldiers, they would stomp the Indians even if you gave them Samurai equipment. If they both had firearms, same answer. It really depends on the era. Samurai were basically armed bureaucrats at the end. OP specified pre-firearms, so it would be before that period. So the Indians would be pre horse. Yes, assuming we go with ~1500 as the time when Samurai widely started using firearms, it would mean the Indians didn't have horses yet, and wouldn't get them for another 150 years. History is fascinating to me, but it's kind of mind bending when you look at dates across cultures. Like how Oxford University is several hundred years older than the Aztec empire. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:08:29 PM EDT
[#13]
iwouldntknow
vs a rail of peeps |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:11:28 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: iwouldntknow vs a rail of peeps The answer is not as easy as it seems... |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:11:53 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Comanche wins easily if it is on horse. 
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:12:34 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A long-boat full of Vikings or Some monks with gold crosses |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:13:41 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Samurai wins. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:15:29 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tom Cruise vs. Kevin Costner 
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:17:09 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A long-boat full of Vikings or Some monks with gold crosses The city of Copenhagen or some British bois in boats. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:17:16 PM EDT
[#20]
A well-trained Samurai would be very difficult to beat, and they had superior weapons and armor. And unlike American Indians, they fought well collectively.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:17:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With our superior fighting force, we lost against rice farmers in pajamas and then later on, rock farmers in pajamas. I guess it would depend who’s turf it happened on. Point of order, we never lost any battle in VN. The politicians (spit) lost the war. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:19:59 PM EDT
[#22]
Bald Brittney Spears with a 9-iron.
vs An unarmored SUV and a camera crew. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:20:28 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Samurai had steel weapons. Excellent lamellar armor, and later plate armor. Battle formations. Communications via flag signals. American Indians were basically skirmishers? What armor did they have? What battle formations? What communications? Similar to Sub-Saharan Africa until the Zulu. Tribes that just skirmished in low-intensity, low-casualty conflicts. The Zulu changed the game by actually directly engaging in head on fighting. I am the opposite of a weeb, but the Samurai still take this one easily. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:21:00 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Point of order, we never lost any battle in VN. The politicians (spit) lost the war. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: With our superior fighting force, we lost against rice farmers in pajamas and then later on, rock farmers in pajamas. I guess it would depend who’s turf it happened on. Point of order, we never lost any battle in VN. The politicians (spit) lost the war. Same goes for AFG. Political losses don't factor into this scenario. The Samurai's lord won't accept defeat, and the Indians don't have a government. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:26:24 PM EDT
[#25]
Strong Independent Woman who don't NEEEED no man.
Vs A Gallon of Haagen Dazs Cookies and Cream |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:28:07 PM EDT
[#26]
Samurai don't count coup.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:28:41 PM EDT
[#27]
Wasn't this a TV show
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:30:50 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The city of Copenhagen or some British bois in boats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A long-boat full of Vikings or Some monks with gold crosses The city of Copenhagen or some British bois in boats. We need @Swede1986 in here |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:31:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Some obscure 15th century battle where Sweden beat Denmark
Vs Some obscure 18th century battle I also am not familiar with |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:32:57 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, assuming we go with ~1500 as the time when Samurai widely started using firearms, it would mean the Indians didn't have horses yet, and wouldn't get them for another 150 years. History is fascinating to me, but it's kind of mind bending when you look at dates across cultures. Like how Oxford University is several hundred years older than the Aztec empire. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: lol Samurai against illiterate stone-age savages? This. The Samurai were professional soldiers, they would stomp the Indians even if you gave them Samurai equipment. If they both had firearms, same answer. It really depends on the era. Samurai were basically armed bureaucrats at the end. OP specified pre-firearms, so it would be before that period. So the Indians would be pre horse. Yes, assuming we go with ~1500 as the time when Samurai widely started using firearms, it would mean the Indians didn't have horses yet, and wouldn't get them for another 150 years. History is fascinating to me, but it's kind of mind bending when you look at dates across cultures. Like how Oxford University is several hundred years older than the Aztec empire. That was when Japan was still fighting their civil wars and the Samurai class were still serious warriors. American Indians of that time period would not have stood a chance in a head to head battle. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:38:30 PM EDT
[#31]
The double Walls of Constantinople which stood for millenia
Or A giant fuckin cannon |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:39:44 PM EDT
[#32]
How about armed as they were when they rubbed out Custer?
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:41:47 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The city of Copenhagen or some British bois in boats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A long-boat full of Vikings or Some monks with gold crosses The city of Copenhagen or some British bois in boats.  This thread is no longer fun. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:44:53 PM EDT
[#34]
If by most fierce you mean the Chickasaw then no contest. Once dubbed the Spartans of the Mississippi they defeated the French on three occasions and are largely responsible for the demise of the French colonies since they couldn't connect the Mississippi river to New Orleans. That's right a small group of assholes defeated a empire. How you say? Because they way in which they conducted combat! The ability to disappear into their surroundings, a decentralized command structure, and the lack of a standing army all lead to a style of warfare that took the gloves off! No politics, no fuck fuck games, no such thing as fair only winning.
The samurai honor code is what would be their demise. In a "fair" fight 1 on 1 it's hard to imagine a half naked man with a sharp stick coming out victorious. But there's no fucking way a group a samurai could roll through Indian country and not get fucked up! Ask Hernando De Soto! |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:45:18 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Samurai against illiterate stone-age savages? You talking about the USMC, 1941 to 1945? We won that one. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:46:39 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They didn't figure out agriculture or the wheel either. I have respect for the Indian culture, but they would get destroyed by samurai. If you think the Indians didn’t have agriculture you might want to revisit some source texts on this one. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:51:16 PM EDT
[#37]
How about 12 geishas with bamboo fans versus 12 Apache squaws with metate stones?
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:57:17 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: X2 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Samurai wins. X2 Given equal numbers. And noone gets a tactical surprise advantage. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:59:26 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about 10 polar bears vs like 5 toddlers Do the toddlers have Legos? |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:00:07 PM EDT
[#40]
Lol metal working cultures smoke hunter-gatherers.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:00:21 PM EDT
[#41]
If all of the wheels and technological advancements are what leads to 2022, Fuck the white man I'm out!
Seriously tho, the native way isn't lost or as savage as ones public school educations can lead to believe. There were many strong Nations that very much lived a modern life they were however stamped out by big government and the jokes on the westerners now. Your the Indian today muthafuckas and The United States is the Rez. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:02:36 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread is no longer fun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A long-boat full of Vikings or Some monks with gold crosses The city of Copenhagen or some British bois in boats. This thread is no longer fun. Swede isn't even here yet for you twos weird ancient battle arguments |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:04:40 PM EDT
[#43]
beans vs no beans
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:05:09 PM EDT
[#44]
Several heart to heart conversations on how to be normal
Vs Capnrob97 |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:05:37 PM EDT
[#45]
I am not sure the American Indian might not win. Remember the United States fought for 100 years with various American Indian tribes. It wasn’t until lessons were learned about modern warfare by the US during the Civil War regarding attacking logistics did the United States prevail.
It was the Indian tribes that stopped Spanish / Mexican expansionism going north. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:06:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:19:16 PM EDT
[#47]
The entire United States Armed Forces
or Woke politics |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:23:51 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If all of the wheels and technological advancements are what leads to 2022, Fuck the white man I'm out! Seriously tho, the native way isn't lost or as savage as ones public school educations can lead to believe. There were many strong Nations that very much lived a modern life they were however stamped out by big government and the jokes on the westerners now. Your the Indian today muthafuckas and The United States is the Rez.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:24:49 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tech almost always wins. Forged steel vs paleolithic? Sort of like conquistadors, minus the small pox. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Samurai wins. Tech almost always wins. Forged steel vs paleolithic? Sort of like conquistadors, minus the small pox. True, but there is also an uncommon discipline and cohesion that provide a focus and multipler effect that just isn't comparable......not too many decades later they would fight to the death in their quest to rule the world. They wanted the Empire of the Sun to cast on all.....the Redman cycled through war and treaties and would rather smoke kinnikinnick with you or even some White devil than commit hari-kari bc they failed to destroy you. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:27:15 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: iwouldntknow vs a rail of peeps Iwouldntknow Vs A piece of steel literally sitting on the ground |
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