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Posted: 10/23/2021 2:00:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: The Olmec stone carvings definitely show Asian features https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Olmec_Head%2C_Mexico%2C_c._1960.jpg Quoted: That is the place I was reading about. It's in Colombia, and there are asian looking statues further north, as well. Just looking at the construction of the huge structures in south america should be a clue that civilizations were pretty highly advanced. What happened to the people and knowledge is anyone's guess. Global or regional pandemic, wars, droughts, or any number of things. Think about where you live, and consider what would be left after 1k years of mother nature. There would not be much here, or in most places. Humans are good at three things, over complicating everything eventually, arrogance, and killing each other off. Hrm I wonder what indigenous people of those areas look like. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 6:23:45 PM EDT
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I always thought the Solutrean stone points and the Clovis stone points were too similar to not be related.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:05:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They did the voyage on Longboats across the ocean too, not huge caravels like Columbus had. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C1CF/production/_115751694_noroseberggetty-115751693.jpg.jpg Huge caravels??? You REALLY need to look that up. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:25:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huge caravels??? You REALLY need to look that up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They did the voyage on Longboats across the ocean too, not huge caravels like Columbus had. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C1CF/production/_115751694_noroseberggetty-115751693.jpg.jpg Huge caravels??? You REALLY need to look that up. Years ago they had scale reproductions of the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria sailing around. I saw them, and went on them. They're not big at all. They sailed them over from Spain. Talking to the crew, it was pretty sporty. They had to make a ton of repairs after the crossing. |
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Posted: 10/31/2021 10:42:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/1/2021 12:01:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huge caravels??? You REALLY need to look that up. Yep, they weren't too much bigger than some longships. Some Scandinavian King around the time of Columbus had a ship called the Gribshunden which was probably better than anything the Spanish navy had. But it burned and sank. Carracks, the precursors to galleons were bigger. But still not exactly something that any sane man would want to attempt an ocean crossing with nowadays. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 4:42:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a fascinating book showing Chinese influence in South America. Can't remember the name but yeah, basically the local's pottery skills went up overnight the same time there was some huge Chinese fleet sailing around, same thing with a couple other technologies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The...Chinese? I guess if you go buy the land bridge theory, but not any "modern" Chinese within the last 1000 years. They were nomads at that point, not a country or even a cohesive people. I don't think they had an blue water boats in the feudal age either iirc. I guess they could have traced the coast up siberia into alaska and down the coast of NA, but... There's a fascinating book showing Chinese influence in South America. Can't remember the name but yeah, basically the local's pottery skills went up overnight the same time there was some huge Chinese fleet sailing around, same thing with a couple other technologies. Book is 1421. Chickens are in south america thanks to chinese sailors. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 4:44:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some even believe the Phoenicians made it to the Americas too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have long believed that both the Vikings and the Chinese were in the New World before Columbus. However, neither had a lasting impact and the Chinese came and departed. The Vikings stayed and vanished (assimilated or went home to Greenland/Scandinavia?). Anyway it was Columbus who made a permanent impact on the New World. Some even believe the Phoenicians made it to the Americas too. The phoenicians were sailing from portugal as early as 1200 bc. Egyptian mummies had new world cocaine and tobacco in their bodies at death. Global commerce is old as shit. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 5:23:23 AM EDT
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Interesting
I wonder if the Vikings brought diseases with them that had an initial impact on Native American populations long before the later European arrivals. There has been some speculation that Native American populations were in the many millions of people before European diseases wiped out a good chunk of their population, and that process may have started with these early settlements |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 5:34:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting I wonder if the Vikings brought diseases with them that had an initial impact on Native American populations long before the later European arrivals. There has been some speculation that Native American populations were in the many millions of people before European diseases wiped out a good chunk of their population, and that process may have started with these early settlements The Amazon basin had a population of millions and a lot of deforestation then the population died off. There's evidence been discovered lately that the dieoff happened a good bit before Columbus. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 7:16:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would only happen if the Vikings were black. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Should probably do both. Would only happen if the Vikings were black. Obviously you haven't read the new history. Everybody that ever did anything was black. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 7:36:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Egyptian mummies had new world cocaine and tobacco in their bodies at death. "After these experiments, even assuming that cocaine was actually found on mummies, it is possible that this could be contamination which occurred after the discovery of the mummies.[7] The same argument can be applied to nicotine but, in addition, various plants other than tobacco are a source of nicotine and two of these, Withania somnifera and Apium graveolens, were known and used by ancient Egyptians.[7] Sources of nicotine other than tobacco and sources of cocaine in the Old World are discussed by the British biologist Duncan Edlin." |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 7:50:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The...Chinese? I guess if you go buy the land bridge theory, but not any "modern" Chinese within the last 1000 years. They were nomads at that point, not a country or even a cohesive people. I don't think they had an blue water boats in the feudal age either iirc. I guess they could have traced the coast up siberia into alaska and down the coast of NA, but... Maybe they copied the Viking Longboats? They could have stolen the blueprints… TC P.S.—Celebrating the original White Supremacist Oppressors! 
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Posted: 11/1/2021 8:15:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Irish fished the east coast for a long time. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 8:20:04 AM EDT
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And they were all powerful, strong black bald lesbians, except for the men, who did all the cooking, cleaning, and breastfeeding.
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Posted: 11/1/2021 8:23:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Amazon basin had a population of millions and a lot of deforestation then the population died off. There's evidence been discovered lately that the dieoff happened a good bit before Columbus. China is asshole? |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 8:29:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting I wonder if the Vikings brought diseases with them that had an initial impact on Native American populations long before the later European arrivals. There has been some speculation that Native American populations were in the many millions of people before European diseases wiped out a good chunk of their population, and that process may have started with these early settlements Vikings were a superstitious bunch and extremely clean compared to other europeans. Unlike depicted in the 13th warrior, they bathed regularly. They knew how disease could decimate a village and took huge precautions. The English on the other hand? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 2:50:32 PM EDT
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@GonvilleBromhead
Quote HistoryGonvilleBromhead: Thank you for the first link... lots of rabbit holes to be explored! You are welcome. Archeogenetics has uncovered some fascinating information about the ancestry of Precolumbian American peoples. For example, the research has revealed shared ancestry from the Ancient North Eurasians between the Europeans and Precolumbian Americans. The Ancient North Eurasians descended from Ancient North Siberians that lived in far northeastern Siberia. Those people are an extinct race that was intermediary between East Asians and West Eurasians, and seemed to have had some phenotypical features similar to Europeans. However that is still a tenuous assertion at this point until more skeletal and genetic remains can be analyzed. |
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