Quoted:


Honest question here....
Is there no pathway for repentance, forgiveness, and reconcilation?  
Is this because he's proven untrustworthy for life, or because he's soiled the profession and the rest of those in the profession don't want to be tarred by his actions?

Personally, guy is a fucking dirtbag, and if ran out on a rail never to return, I'd not care.  But, I'm also not a pastor that works professionally with forgiveness.

Quoted:
I haven't read past page 3 but thanks to those who have offered great advice.  

Ok, here's the update:

My friend and his wife had separated a few weeks ago because her erratic behavior was affecting the children.  He also has sort of given up on his marriage but is hoping his wife will finally agree to get mental health care for the post-partum thing from appropriate doctors.  He told me he's mentally ready to move on in his life without the wife.  He was aware that "bible boy" was going to counsel his wife.  He saw that as a step in the right direction for her.

I showed him the photos and he was shocked to see that they were meeting at a remote location... in the guys van... alone.  But he took it very well.  

He went on to say that when he met with this very same guy last week, he demanded that they meet at the church and their conversation would be recorded for legal reasons and  "safety against impropriety".   We both came to the conclusion that "Mr. Holy Hypocrite" is likely "grooming" his poor wife for his own deviant purposes.

He agreed that I should keep my meeting with church elders.  He also asked that I not share what I saw with anyone else (so there won't be photos guys).  As for me, I haven't even mentioned this to my wife.  I only asked one trusted church elder for a meeting with at least two church leaders.

So... I hope to remain anonymous on this site so please don't ARock me.

Anyway, for those of you who think the details of impropriety are important; I don't think "Van Man" convinced the woman to "do the sex" in the van but there was certainly kissing and petting going on.

I fully expect the creepy church guy to lie about what was going on yesterday.  I have photos to support the fact that they were together.... I do not have clear photos of them making out in the car.  

I have mixed feelings about doing more updates here. But I've read some really great advice on this thread and think others might benefit from that advice as I have.

I think it is important for people to know that predators like this find their way into our churches, schools, inner circle of friends, etc. so they can prey on people when they are vulnerable.  Someone has to shine the light on them.  This time it's my turn.  I just want to do it the right way.

Quoted:

Who? Paul? Or Jesus?

I can forgive a man all day but a pastor has ZERO business being a pastor and living in such a way. Absolutely zero. Paul makes it clear here and Timothy if I need to pull those verses out.

The “first stone” section you mention is an interpolation. Maybe it was part of the Bible originally, maybe not. Either way there’s no question about the other verses above.

Quoted:

The weak husband, who had a child with this woman, yet finds it easy to leave when she's going through a rough patch, helped create this domino effect as well.  (That's as far as I can tell from reading the OP's statements)

Quoted:


So how far do you take that?

Can I judge you for lying if I looked at porn last night?
Can you judge me for cussing if you hurt your wife's feelings yesterday?

Quoted:


I agree 100%. He should not have even posted this here. With his attitude I question if he's actually a member of the church. If he took all the steps eg. tell the elders (they do nothing), tell the parishioners (they do nothing), then you should tell people outside the church.

Quoted:


Probably just a goodbye peck on the cheek after getting some personal counsel on the wishes of our Lord Jesus.

There is no limit to the mental gymnastics some people will complete to live in denial land.

Joe Biden won fair and square.

Epstein killed himself.

Quoted:
So I took the kids to a park (remote & quiet) to get some autumn photos when I see our assistant pastor sitting alone in his minivan.

I wanted privacy so we avoided contact with preacher man... Then along comes my buddy's wife and she plops down in Bible boy's car after hugs and kisses.

I could see nasty stuff going on in the minivan.  Had the camera so I took some photos as they said their goodbyes. Just hugs and a kiss.

Normally I mind my own business but I think this guy is a total predator.  My Friend's wife has been going through major bout of post-partum and she's a total train wreck right now.  Clearly mentally fragile.

I've asked for a meeting with church leadership.  Not sure if I should tell my friend yet.  Having mixed feelings about not confronting them in the car...

Could use some advice here.

Quoted:
I am not reading 2 pages of shit.

Its not your business OP, butt out.

Maybe she likes dick from other sources, maybe her husband cant provide it.

Whatever the reason, butt out, its none of your business.

Quoted:


Probably just a goodbye peck on the cheek after getting some personal counsel on the wishes of our Lord Jesus.

There is no limit to the mental gymnastics some people will complete to live in denial land.

Joe Biden won fair and square.

Epstein killed himself.

Quoted:
You did well sir. I was concerned that this pastor was probably doing counseling with the troubled wife and family. He has unfortunately damaged many families in his desire for more power and sex. I hope your church leadership does the right thing and disciplines this wolf in sheep's clothing. Feel free to call if you need or want to talk.

Quoted:


I didn't give any "advice". Have you "accidentally" had sex with someone? Explain how that works.

Quoted:

I do but also have studied enough to know that through the centuries that interpolation was often in the margins of the scripture.

As I said before Jesus said he doesn’t judge her and I’d say that’s within his character given the circumstance with the woman at the well. But what he was stopping was her being stoned. That was the judgment. Her sin convicted her and he said go and sin no more. So should the pastor do, but also if we consider scripture infallible then we must heed the words of Paul as well, he must repent or be put out of the church. And he no longer meets the scriptural requirements of a teacher.

Quoted:
You don't loose your wife, you just loose your turn

Quoted:
Coincidentally, today is Reformation Day, when Luther posted his 95 Reeses.

Quoted:
Blackmailjust think of it as a Sin Tax.

$300 a month for one year or a one time payment of $2500.

Quoted:


Honest question here....
Is there no pathway for repentance, forgiveness, and reconcilation?  
Is this because he's proven untrustworthy for life, or because he's soiled the profession and the rest of those in the profession don't want to be tarred by his actions?

Personally, guy is dirtbag, and if ran out on a rail never to return, I'd not care.  But, I'm also not a pastor that works professionally with forgiveness.

Quoted:


There's absolutely a pathway to forgiveness and reconciliation (through repentance). Absolutely.

What there is not, is a path back into leadership. A leader who fails in such a spectacular way cannot be put in that position again. Leaders are to be 'above reproach' and 'blameless'.

You're observant if you note that Christianity 101 teaches that no man is truly either of those. We're all sinners. yes. But leadership in a church is reserved for those who have been tested and proved able to handle the responsibility. That doesn't mean that every sin boots you and slams the door on future leadership, but inappropriate behavior with a counselee, yeah, that ship has sailed forever.

Quoted:
My step mother was fucking the pastor while married to my dad.  Really broke his heart when it all came out.

Organized religion sucks.

Quoted:
It's apparently not very clear to you. Jesus is telling you directly to judge, and when you do so, make sure that you're not guilty of the same sin. Correct your own error first, then, then you can see clearly to correct your brothers error. But you darn better correct your brothers error in the end

Quoted:
Reality check

40% of men are predators
40% of woman are Sluts

work,church,bars! Doesnt matter really!

Quoted:
When I first got married, my wife to be was not Catholic but I was.  We went to the priest of the local church and inquired about a Catholic wedding, but I expected it to be a "no" unless she went through whatever steps were needed to properly convert.  To my surprise, the priest said that if we attended Sunday Mass between that date and the date of the planned wedding, that he would marry us in the church.  

I had gone through CCD most of my childhood, had been confirmed, the whole thing.  Turns out she didn't need to do that though.  Just start showing up to services.

So....we did that.  We also did the private meetings with the priest, took tests with multiple choice questions separately so that he could decide if we were a good match, etc.

Right before the wedding in one of the last meetings, he mentioned that another option would have been for us to make a one time donation to the church, in lieu of attending the services.  I was frankly fucking shocked.  So I followed up to make sure that I had understood correctly, that if we had donated enough money to the church, that we would not to have had to come to all the services every week, and he would have married us in the church because of that donation.

He confirmed that that was the case.  My faith in the church began it's death that day.  I can only speak for that particular Catholic church, but it was sale.

Quoted:
Can someone please update the thread with a short list of the details thus far. I can't read 10 pages of a dr. Zeus book let alone 10 pages *of GD.

Quoted:


Holy shit, I just did that on this page

Quoted:


What part of that is out of context?

It’s pretty clear to me what Jesus was teaching us.
None of us are without sin. Is her sin greater than yours?

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/436951/Screenshot_20211031-121045_King_James_Bi-2149893.jpg