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If you're looking for confirmation bias from these experiments, where intelligent beings designed the conditions and introduced various types of single-celled organisms into the test parameters to see if simple organisms were affected by the presence of predatory organisms, what theory are you looking to confirm? View Quote |
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage?
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. View Quote |
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^^^^ And that's how you do it. If you're gonna have doubts, at least do it in an intelligent manner. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That's a somewhat extraordinary claim. I'm going to need: 1) Replication of the results from independent researchers. 2) Genetic analysis of the populations before and after the change to multi-cellular occurred. Did genetic mutation occur, or did the stresses merely activate existing genetic features not normally expressed? Science is supposed to be testable, so test these results further. Pretty cool though. When we can create unique lifeforms from scratch it will be a milestone of human achievement... and possibly our last if we aren't careful. |
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. |
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Talk about confirmation bias?
When all you have to go on is "This book is true because it says so right here on this page in this paragraph" then you don't really have much to go on. The evidence for creation is one book of fairy tales. The evidence for evolution will fill several very large libraries. I know which seems far more credible to me. The problem with some people is that they refuse to believe in something that they can't personally comprehend. This is where flat earthers and moon truthers and some strains of conspiracy nuts come from. Evolution is a very complex subject. To fully understand all the evidence for it you'd have to be quite well educated. Interestingly, those who have an extensive science based education almost NEVER side with creationism. |
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First NASA, now two universities.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/NASA-was-able-to-recreate-the-origins-of-life-and-the-results-are-shocking/5-2197688/?page=1 Both known for participation in the global warming hoax, are now trying to claim evolution? On the same day the senate fails to block infanticide? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-to-vote-on-born-alive-bill-to-protect-infants-who-survive-a-failed-abortion Idk. cell crap is over my head, but this smells swampy. |
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. View Quote |
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So in other words, they clumped together to avoid predation? And this is supposedly new?
And this "multicellular organism" they found, does it function as a single unit? Or is it just a clump of cells which are less susceptible to phagocytosis? This is what you would call a "sensationalist" headline. We've known for decades that many species of microorganisms can do this when stressed, but I guess if you call it "evolution in action" it gets more clicks nowadays. |
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That used to be called academic rigor. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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God did it. He looked down into that test tube and wanted to save some of the single celled creatures. So he said, "let them be multi-celled so as to defeateth thy single celled enemies." And it was so. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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BULLSHIT! And it was so. And then, after another 600 million years it evolved into a monkey's testicle. And then it was so.. |
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I had been planning on going back to school nest year to get my MA in history just for my own edification, but I'm really considering getting a BS/MS in biology just because I'm fascinated by this stuff. View Quote MA in history is fun and interesting but the utility is marginal unless you are an educator. Studying Life sciences will be a cool and fascinating adventure with more practical applications. ETA: Even if for your own edification, I would probably choose the more versatile course of study. Just in case. |
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In other words," Let Them multiply and divide." And then, after another 600 million years it evolved into a monkey's testicle. And then it was so.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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BULLSHIT! And it was so. And then, after another 600 million years it evolved into a monkey's testicle. And then it was so.. |
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Typically, isolated pockets of a species experience strong enough selection pressure to evolve into something else. Not the species as a whole. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). |
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Quoted: There is no record in the fossils to show a species evolving into something else. Stuff just appears. Suddenly cells. Suddenly a turtle. Suddenly a shark. Suddenly a dinosaur. That's why Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory. It's literally the theory of "shit, we can't find gradually evolution, let's say it happened so radically fast, and in such a small amount that we just can't find it." (High fives all around.) I enjoy the fight between the gradualists and the punctuationists. Like two computers arguing about when they gradually formed from bits and parts, or just popped up, suddenly a disc-try, suddenly a hard-drive, suddenly a working computer network. Hazzah. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). View Quote So much in fact we know WAY more about evolution than we do gravity. But here is a direct refute to your point and fossils are only a small part of the evidence we have for evolution. The DNA is a slam-dunk. https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaenamontanari/2015/11/17/four-famous-transitional-fossils-that-support-evolution/#1b920d152d8d |
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You can watch evolution in 2 minutes right here.
The Evolution of Bacteria on a “Mega-Plate” Petri Dish (Kishony Lab) |
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I'd need to see evidence that the capability to form a multicellular unit wasn't already present the the algal genome before I'll buy this researcher witnessing the evolution of that capability in vitro in real time.
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"In science, contradictory evidence makes one question the theory. In religion, contradictory evidence makes one question the evidence" ~Floyd Toole.
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I wonder if ANY of the “nuh uh, god did it!” brigade read the article.
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There is no record in the fossils to show a species evolving into something else. Stuff just appears. Suddenly cells. Suddenly a turtle. Suddenly a shark. Suddenly a dinosaur. That's why Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory. It's literally the theory of "shit, we can't find gradually evolution, let's say it happened so radically fast, and in such a small amount that we just can't find it." (High fives all around.) I enjoy the fight between the gradualists and the punctuationists. Like two computers arguing about when they gradually formed from bits and parts, or just popped up, suddenly a disc-try, suddenly a hard-drive, suddenly a working computer network. Hazzah. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). |
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Quoted: There is no record in the fossils to show a species evolving into something else. Stuff just appears. Suddenly cells. Suddenly a turtle. Suddenly a shark. Suddenly a dinosaur. That's why Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory. It's literally the theory of "shit, we can't find gradually evolution, let's say it happened so radically fast, and in such a small amount that we just can't find it." (High fives all around.) I enjoy the fight between the gradualists and the punctuationists. Like two computers arguing about when they gradually formed from bits and parts, or just popped up, suddenly a disc-try, suddenly a hard-drive, suddenly a working computer network. Hazzah. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). View Quote It's anything but that. Rational estimates indicate that the conditions for fossil formation to BEGIN at any given point on earth occur only one day in 60,000 years. If you want to make a movie, that's a hell of a long time between frames. It's not going to show smooth motion and you're going to miss a great deal between frames. Trusting creation science is easy because it eliminates any need for you to apply your god-given brain to the problem. "HE did it! Now I don't have to study werdz no morez!" What a weak copout. Evidence of evolution is EVERYWHERE around us. Evidence of creation is in ONE book that declares itself to be the sole repository of truth. |
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A casual MS in Biology just because? That's...impressive. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I had been planning on going back to school nest year to get my MA in history just for my own edification, but I'm really considering getting a BS/MS in biology just because I'm fascinated by this stuff. Is this s&g pursuit a free ride, or will student loans be involved? |
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Yeah- I'm not to sure on this one and going to call BS. This just look like the cells grouped together and there has been 0 change in heritable traits at all. Therefore no evolution has taken place.
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That's a somewhat extraordinary claim. I'm going to need: 1) Replication of the results from independent researchers. 2) Genetic analysis of the populations before and after the change to multi-cellular took place. Did genetic mutation occur, or did the stresses merely activate existing genetic features not normally expressed? View Quote |
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Talk about confirmation bias? When all you have to go on is "This book is true because it says so right here on this page in this paragraph" then you don't really have much to go on. The evidence for creation is one book of fairy tales. The evidence for evolution will fill several very large libraries. I know which seems far more credible to me. The problem with some people is that they refuse to believe in something that they can't personally comprehend. This is where flat earthers and moon truthers and some strains of conspiracy nuts come from. Evolution is a very complex subject. To fully understand all the evidence for it you'd have to be quite well educated. Interestingly, those who have an extensive science based education almost NEVER side with creationism. View Quote https://www.reasons.org/ |
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The term is called "professional student", IIRC. Is this s&g pursuit a free ride, or will student loans be involved? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I had been planning on going back to school nest year to get my MA in history just for my own edification, but I'm really considering getting a BS/MS in biology just because I'm fascinated by this stuff. Is this s&g pursuit a free ride, or will student loans be involved? |
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I'm more interested in how things got from the first organic molecules to the first cell...
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So a living creature evolved into a more complex creature?
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The great failure in your thinking is that you assume the fossil record is continuous. It's anything but that. Rational estimates indicate that the conditions for fossil formation to BEGIN at any given point on earth occur only one day in 60,000 years. If you want to make a movie, that's a hell of a long time between frames. It's not going to show smooth motion and you're going to miss a great deal between frames. Trusting creation science is easy because it eliminates any need for you to apply your god-given brain to the problem. "HE did it! Now I don't have to study werdz no morez!" What a weak copout. Evidence of evolution is EVERYWHERE around us. Evidence of creation is in ONE book that declares itself to be the sole repository of truth. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: There is no record in the fossils to show a species evolving into something else. Stuff just appears. Suddenly cells. Suddenly a turtle. Suddenly a shark. Suddenly a dinosaur. That's why Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory. It's literally the theory of "shit, we can't find gradually evolution, let's say it happened so radically fast, and in such a small amount that we just can't find it." (High fives all around.) I enjoy the fight between the gradualists and the punctuationists. Like two computers arguing about when they gradually formed from bits and parts, or just popped up, suddenly a disc-try, suddenly a hard-drive, suddenly a working computer network. Hazzah. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). It's anything but that. Rational estimates indicate that the conditions for fossil formation to BEGIN at any given point on earth occur only one day in 60,000 years. If you want to make a movie, that's a hell of a long time between frames. It's not going to show smooth motion and you're going to miss a great deal between frames. Trusting creation science is easy because it eliminates any need for you to apply your god-given brain to the problem. "HE did it! Now I don't have to study werdz no morez!" What a weak copout. Evidence of evolution is EVERYWHERE around us. Evidence of creation is in ONE book that declares itself to be the sole repository of truth. But we can't stop looking and that's what makes science so neat. |
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There is no record in the fossils to show a species evolving into something else. Stuff just appears. Suddenly cells. Suddenly a turtle. Suddenly a shark. Suddenly a dinosaur. That's why Punctuated Equilibrium is a theory. It's literally the theory of "shit, we can't find gradually evolution, let's say it happened so radically fast, and in such a small amount that we just can't find it." (High fives all around.) I enjoy the fight between the gradualists and the punctuationists. Like two computers arguing about when they gradually formed from bits and parts, or just popped up, suddenly a disc-try, suddenly a hard-drive, suddenly a working computer network. Hazzah. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, my question is: why didn't Chlamydomonas reinhardtii evolve into a multicellular life form in nature? If - as the researchers claim - the multi-cellular version offers additional "protection from predation", wouldn't this have naturally occurred on its own, if it offered an evolutionary advantage? Sounds like they artificially induced a condition that does not occur naturally, and are using this to "demonstrate" a supposed evolutionary concept. The atheists think the Christians are the only ones with "fairy tales." I think they should be more honest with themselves. It goes against all logic from observation of the world, ourselves, and our own creations to believe Selection, a process that simply is the survival of what was already present, magical creative powers of creation, right down to the molecular level. It's like, let me take the words of a book and write a new book, as I have fewer and fewer words to select from...and this is how I explain having the book, and a whole library. Selection isn't going the direction Evolutionists think (or need). Only an infinitesimal fraction of life will ever become one. To expect to find a sample of every single species as it transitions into a different one over countless generations is to expect far too much. With the fossil record we have though some very logical conclusions can be drawn. |
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Atheist worship Darwin and Christopher Hitchens instead of Jesus.
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It's a dumbass word for dumbasses , I don't use it often unless I'm referring to dumbass-ists - sorry View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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It's always the same dumbass atheists vs the dumbass theists in these threads with a few insightful posts on each end.
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