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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:44:28 PM EDT
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That shit goes out of the window when gunshots are being fired at that rate. hide behind hostages all you want, I call cowardice! Lord, the stupid. 
First you accuse them of assisting in the murders, now you call them cowards. Could you make up your mind please? While you are at it, which gay bar are you going to stand guard at to show your solidarity? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:44:32 PM EDT
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I trust CNN reporting 100%. Every single thing they say is absolute fact.
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:44:38 PM EDT
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Did it become a hostage situation that quickly? I wonder how long it was from the time the Islamic terrorist entered the building and started shooting till he took hostages? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The initial officer in scene engaged in a gunfight with the suspect. The situation then went from an active shooter to a barricaded gunman. Once the active killing stops and hostages are taken it becomes a hostage rescue. I don't hate you for your rhetoric....you just don't understand contemporary police procedure. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Did it become a hostage situation that quickly? I wonder how long it was from the time the Islamic terrorist entered the building and started shooting till he took hostages? From what I understand hostages were sending text messages for quite some time. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:44:50 PM EDT
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The Hostage spin is BS. This would have been a very loud Hostage crisis, with lots of shooting inside. He must have spent and lot of time and ammunition to shoot 103 people. This is a spin to cover the lack of response by the Orlando PD. They need to be thrown under the bus. Not because they should want to get killed for relatively low wages, but because FL does not allow people to protect themselves in a bar, and the Police will not save them if they are in danger. FL needs to remove restrictions on CCW so people can defend themselves from terrorists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hostage situations are handled differently; situations where they suspect explosives are in play, the rules are changed dramatically. You don't know if they have just enough tannerite to spark and fizzle, or if they have enough semtex to level half a city block. This is a spin to cover the lack of response by the Orlando PD. They need to be thrown under the bus. Not because they should want to get killed for relatively low wages, but because FL does not allow people to protect themselves in a bar, and the Police will not save them if they are in danger. FL needs to remove restrictions on CCW so people can defend themselves from terrorists. Understandable. Problem is that it's near impossible to pass a law that the left will call "Returning to the wild west," with guns allowed in bars. And right or wrong, we aren't going to see the PD thrown under the bus. Not today. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kill all those that believe that idea. Come at me bro. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bill O'Reilly just nailed it. We need to declare war against global jihad and put this in the hands of the military. Then the rules change. You can't declare war on an idea. Kill all those that believe that idea. Come at me bro. If that was even logistically possible, it would just create new enemies. You'd end up pissing off more people than you set out to eliminate. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:45:02 PM EDT
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So can the military kill his Taliban sympathizer father in Afghanistan? Or is he in the US now?
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:45:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bill O'Reilly just nailed it. We need to declare war against global jihad and put this in the hands of the military. Then the rules change. and tomorrow he'll want guns banned Fuck Bill O'Reilly |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:45:27 PM EDT
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Footage from inside right when it happened. You can hear the shots at the end
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:45:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That shit goes out of the window when gunshots are being fired at that rate. hide behind hostages all you want, I call cowardice! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Maybe this is old news, but CNN says the guy showed up at the club 2:02 a.m., engaged in gunfire with three cops who were outside, and then he went in the club. The cops sat outside until they got their armored vehicles there and got enough personnel there. At 5 am the cops smashed in the door with their APC, and shot the guy in the doorway. Three hours to go in? When it changes from "active shooter" to "barricaded gunman with hostages," different tactics are called for. Hate me all you want for my rhetoric, but you cannot condone waiting outside, especially for the length of time they did. If the L.E. community want to dress up like the military, than they need to step up like the military. Many U.S. military openly engaged enemy combatants while being shot at, but Law Enforcement only plays dress up, and fucks up people when their authority is questioned without risk of life or limb. I'm pissed, 3 hours? That isn't the protocol because they are afraid to take the risk. It's the protocol because the goal is to minimize the threat to the hostages. Hostage rescue is not something that the average American SWAT team is going to excel at. If the guy was in there shooting the whole time, then they should have gone in immediately. Then become a cop and show us how it is done or STFU and stop basement chair quaterbacking. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:45:41 PM EDT
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103 targets is a shit ton for any shooter. I'd be willing to wager a Benjamin that this guy had at least one accomplice and the Feds are keeping it under wraps because he's still at large. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe this is old news, but CNN says the guy showed up at the club 2:02 a.m., engaged in gunfire with three cops who were outside, and then he went in the club. The cops sat outside until they got their armored vehicles there and got enough personnel there. At 5 am the cops smashed in the door with their APC, and shot the guy in the doorway. Three hours to go in? Also, this guy successfully took on 103 targets. So if they are calling this a hostage situation, if must have been very loud with lots of shooting from inside. How long was this guy shooting for ? 103 targets is a shit ton for any shooter. I'd be willing to wager a Benjamin that this guy had at least one accomplice and the Feds are keeping it under wraps because he's still at large. Nah. We'd see another Boston if there was a 2nd shooter. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:45:57 PM EDT
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That shit goes out of the window when gunshots are being fired at that rate. hide behind hostages all you want, I call cowardice! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe this is old news, but CNN says the guy showed up at the club 2:02 a.m., engaged in gunfire with three cops who were outside, and then he went in the club. The cops sat outside until they got their armored vehicles there and got enough personnel there. At 5 am the cops smashed in the door with their APC, and shot the guy in the doorway. Three hours to go in? When it changes from "active shooter" to "barricaded gunman with hostages," different tactics are called for. Hate me all you want for my rhetoric, but you cannot condone waiting outside, especially for the length of time they did. If the L.E. community want to dress up like the military, than they need to step up like the military. Many U.S. military openly engaged enemy combatants while being shot at, but Law Enforcement only plays dress up, and fucks up people when their authority is questioned without risk of life or limb. I'm pissed, 3 hours? That isn't the protocol because they are afraid to take the risk. It's the protocol because the goal is to minimize the threat to the hostages. Hostage rescue is not something that the average American SWAT team is going to excel at. If the guy was in there shooting the whole time, then they should have gone in immediately. Tell that to the guy that took one to the helmet. Must have been a ricochet that found him behind the staged Bear Cat. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:45:57 PM EDT
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I am not an expert but 103 people shot is an active shooter is not a hostage situation. Maybe I am wrong, I am not LE. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe this is old news, but CNN says the guy showed up at the club 2:02 a.m., engaged in gunfire with three cops who were outside, and then he went in the club. The cops sat outside until they got their armored vehicles there and got enough personnel there. At 5 am the cops smashed in the door with their APC, and shot the guy in the doorway. Three hours to go in? When it changes from "active shooter" to "barricaded gunman with hostages," different tactics are called for. Hate me all you want for my rhetoric, but you cannot condone waiting outside, especially for the length of time they did. If the L.E. community want to dress up like the military, than they need to step up like the military. Many U.S. military openly engaged enemy combatants while being shot at, but Law Enforcement only plays dress up, and fucks up people when their authority is questioned without risk of life or limb. I'm pissed, 3 hours? The initial officer in scene engaged in a gunfight with the suspect. The situation then went from an active shooter to a barricaded gunman. Once the active killing stops and hostages are taken it becomes a hostage rescue. I don't hate you for your rhetoric....you just don't understand contemporary police procedure. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I am not an expert but 103 people shot is an active shooter is not a hostage situation. Maybe I am wrong, I am not LE. From what I understand, there were IEDs placed either at the entrance or near the entrance that slowed the initial response. Very soon after that the shooting stopped and the shooter was on the phone negotiating with law enforcement. This was by no means a cut and dry situation as is being portrayed. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:46:05 PM EDT
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Why not just nuke it? Each terrorist attack = 1 nuke Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every C-17 we have should be chock full of pissed off paratroopers headed to the Middle East. It's time to put ISIS to sleep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Why not just nuke it? Each terrorist attack = 1 nuke Because their leadership is probably here in the US, or bordering areas. We will never be able to eradicate this. It's way to embedded now. Obama let them dig in, and Hillary wants to set it off. The only option now is to stay strapped and constantly blade at 45. Be weary of packed places. Thanks to progressive liberals, this is now life (instead of exploring new planets and innovating greatness). |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:46:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: please define the differences between islam and "global jihad" Having accomplished that, what, exactly, would you have the military do? Kill american citizens whose parents are from muslim countries? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bill O'Reilly just nailed it. We need to declare war against global jihad and put this in the hands of the military. Then the rules change. please define the differences between islam and "global jihad" Having accomplished that, what, exactly, would you have the military do? Kill american citizens whose parents are from muslim countries? Yep, we let bad people in a generation ago and it is bearing fruit. What do you think is going to happen a generation from now when the nearly a million Syrians we are letting in now have children? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:47:18 PM EDT
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Why not just nuke it? Each terrorist attack = 1 nuke Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every C-17 we have should be chock full of pissed off paratroopers headed to the Middle East. It's time to put ISIS to sleep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Why not just nuke it? Each terrorist attack = 1 nuke Cause we are the good guys. Nuking millions puts us on their level. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:48:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Footage from inside right when it happened. You can hear the shots at the end  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzG-Oak12lIFuck... Yeah if they didn't know what gun shots sounded like, that would be damn hard to differentiate that from loud music. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:49:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MSNBC speculating because the shooter went to a gym, it might have been roid rage. You can't make this shit up. Roid rage makes you call 911 and declare allegiance to isis? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:49:13 PM EDT
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So can the military kill his Taliban sympathizer father in Afghanistan? Or is he in the US now? I thought if you "pledged allegiance go a foreign power" you were considered a traitor to the USA and that it was a punishable offense? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:49:19 PM EDT
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No, no, no! Law Enforcement are paid to risk their lives, that is why killing one holds a higher penalty than that of a regular civilian. They allowed so many to die because they failed to do their core job, protect the innocent. The FBI is just as guilty as cowards that refused to go in, regardless of what L.E. & Badge Bunnies think. Who sits outside for hours while someone is continuously shooting unarmed citizens? Hate me all you want for my rhetoric, but you cannot condone waiting outside, especially for the length of time they did. If the L.E. community want to dress up like the military, than they need to step up like the military. Many U.S. military openly engaged enemy combatants while being shot at, but Law Enforcement only plays dress up, and fucks up people when their authority is questioned without risk of life or limb. I'm pissed, 3 hours?
You know when we mock libs for saying things like "the shoulder thing that goes up" and other things that clearly demonstrate their ignorance on a subject? This post is a lot like that. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:49:19 PM EDT
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Yep, we let bad people in a generation ago and it is bearing fruit. What do you think is going to happen a generation from now when the nearly a million Syrians we are letting in now have children? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bill O'Reilly just nailed it. We need to declare war against global jihad and put this in the hands of the military. Then the rules change. please define the differences between islam and "global jihad" Having accomplished that, what, exactly, would you have the military do? Kill american citizens whose parents are from muslim countries? Yep, we let bad people in a generation ago and it is bearing fruit. What do you think is going to happen a generation from now when the nearly a million Syrians we are letting in now have children? Ask Ted Kennedy. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:49:24 PM EDT
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Cause we are the good guys. Nuking millions puts us on their level. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every C-17 we have should be chock full of pissed off paratroopers headed to the Middle East. It's time to put ISIS to sleep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Why not just nuke it? Each terrorist attack = 1 nuke Cause we are the good guys. Nuking millions puts us on their level. No, it doesn't. It solves the problem. Islam is the problem. We need a solution. Working with them, tolerating them...paying them...doesn't work. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:49:34 PM EDT
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That video reminds me so much of the Eagles of Death Metal at the Bataclan.
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:49:52 PM EDT
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So please fact check this thus far. I have had a busy day with the family. So the latest on the shitbag in Orlando is that he was working, and therefore was vetted by a security firm, acting as a federal contractor moving Islamic refugees to assigned cities. And he legally bought the guns after not 1 but 2 investigations by the FBI. His dad runs a anti-American blog and YouTube channel. Therefore, he is basically obama's creation of jihad in the USA. The administration not only gave him a pass after touting being connected to Islamic extremism but allowing him to be in a perfect position to recruit "refugees" as they are transported around the nation in what can only be a sleeper cell positioning program paid for with your tax dollars. Fundamentally change the nation...
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:49:56 PM EDT
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please define the differences between islam and "global jihad" Having accomplished that, what, exactly, would you have the military do? Kill american citizens whose parents are from muslim countries? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bill O'Reilly just nailed it. We need to declare war against global jihad and put this in the hands of the military. Then the rules change. please define the differences between islam and "global jihad" Having accomplished that, what, exactly, would you have the military do? Kill american citizens whose parents are from muslim countries? I'm stuck in a hotel room and have it on for background noise. It was a sound bite circle jerk the gist of which was that civil liberties are in the way so declaring war will fix it. There was no real thought, intelligent or otherwise, involved in the discussion. If ponchsox is on board with the content of that exchange then he's a fool not worth arguing with. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:50:05 PM EDT
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That isn't the protocol because they are afraid to take the risk. It's the protocol because the goal is to minimize the threat to the hostages. Hostage rescue is not something that the average American SWAT team is going to excel at. If the guy was in there shooting the whole time, then they should have gone in immediately. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe this is old news, but CNN says the guy showed up at the club 2:02 a.m., engaged in gunfire with three cops who were outside, and then he went in the club. The cops sat outside until they got their armored vehicles there and got enough personnel there. At 5 am the cops smashed in the door with their APC, and shot the guy in the doorway. Three hours to go in? When it changes from "active shooter" to "barricaded gunman with hostages," different tactics are called for. Hate me all you want for my rhetoric, but you cannot condone waiting outside, especially for the length of time they did. If the L.E. community want to dress up like the military, than they need to step up like the military. Many U.S. military openly engaged enemy combatants while being shot at, but Law Enforcement only plays dress up, and fucks up people when their authority is questioned without risk of life or limb. I'm pissed, 3 hours? That isn't the protocol because they are afraid to take the risk. It's the protocol because the goal is to minimize the threat to the hostages. Hostage rescue is not something that the average American SWAT team is going to excel at. If the guy was in there shooting the whole time, then they should have gone in immediately. Wasn't it also that there was a possible concern about explosives? (Not sure if I heard that right or not - didn't have time to process through a bazillion news reports). If so, that's another "we better sit back and think about our tactics VERY carefully here" situation. It's an enormous tactical shit sandwich in any case, regardless. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:50:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm agnostic, so what. I have talked to Muslims, from many different backgrounds. Clearly, not all of them are the same. You're failing to comprehend that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65 No. A normal Islamic person does not accept gays. They do not accept Christianity. They believe all non-muslims are second class citizens or should be converted/killed. Islam is a cancer. A normal Christian doesn't accept gays. A normal Christian doesn't accept Islam. As to the last part, that is true in some parts of the Muslim world, especially in the Arab Muslim countries. But in countries like Malaysia, Iran, Turkey, Morocco, ect., people of other religions are left alone for the most part. (Though Iran does persecute Baha'is rather viciously). A normal Christian isn't going to kill a motherfucker over it. A normal Islamic person will or condone it. Do not try and compare an Islamic person to a christian person. Not all religions are created equally. Islam is governed by 3 books, and Ol' prophet Mohammad ensured that Jihad would be a normal thing. And not just some parts...all parts. Let an Islamic person tell you that I am wrong...they won't. Especially if they are in a group. Oh,by the way, I am an Atheist. I'm agnostic, so what. I have talked to Muslims, from many different backgrounds. Clearly, not all of them are the same. You're failing to comprehend that. You've "talked to them"? That's cute How many Muslim run countries have you been too? Cocksuckers who were on our side I had to live with for a fucking year told me they wanted to cut my head off for being a Jew but they were afraid of my other Marines reaction. Cocksuckers I trained in Morocco as well The ones "on our side" are just on taqqiya. You've got your head buried up your ass if you really think most muzzies are peaceful |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:50:35 PM EDT
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killing isis over there wont stop attacks here
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:51:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lord, the stupid. First you accuse them of assisting in the murders, now you call them cowards. Could you make up your mind please? While you are at it, which gay bar are you going to stand guard at to show your solidarity? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That shit goes out of the window when gunshots are being fired at that rate. hide behind hostages all you want, I call cowardice! Lord, the stupid. First you accuse them of assisting in the murders, now you call them cowards. Could you make up your mind please? While you are at it, which gay bar are you going to stand guard at to show your solidarity? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:51:16 PM EDT
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Bill O'Reilly just nailed it. We need to declare war against global jihad and put this in the hands of the military. Then the rules change. please define the differences between islam and "global jihad" Having accomplished that, what, exactly, would you have the military do? Kill american citizens whose parents are from muslim countries? Yep, we let bad people in a generation ago and it is bearing fruit. What do you think is going to happen a generation from now when the nearly a million Syrians we are letting in now have children? Ask TedKennedy. Asking Bobby would be more informative. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:51:21 PM EDT
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If trump was smart he would run this up the flag pole so hard and fast it would fly off the top. I recognize the political value of the moment, but for now, I just want to mourn those who passed away before their time. It is a national tragedy. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:51:56 PM EDT
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That shit goes out of the window when gunshots are being fired at that rate. hide behind hostages all you want, I call cowardice! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe this is old news, but CNN says the guy showed up at the club 2:02 a.m., engaged in gunfire with three cops who were outside, and then he went in the club. The cops sat outside until they got their armored vehicles there and got enough personnel there. At 5 am the cops smashed in the door with their APC, and shot the guy in the doorway. Three hours to go in? When it changes from "active shooter" to "barricaded gunman with hostages," different tactics are called for. Hate me all you want for my rhetoric, but you cannot condone waiting outside, especially for the length of time they did. If the L.E. community want to dress up like the military, than they need to step up like the military. Many U.S. military openly engaged enemy combatants while being shot at, but Law Enforcement only plays dress up, and fucks up people when their authority is questioned without risk of life or limb. I'm pissed, 3 hours? That isn't the protocol because they are afraid to take the risk. It's the protocol because the goal is to minimize the threat to the hostages. Hostage rescue is not something that the average American SWAT team is going to excel at. If the guy was in there shooting the whole time, then they should have gone in immediately. I'm pretty sure you have no idea what actually happened. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:52:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was shooting fish in a barrel. Dumping four mags(if he was using 30rd mags) into a crowd probably only took a minute or two. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hostage situations are handled differently; situations where they suspect explosives are in play, the rules are changed dramatically. You don't know if they have just enough tannerite to spark and fizzle, or if they have enough semtex to level half a city block. This is a spin to cover the lack of response by the Orlando PD. They need to be thrown under the bus. Not because they should want to get killed for relatively low wages, but because FL does not allow people to protect themselves in a bar, and the Police will not save them if they are in danger. FL needs to remove restrictions on CCW so people can defend themselves from terrorists. He was shooting fish in a barrel. Dumping four mags(if he was using 30rd mags) into a crowd probably only took a minute or two. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:52:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A radical Muslim cannot speak for all Muslims. That's the fucking point. There's no central authority in Islam to claim any one interpretation is the defacto doctrine of Islam. Anyone can have an opinion on the matter and brand themselves an imam, and that's the true problem with Islam. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Perhaps the 'not all muslims' crowd should re-watch this gem... www.youtube.com/watch?v=APQVkJcZMKIA radical Muslim cannot speak for all Muslims. That's the fucking point. There's no central authority in Islam to claim any one interpretation is the defacto doctrine of Islam. Anyone can have an opinion on the matter and brand themselves an imam, and that's the true problem with Islam. No their goddamn child fucking and murdering prophet does a well enough job speaking for them Islam is a fucking cancer |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:52:33 PM EDT
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No, no, no! Law Enforcement are paid to risk their lives, that is why killing one holds a higher penalty than that of a regular civilian. They allowed so many to die because they failed to do their core job, protect the innocent. The FBI is just as guilty as cowards that refused to go in, regardless of what L.E. & Badge Bunnies think. Who sits outside for hours while someone is continuously shooting unarmed citizens? Hate me all you want for my rhetoric, but you cannot condone waiting outside, especially for the length of time they did. If the L.E. community want to dress up like the military, than they need to step up like the military. Many U.S. military openly engaged enemy combatants while being shot at, but Law Enforcement only plays dress up, and fucks up people when their authority is questioned without risk of life or limb. I'm pissed, 3 hours? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe this is old news, but CNN says the guy showed up at the club 2:02 a.m., engaged in gunfire with three cops who were outside, and then he went in the club. The cops sat outside until they got their armored vehicles there and got enough personnel there. At 5 am the cops smashed in the door with their APC, and shot the guy in the doorway. Three hours to go in? When it changes from "active shooter" to "barricaded gunman with hostages," different tactics are called for. Hate me all you want for my rhetoric, but you cannot condone waiting outside, especially for the length of time they did. If the L.E. community want to dress up like the military, than they need to step up like the military. Many U.S. military openly engaged enemy combatants while being shot at, but Law Enforcement only plays dress up, and fucks up people when their authority is questioned without risk of life or limb. I'm pissed, 3 hours? You have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:52:38 PM EDT
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I recognize the political value of the moment, but for now, I just want to mourn those who passed away before their time. It is a national tragedy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If trump was smart he would run this up the flag pole so hard and fast it would fly off the top. I recognize the political value of the moment, but for now, I just want to mourn those who passed away before their time. It is a national tragedy. Now you understand what our friend Israel deals with on a daily basis against the muslims. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:52:57 PM EDT
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please define the differences between islam and "global jihad" Having accomplished that, what, exactly, would you have the military do? Kill american citizens whose parents are from muslim countries? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bill O'Reilly just nailed it. We need to declare war against global jihad and put this in the hands of the military. Then the rules change. please define the differences between islam and "global jihad" Having accomplished that, what, exactly, would you have the military do? Kill american citizens whose parents are from muslim countries? It sounds really horrible, and I haven't fully thought it through, but I would let it be known to any mass shooter, especially jihadi.... 1. Their name would not be uttered in the media. And any media outlet that does would receive a hefty fine/lose access to governmental press 2. Their entire family that is on American soil would be disenfranchised, deported to a nation not of their choosing, and left to their own devices. I would then follow up on it and make sure it's done. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:53:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:53:27 PM EDT
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MSNBC speculating because the shooter went to a gym, it might have been roid rage. You can't make this shit up. That's the kind of shit that gets spouted when they insist on having the talking heads go for hours at a time when there is no new information to put out. So they just dream up random shit so they can keep on talking. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:54:11 PM EDT
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At last a special snowflake appears. I did my time fighting scum. How many times have you fired your weapon at the enemy? You're pretty well known for your brand of posts. I don't know how you can stomach supporting the lack of effort by your fellow L.E. brothers. Not all cops would have sat tight, but quite a few did last night. You cannot faze me JIA, I know who you are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That shit goes out of the window when gunshots are being fired at that rate. hide behind hostages all you want, I call cowardice! Lord, the stupid.
First you accuse them of assisting in the murders, now you call them cowards. Could you make up your mind please? While you are at it, which gay bar are you going to stand guard at to show your solidarity? The only one special here appears to be you. Wanting to go all Leroy Jenkins into a hostage situation when negotiations are ongoing is retarded. Edit: I forgot to mention the IED's Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:54:11 PM EDT
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You are all assuming they knew exactly how many were shot, dead, bleeding out, etc when they started negotiations
Calling them cowards? Go away, you are talking out your rear. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:54:12 PM EDT
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killing isis over there wont stop attacks here No but it still needs done. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:54:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Footage from inside right when it happened. You can hear the shots at the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzG-Oak12lIFucking hell, those poor people  |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:54:27 PM EDT
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killing isis over there wont stop attacks here Bingo |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:54:27 PM EDT
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If that was even logistically possible, it would just create new enemies. You'd end up pissing off more people than you set out to eliminate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bill O'Reilly just nailed it. We need to declare war against global jihad and put this in the hands of the military. Then the rules change. You can't declare war on an idea. Kill all those that believe that idea. Come at me bro. If that was even logistically possible, it would just create new enemies. You'd end up pissing off more people than you set out to eliminate. Case in point: The entire 2000's. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:54:31 PM EDT
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Ex-wife on CNN saying: -bipolar -abusive husband -wanted to be a cop -went to the range with cop buddies -used to be a guard at a youth corrections facility AND she's had no contact with him for 7 years and at that time she was only with him for a short time, her opinion means nothing except to the media types who are desperately searching for a story, a new angle, even if they have to make shit up. It's also amazing that they keep making a distinction between islamic terrorism and hate. Terrorism is the manifestation of hate. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:55:06 PM EDT
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The Hostage spin is BS. This would have been a very loud Hostage crisis, with lots of shooting inside. He must have spent and lot of time and ammunition to shoot 103 people. This is a spin to cover the lack of response by the Orlando PD. They need to be thrown under the bus. Not because they should want to get killed for relatively low wages, but because FL does not allow people to protect themselves in a bar, and the Police will not save them if they are in danger. FL needs to remove restrictions on CCW so people can defend themselves from terrorists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hostage situations are handled differently; situations where they suspect explosives are in play, the rules are changed dramatically. You don't know if they have just enough tannerite to spark and fizzle, or if they have enough semtex to level half a city block. This is a spin to cover the lack of response by the Orlando PD. They need to be thrown under the bus. Not because they should want to get killed for relatively low wages, but because FL does not allow people to protect themselves in a bar, and the Police will not save them if they are in danger. FL needs to remove restrictions on CCW so people can defend themselves from terrorists. In a crowded bar 30 rounds through the front window will hit 100 people. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:55:12 PM EDT
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That shit goes out of the window when gunshots are being fired at that rate. hide behind hostages all you want, I call cowardice! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe this is old news, but CNN says the guy showed up at the club 2:02 a.m., engaged in gunfire with three cops who were outside, and then he went in the club. The cops sat outside until they got their armored vehicles there and got enough personnel there. At 5 am the cops smashed in the door with their APC, and shot the guy in the doorway. Three hours to go in? When it changes from "active shooter" to "barricaded gunman with hostages," different tactics are called for. Hate me all you want for my rhetoric, but you cannot condone waiting outside, especially for the length of time they did. If the L.E. community want to dress up like the military, than they need to step up like the military. Many U.S. military openly engaged enemy combatants while being shot at, but Law Enforcement only plays dress up, and fucks up people when their authority is questioned without risk of life or limb. I'm pissed, 3 hours? That isn't the protocol because they are afraid to take the risk. It's the protocol because the goal is to minimize the threat to the hostages. Hostage rescue is not something that the average American SWAT team is going to excel at. If the guy was in there shooting the whole time, then they should have gone in immediately. What are you, about 12 years old? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:56:13 PM EDT
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Footage from inside right when it happened. You can hear the shots at the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzG-Oak12lIDamn |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:56:38 PM EDT
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killing isis over there wont stop attacks here I think it would help to some extent...but who knows how much The real problem is you kill off one form of radical Islam and another pops up...wack a mole Solve the socioeconomic problems of the middle east and then we would get somewhere. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:56:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy arrested outside LA Gay Pride parade sounds like a 9/11 nutter. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html "A Facebook page for Howell said he attended high school in Louisville, Ky., and lives in Jeffersonville, Ind., where he works for an air filtration company. A car enthusiast, Howell posted numerous photographs of the Acura along with a couple of videos taken from inside cars. Another 10-second video includes gunfire, with shots striking grass. The site includes political posts, including one in which he compares Hillary Clinton to Adolf Hitler. In another, he repeats conspiracy theories that the government was behind notorious terrorist attacks, including Sept. 11, 2001. That post shares a video claiming that last year’s terror attack on the Paris offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo was a hoax and attributable to the "New World Order.” "They found him with weapons that were very disconcerting," said one source, adding officials are "taking the appropriate safety precautions." Did he have a copy of Catcher in the Rye? |
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