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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:39:43 PM EDT
The original is still one of my favorite TV series with Richard Chamberlain.
But this looks pretty good, I have to say:  Shogun - Official Trailer | Hiroyuki Sanada, Cosmo Jarvis, Anna Sawai | FX |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:41:07 PM EDT
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Female samurai?
It's been a minute since I saw the last one but I don't remember that. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:43:50 PM EDT
[#2]
Looks pretty good
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:44:52 PM EDT
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Forgot to ask my Mom her thoughts on this
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:47:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:48:42 PM EDT
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Looks pretty damn good! Will definitely check it out. Was a huge fan of the original series and book.
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:49:41 PM EDT
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I'll give it a watch.
What I'd really like is a high production value Tai-Pan. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:52:20 PM EDT
[#7]
Another un-needed remake
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:52:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: The original is still one of my favorite TV series with Richard Chamberlain. But this looks pretty good, I have to say:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAN5uspO_hkNot if it’s … WOKE Shogun. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:52:50 PM EDT
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Here's hoping they don't F it up.
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:55:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not if it's WOKE Shogun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The original is still one of my favorite TV series with Richard Chamberlain. But this looks pretty good, I have to say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAN5uspO_hkNot if it's WOKE Shogun. Put a chick it in and make her gay? Please don't. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 8:00:17 PM EDT
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I saw the trailer and can’t decide if the girl power in the trailer is for Marketing or if the whole story has been revised.
I am guessing that it’s going to be a wokefest. White guy, Anjin-San, the ships pilot is on screen for MAYBE 3 seconds. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 8:00:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Female samurai? It's been a minute since I saw the last one but I don't remember that. Onna mushas where a thing if a bit rare, often used Naginatas. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 8:03:41 PM EDT
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Anjin-san to be played by Will Smith.
The title will be changes to Shonuff. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 8:05:17 PM EDT
[#14]
Ujio from the Last Samurai. He was a great character in that.
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Posted: 11/8/2023 8:08:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Female samurai? It's been a minute since I saw the last one but I don't remember that. Samurai was a caste. The women stayed at home but still knew how to wield a blade. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:25:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll give it a watch. What I'd really like is a high production value Tai-Pan.  |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 11:07:43 PM EDT
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This looks like shit.
Mariko was not a fucking Ninja, she was samurai. From the clip they are portraying her as some kind of Disney-esque strong powerful woman in an overt way. That is not who she was. The book was more about how quietly strong Mariko was, using her wits and guile to make things happen. This 10 pounds of shit in a 10 ounce bag is going to shit all over the original, and the book. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 11:11:09 PM EDT
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She’s the bestest evar!
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Posted: 11/8/2023 11:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Female samurai? It's been a minute since I saw the last one but I don't remember that. Women were samurai. If your parents were samurai, you were samurai. Some women were more war like, but most samurai women had rudimentary weapons training. They all carried knives in their obi for emergencies, like having to kill themselves to avoid capture, etc. Samurai women were taught to cut their own throats. A prime example of a samurai woman using weapons in Shogun was Fujiko using Anjin-SAN’s pistols to protect him against Buntaro, who was threatening her Master and their house. She also had a sword ready at one time as well to back him up. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:22:31 AM EDT
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Please Please someone tell me where I can stream the original Shogun
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Posted: 11/9/2023 7:24:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please Please someone tell me where I can stream the original Shogun Used to be on youtube IIRC. Maybe taken down now that there will be more interest in it though. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 7:29:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This looks like shit. Mariko was not a fucking Ninja, she was samurai. From the clip they are portraying her as some kind of Disney-esque strong powerful woman in an overt way. That is not who she was. The book was more about how quietly strong Mariko was, using her wits and guile to make things happen. This 10 pounds of shit in a 10 ounce bag is going to shit all over the original, and the book. QFT, modern media fucking up everything they touch. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 7:37:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Female samurai? It's been a minute since I saw the last one but I don't remember that. You should read the book. That chick pulls two flint lock pistols and basically holds a Mexican stand off for her master, gets busy with the main character in a threesome and carries his swords for him and uses them a few times. The book is fantastic. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 8:16:39 AM EDT
[#24]
I have no way of watching it but I still have a collector’s box set on VHS.
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Posted: 11/9/2023 8:25:33 AM EDT
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Funnily enough I just saw the old Shogun for the first time this summer. Someone told me about it and I tracked down the Blu-ray and watched it through over three nights. It was fucking awesome.
I bet you this version though won't have Anjin-san exclaiming, "What do you take me for, some kind of God-cursed Sodomite?!" 
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Posted: 11/9/2023 8:40:27 AM EDT
[#26]
Didn’t Chamberlin come out as a God cursed Sodomite IRL?
Optimistic this stays true to the book, but we shall see. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 8:43:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw the trailer and can’t decide if the girl power in the trailer is for Marketing or if the whole story has been revised. I am guessing that it’s going to be a wokefest. White guy, Anjin-San, the ships pilot is on screen for MAYBE 3 seconds. It IS Disney+ after all. I guess I won't be watching. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 8:49:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funnily enough I just saw the old Shogun for the first time this summer. Someone told me about it and I tracked down the Blu-ray and watched it through over three nights. It was fucking awesome. I bet you this version though won't have Anjin-san exclaiming, "What do you take me for, some kind of God-cursed Sodomite?!" They should have just given him the duck, to see what would happen... |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 8:54:17 AM EDT
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"Put a gay chick in it and make her gay ... and lame"
 Put a chick in it and make her gay (4k ultra HD) |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 9:04:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Female samurai? It's been a minute since I saw the last one but I don't remember that. Women were samurai. They didn't train with swords, though, but sometimes with spears for household defense. Per the book, anyway. At least one had to pick up a sword and didn't fare too well. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 9:14:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Female samurai? It's been a minute since I saw the last one but I don't remember that. For fuck’s sake, Mariko-sama is the 2nd “largest” character in the book. On top of that, there is a ninja scene in the book. There are scenes in the book where Mariko and hangers on are caught in the castle and fight their enemy. At one point, she stalks toward opposing samurai who are ready to kill her and her entourage. Hell, before that, her entire entourage ritually challenges their opponents in single combat until they’re all (or almost all) dead). At first glance, it certainly looks like it’s true to the book from what little I saw. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 9:15:47 AM EDT
[#32]
I’ll be watching that but the greater question is Mariko or Fujiko?
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Posted: 11/9/2023 9:18:05 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll be watching that but the greater question is Mariko or Fujiko? Both, at the same time. 
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Posted: 11/9/2023 9:19:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This looks like shit. Mariko was not a fucking Ninja, she was samurai. From the clip they are portraying her as some kind of Disney-esque strong powerful woman in an overt way. That is not who she was. The book was more about how quietly strong Mariko was, using her wits and guile to make things happen. This 10 pounds of shit in a 10 ounce bag is going to shit all over the original, and the book. It’s been around 35 years since I read that book. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 9:20:42 AM EDT
[#35]
As far as the woke screwing it up? I don’t think it will be any worse that Tom Cruise’s samurai movie.
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Posted: 11/9/2023 9:23:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should read the book. That chick pulls two flint lock pistols and basically holds a Mexican stand off for her master, gets busy with the main character in a threesome and carries his swords for him and uses them a few times. The book is fantastic.
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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please Please someone tell me where I can stream the original Shogun I bought it on DVD a few months ago. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:51:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What I'd really like is a high production value Tai-Pan. 
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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:54:30 PM EDT
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I will be watching. I will be interested to see this generation’s interpretation of the book.
I generally reread the novel yearly as James Clavell is my favorite author. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:55:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Female samurai? It's been a minute since I saw the last one but I don't remember that. Onna-musha They couldn't wear swords. But spears and Naginatas were OK. Swords are symbolic code in their premodern society. As well as weapons. It is blatant messaging. A warning and a threat. ETA: The two swords. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:59:41 PM EDT
[#41]
Kathleen Kennedy approved?
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Posted: 11/9/2023 5:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For fuck’s sake, Mariko-sama is the 2nd “largest” character in the book. On top of that, there is a ninja scene in the book. There are scenes in the book where Mariko and hangers on are caught in the castle and fight their enemy. At one point, she stalks toward opposing samurai who are ready to kill her and her entourage. Hell, before that, her entire entourage ritually challenges their opponents in single combat until they’re all (or almost all) dead). At first glance, it certainly looks like it’s true to the book from what little I saw. I am by no means an expert on the book, but I have read it well over 20 times. 7 times back to back because I was in a desert for months and had no other book… The part where she moved toward the samurai was after her guards were killed and she was the last one left. She picked up a sword so she could be killed rather than taken prisoner. She then said she could not live with the shame and attempted seppuko. After she didn’t complete the act they secured her and others in a wing of the castle, and that night the ninja came. By no means was she good with a sword, but she tried. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 5:03:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Female samurai? It's been a minute since I saw the last one but I don't remember that. Blackthorns chick was Samurai. All the women in it were that werent servants. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 5:05:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Used to be on youtube IIRC. Maybe taken down now that there will be more interest in it though. IIRC the original was many hours long but they made a bridged version that was like 2 hours. You can I think buy that.. but I wouldnt as the 2 hour version is so chopped like Yabu Sama... |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 5:14:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That chick pulls two flint lock pistols and basically holds a Mexican stand off for her master, gets busy with the main character in a threesome and carries his swords for him and uses them a few times. . Decapitates the help, too. Then is like, 
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Posted: 11/9/2023 8:30:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Decapitates the help, too. Then is like, https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/28/was-that-wrong-gif.gif Ueki-ya sama |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 4:05:51 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Used to be on youtube IIRC. Maybe taken down now that there will be more interest in it though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Used to be on youtube IIRC. Maybe taken down now that there will be more interest in it though. Thank you Quoted: I bought it on DVD a few months ago. Thank you. Off to search again. ETA To be completely honest I never once thought of it being on DVD as I was looking to stream it. Well duh is me at times. Shogun Blu-ray is onits way Thank you all |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 4:54:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anjin-san to be played by Will Smith. The title will be changes to Shonuff. Will it be set in Harlem instead of Japan? |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 5:50:03 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will it be set in Harlem instead of Japan? |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 5:55:43 AM EDT
[#50]
So there seems to be a bad ass sword master female who at one point faces off 5 plus soldiers alone.
I don’t remember that from the one I watched before. Don’t recognise the lead guy actually as he’s only in the trailer a few seconds he might be 4th lead in his own show |
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