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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:12:14 PM EDT
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You betcha.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:19:10 PM EDT
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Funny how their missiles and now this ship have "dong" as part of the name.
Would be funny to live in Shandong and then visit the US and have people laugh when you say where you are from. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:20:23 PM EDT
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Sounds like Taiwan need more:
Ship mounted anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles. Sea mines AWACS Air launched anti-ship missiles. Interceptor Aircraft Ground launched anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles. Or Just give them nukes. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:26:23 PM EDT
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Let's hope it works better for them than the Russians.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:30:59 PM EDT
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Have they figured out how to make the powerplant work in this one?
And it's still a shitty ski jump CV. Wake me up when they have CATOBAR and the training to use it effectively. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:32:05 PM EDT
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Looks like they copied the Russian design, still the wonky bow ramp.
If they didn't improve the power plant then they might as well just skip to the "set it on fire" phase. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:32:42 PM EDT
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Looks like they copied the Russian design, still the wonky bow ramp. If they didn't improve the power plant then they might as well just skip to the "set it on fire" phase. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:35:17 PM EDT
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I bet these stickers are all over the thing.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:38:11 PM EDT
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Sounds like Taiwan need more: Ship mounted anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles. Sea mines AWACS Air launched anti-ship missiles. Interceptor Aircraft Ground launched anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles. Or Just give them nukes. China has enabled THEIR proxy, North Korea, to have a nuclear capability. OUR proxies (Taiwan, South Korea, Japan) should have the same capability. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:39:41 PM EDT
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So this is another one of those ski-jump jobs?
Serious question: Why hasn't the US ever gone with the ski jump? |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:45:00 PM EDT
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So this is another one of those ski-jump jobs? Serious question: Why hasn't the US ever gone with the ski jump? |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:45:00 PM EDT
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Submarine targets...
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:45:18 PM EDT
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So this is another one of those ski-jump jobs? Serious question: Why hasn't the US ever gone with the ski jump? is an inferior option. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:45:40 PM EDT
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Have they gotten their first one working yet?
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:46:31 PM EDT
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So this is another one of those ski-jump jobs? Serious question: Why hasn't the US ever gone with the ski jump? |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:46:42 PM EDT
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So this is another one of those ski-jump jobs? Serious question: Why hasn't the US ever gone with the ski jump? |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:57:38 PM EDT
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Have they figured out how to make the powerplant work in this one? And it's still a shitty ski jump CV. Wake me up when they have CATOBAR and the training to use it effectively. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 1:57:50 PM EDT
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Submarine targets... |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:00:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My first thought. Unless they have a good entourage with great ears, they are easy pick'ns. I would like to see that ship in open stormy seas running short of surprise, I mean supplies. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:06:37 PM EDT
[#20]
Neat.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:06:39 PM EDT
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So this is another one of those ski-jump jobs? Serious question: Why hasn't the US ever gone with the ski jump? Ski jumps exist because they're cheap. That's it. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:07:24 PM EDT
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It will have plenty of company.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:08:05 PM EDT
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Nukes is the correct answer. China has enabled THEIR proxy, North Korea, to have a nuclear capability. OUR proxies (Taiwan, South Korea, Japan) should have the same capability. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:09:33 PM EDT
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Can we get a Harpoon patch to include Taiwan?
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:11:20 PM EDT
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So this is another one of those ski-jump jobs? Serious question: Why hasn't the US ever gone with the ski jump? |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:12:20 PM EDT
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Funny how their missiles and now this ship have "dong" as part of the name. Would be funny to live in Shandong and then visit the US and have people laugh when you say where you are from. 
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:13:12 PM EDT
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Wonder if Russia will sell their last carrier to China. Maybe up for sale...slightly used.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:13:25 PM EDT
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Whole thing probably smells like Harbor Freight.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:24:15 PM EDT
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No catapult, no care
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:28:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:39:26 PM EDT
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Let's hope it works better for them than the Russians. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:58:12 PM EDT
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Looks like they copied the Russian design, still the wonky bow ramp. If they didn't improve the power plant then they might as well just skip to the "set it on fire" phase. The new one is the same design, but higher quality. This one is likely to just be used for training as well. In theory, the next one is going to be an actual deployable combat ship. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 2:59:41 PM EDT
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Wonder if Russia will sell their last carrier to China. Maybe up for sale...slightly used. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:01:52 PM EDT
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Does it have a made in China sticker on it though?
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:02:22 PM EDT
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Can they even drive it? I mean most Navies have been driving ships in combat for quite a few years. China doesnt have a long Naval history driving big ships.
Sure they can build stuff but most of it is crap. If they have to push those ships hard, how long are they going to even hold up? |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:05:25 PM EDT
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Can they even drive it? I mean most Navies have been driving ships in combat for quite a few years. China doesnt have a long Naval history driving big ships. Sure they can build stuff but most of it is crap. If they have to push those ships hard, how long are they going to even hold up? |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:07:22 PM EDT
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Didn't Congress just authorize 6 more Virginia class submarines?
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:09:12 PM EDT
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I thought carriers were rendered obsolete by cheap hypervelocity ASM's.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:11:49 PM EDT
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The next one reportedly has catapults. They bought the HMAS Melbourne for scrapping in 1985 and finally got around to it sometime in 2000, after giving it a good going over. The Aussies reportedly left all the flight ops equipment in place. Allegedly some ChiCom pilots got some training on a land-based mock-up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have they figured out how to make the powerplant work in this one? And it's still a shitty ski jump CV. Wake me up when they have CATOBAR and the training to use it effectively. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:12:32 PM EDT
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The next one reportedly has catapults. They bought the HMAS Melbourne for scrapping in 1985 and finally got around to it sometime in 2000, after giving it a good going over. The Aussies reportedly left all the flight ops equipment in place. Allegedly some ChiCom pilots got some training on a land-based mock-up. ETA: these are training carriers. They are training the first cadre of aviators,maintainers,launch and recovery personnel as well as establishing doctrine. They will have carriers comparable to France,at least,soon. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:13:09 PM EDT
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Have they gotten their first one working yet? Laugh all you want, but ten or fifteen years from now they're going to have one or two good carriers, which will be about half of what we will have by then. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:13:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Looks like they copied the Russian design, still the wonky bow ramp. If they didn't improve the power plant then they might as well just skip to the "set it on fire" phase. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:21:22 PM EDT
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Because it's garbage. Severely reduced fuel/payload capacity on takeoff, limits what missions you can do. Ski jumps exist because they're cheap. That's it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So this is another one of those ski-jump jobs? Serious question: Why hasn't the US ever gone with the ski jump? Ski jumps exist because they're cheap. That's it. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:25:00 PM EDT
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China's second aircraft carrier entered service on Tuesday, adding major firepower to its military ambitions as it faces tensions with self-ruled Taiwan as well as the U.S. and regional neighbors around the disputed South China Sea.
The commissioning of the warship, named the Shandong, puts China in a small club of nations with multiple aircraft carriers, and the country is reportedly building a third. China's first domestically built carrier was delivered to the People's Liberation Army navy in Sanya, on the southern island of Hainan, at a ceremony attended by President Xi Jinping, state media said. China has one other carrier -- the Liaoning -- a repurposed Soviet vessel bought from Ukraine that went into service in 2012.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:26:58 PM EDT
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The one they bought from Russia was a total POS, and they basically got scammed. They figured it out and the Russki one is just used for training (and, I suspect, barely that). The new one is the same design, but higher quality. This one is likely to just be used for training as well. In theory, the next one is going to be an actual deployable combat ship. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:29:00 PM EDT
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Because they suck. We figured out in the 40's that catapults allowed heavier takeoff weights which helps in tons of ways. We didn't need to worry about how much money we'd save by having a carrier with short range aircraft. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:48:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still, I wonder why they didn't put one on the America class LHA's. Wouldn't a ski jump let you launch heavier than going straight up off the deck in VTOL mode?  F-35 Short Takeoff & Vertical Landings - Awesome Views |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:52:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: Still, I wonder why they didn't put one on the America class LHA's. Wouldn't a ski jump let you launch heavier than going straight up off the deck in VTOL mode?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO5mZxaiyUQ |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:11:11 PM EDT
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Have they figured out how to make the powerplant work in this one? And it's still a shitty ski jump CV. Wake me up when they have CATOBAR and the training to use it effectively. Quoted:
The next one reportedly has catapults. They bought the HMAS Melbourne for scrapping in 1985 and finally got around to it sometime in 2000, after giving it a good going over. The Aussies reportedly left all the flight ops equipment in place. Allegedly some ChiCom pilots got some training on a land-based mock-up. From 2018: China's Next Aircraft Carrier Will Be a Massive Leap Forward From 2017: Analysis: Chinese aircraft carrier program progressing substantially into the new year -------------------- The limitations of STOBAR have prompted China to continuing to pursue the development of catapults for launching its carrier-based aircraft. Satellite photos of the air base at Huludao show that China has constructed two parallel catapults, and analysts tell Defense News that it appears one of the catapults is an Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System while the other is a conventional steam catapult, based on satellite photos of the inside of the catapults during construction. Construction of the catapults was completed sometime between June and October 2016, with a satellite photo published by DigitalGlobe in mid-October showing a J-15 preparing to line up on one of the catapults. A photo of a PLAN J-15 with what appears to be a catapult launch bar on its nose wheel — used to couple the aircraft to the catapult of the carrier during the launch sequence — had surfaced the month before, adding further weight to the evidence that PLAN intends to switch to catapult-assisted takeoff but arrested recovery (CATOBAR) aircraft operations onboard its future carriers. /arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/X6LWE5LOU5BJBIZ7HAIABEBBOU.jpg)
China has built two land-based catapult systems at a PLAN base near Huludao, Liaoning province. It is believed they became operational by October 2016. The construction of both types of catapults at Huludao suggests that China is exploring both technologies and has yet to decide on which type of catapult it will install on its future carriers. Chinese state media reported in 2014 that the country had reverse-engineered a land-based replica of the steam catapult and landing system from the Australian aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne, which had been sold for scrap to a Chinese company in 1985. Rear Adm. Song Xue, then-deputy chief of staff of the PLAN, had already confirmed as far back as 2013 that China would build more carriers that would be larger and with more aircraft-carrying capacity than the Liaoning. The first of these carriers, tentatively designated the Type 002, is expected to be able to conduct CATOBAR operations. 
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:16:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The point is wouldnt going off a ski jump allow a heavier takeoff weight than a straight rolling take off? |
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