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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:12:51 PM EDT
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Bill O'Reilly just nailed it. We need to declare war against global jihad and put this in the hands of the military. Then the rules change. please define the differences between islam and "global jihad" Having accomplished that, what, exactly, would you have the military do? Kill american citizens whose parents are from muslim countries? Yep, we let bad people in a generation ago and it is bearing fruit. What do you think is going to happen a generation from now when the nearly a million Syrians we are letting in now have children? Ask Ted Kennedy. Someday I'm going to visit his grave and piss on it. By burying him in Arlington they have effectively denied that possibility, don't you think? (Not that I don't agree with you 100% regarding the murderer of Mary Jo Kopechne). |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:13:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a very quick way to return those portions of the world back to the 7th century if they so desire it.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: killing isis over there wont stop attacks here I think it would help to some extent...but who knows how much The real problem is you kill off one form of radical Islam and another pops up...wack a mole Solve the socioeconomic problems of the middle east and then we would get somewhere. They made those problems for themselves, let them wallow in their own filth, it is not our nation's obligation to cleanse the world of its self-inflicted atavistic social progress. There is a very quick way to return those portions of the world back to the 7th century if they so desire it. They are still in the 7th century |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:13:24 PM EDT
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Are you ignorant about what took place, or are you just stupid? Again, he WAS NOT shooting for three hours. Once law enforcement arrived it turned into a hostage situation with the shooter ON THE PHONE with police. THERE WAS NO SHOOTING AT THIS POINT. The only reports of any further shots are when law enforcement entered the building and killed the shooter. For fucks sake, stop acting like a retard. What makes you think he's acting? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:13:33 PM EDT
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I though three(assuming the one headshoted was not one of those) cops got hit. IIRC(said many pages ago) some got taken to a donut shop after being hit and were treated there? Was it really only the guy who took one in his helmet? Hadn't heard on additional officer injuries; have heard anywhere from 1 off duty initially engaged to 3 on duty engaged initially; been waiting on that part to settle out and clear up before updating/changing the info a bit. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:13:52 PM EDT
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Are there any American LEOs in here who have received ALERRT training? Anyone else wondering why the gunman was still breathing about three HOURS after the shooting started? Not Leo but delay was attributed to potential explosive devices on scene among other issues. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:14:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every C-17 we have should be chock full of pissed off paratroopers MOAB's headed to the Middle East Raqqa . It's time to put ISIS to sleep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Fixed. Someone pinch me I must be dreaming. Did mk262 actually say we should kill his friends? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:14:52 PM EDT
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Why all the popups over the cars that the bomb squad are going through? Heat? Don't want people seeing what they're doing from the air for fear someone will set them off remotely?
If this guy had bombs there must be a bombmaker behind the whole thing so that means he had help, no? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:14:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're really going to stop there? 50% of the internet called for gun confiscation within hours. 90% of the media buzz is about needing new gun control and bans. Obama blamed guns. Reddit started deleting comments that didn't fit an agenda. Liberals went hyper-derp and then chose muslims over the LGBT crowd. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm sorry everyone, I've been in a bubble all day. What in The holy fuck happened? Cliff's notes? Thanks Muslim went Muslim and murdered 50 people You're really going to stop there? 50% of the internet called for gun confiscation within hours. 90% of the media buzz is about needing new gun control and bans. Obama blamed guns. Reddit started deleting comments that didn't fit an agenda. Liberals went hyper-derp and then chose muslims over the LGBT crowd. Too pissed for an adequate aar  |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:16:14 PM EDT
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Whether or not homosexuality is moral is irrelevant. Whether or not Jesus approves of homosexuality is irrelevant. Whether or not gay marriage should be legal is irrelevant. There is only one relevant fact pertaining to this incident and that is this; an Islamic militant murdered 50 Americans in the name of Allah. Truth. Just got back from taking my dad to Church....fire and brimstone preacher talked about the massacre. Talked about a crazy man following the will of the devil slaughtering the people in the club and taking away all their chances and all their tomorrows and leaving the families in turmoil and anguish. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:16:24 PM EDT
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Someone pinch me I must be dreaming. Did mk262 actually say we should kill his friends? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every C-17 we have should be chock full of pissed off paratroopers MOAB's headed to the Middle East Raqqa . It's time to put ISIS to sleep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Fixed. Someone pinch me I must be dreaming. Did mk262 actually say we should kill his friends? I am not pinching your beowolfx loving ass....and I don't think you are dreaming. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:16:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Roid rage makes you call 911 and declare allegiance to isis?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: MSNBC speculating because the shooter went to a gym, it might have been roid rage. You can't make this shit up. Roid rage makes you call 911 and declare allegiance to isis? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:16:43 PM EDT
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What makes you think he's acting? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you ignorant about what took place, or are you just stupid? Again, he WAS NOT shooting for three hours. Once law enforcement arrived it turned into a hostage situation with the shooter ON THE PHONE with police. THERE WAS NO SHOOTING AT THIS POINT. The only reports of any further shots are when law enforcement entered the building and killed the shooter. For fucks sake, stop acting like a retard. What makes you think he's acting? My only character flaw is presuming the best in people. 
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:16:45 PM EDT
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Ralph Peters has lost his fucking mind. Civil liberties matter, but in war time.... Details, please. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:17:02 PM EDT
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Why all the popups over the cars that the bomb squad are going through? Heat? Don't want people seeing what they're doing from the air for fear someone will set them off remotely? If this guy had bombs there must be a bombmaker behind the whole thing so that means he had help, no? There is no way this guy was a lone wolf, just like in the San Bernardino case there has to be more people involved. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:17:13 PM EDT
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Fixed it for how liberals will spin it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whether or not homosexuality is moral is irrelevant. Whether or not Jesus approves of homosexuality is irrelevant. Whether or not gay marriage should be legal is irrelevant. There is only one relevant fact pertaining to this incident and that is this; an Cis-male Islamic militant murdered 50 Americans in the name of Allah. with an assault rifle because of the NRA and anti-gay hate speech from conservatives. And this is exactly how it will play out Monday morning. 
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:17:16 PM EDT
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Sorry to hear that eesmith.
Prayers out to them and all affected. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:17:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone pinch me I must be dreaming. Did mk262 actually say we should kill his friends? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every C-17 we have should be chock full of pissed off paratroopers MOAB's headed to the Middle East Raqqa . It's time to put ISIS to sleep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Fixed. Someone pinch me I must be dreaming. Did mk262 actually say we should kill his friends? Yeah, that edit from him was a shock. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:17:51 PM EDT
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You could throw in some FAEs and Thermobarics in for fun..............as well as cluster bombs
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Every C-17 we have should be chock full of pissed off paratroopers MOAB's headed to the Middle East Raqqa . It's time to put ISIS to sleep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Fixed. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:18:07 PM EDT
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This kid talking on Fox right now is saying he helped hold the exit doors closed from the outside so the shooter could not escape. Kelly asked him if he considered that he was trapping victims inside and he said yes and that people were pushing on the door and screaming, while trying to escape.
Also said his friend had a two inch long bullet sticking out of his leg... |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:18:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to hear that eesmith. Prayers out to them and all affected.Must have missed something, is EE ok? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:19:34 PM EDT
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Because he supposedly had a fucking suicide vest. Holy goddamn shit you people... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are there any American LEOs in here who have received ALERRT training? Anyone else wondering why the gunman was still breathing about three HOURS after the shooting started? Because he supposedly had a fucking suicide vest. Holy goddamn shit you people... Sadly, the active shooters tactics appear to be evolving faster than LEO active shooter training can be implemented. Lets say the SWAT team arrived at the same time as the first patrol officers. What next? Stand outside and wait as the screams of the dying filter out? At what point do you decide to say, "Screw it...we're going in?" |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:19:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I totally think the oil train derailment was just the start. I saw a single overhead shot of the rail and the first words out of my mouth was that entire section was missing spikes. Only to see how the rail was missing a huge amount of fasteners were removed. Since no body count and lack of overall destruction they did not claim it or are keeping hush hush. This terrorist bullshit this morning. A democrat muslim... just like SB who would have fucking thunk it. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:19:41 PM EDT
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This kid talking on fox right now is saying he helped hold the exit doors closed from the outside so the shooter could not escaped. Kelly asked him if he considered that he was trapping victims inside and he said yes and that people were pushing on the door and screaming, while trying to escape. Also said his friend had a two inch long bullet sticking out of his leg... WTF? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:19:51 PM EDT
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Must have missed something, is EE ok? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry to hear that eesmith. Prayers out to them and all affected.
Must have missed something, is EE ok? Friend of a friend thing, IIRC. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:19:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This kid talking on fox right now is saying he helped hold the exit doors closed from the outside so the shooter could not escaped. Kelly asked him if he considered that he was trapping victims inside and he said yes and that people were pushing on the door and screaming, while trying to escape. Also said his friend had a two inch long bullet sticking out of his leg... Accessory to murder and a fucking liar? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:20:15 PM EDT
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This kid talking on fox right now is saying he helped hold the exit doors closed from the outside so the shooter could not escaped. Kelly asked him if he considered that he was trapping victims inside and he said yes and that people were pushing on the door and screaming, while trying to escape. Also said his friend had a two inch long bullet sticking out of his leg... What a dick move that dude did. He probably caused more casualties for holding the door shut |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:20:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This kid talking on fox right now is saying he helped hold the exit doors closed from the outside so the shooter could not escaped. Kelly asked him if he considered that he was trapping victims inside and he said yes and that people were pushing on the door and screaming, while trying to escape. Also said his friend had a two inch long bullet sticking out of his leg... |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:20:39 PM EDT
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I really, really wish that Pulse was not a gun free zone. Horrible.
http://www.fox25boston.com/news/horror-unfolds-for-one-mother-via-text-during-terror-attacks/339244070 "Hurry," he wrote. "He's in the bathroom with us." She asked, "Is the man in the bathroom wit u?" At 2:50 a.m.: "He's a terror." Then, a final text from her son a minute later: "Yes." |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:20:46 PM EDT
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Not even a FLC? I feel shame for you
Had to make room. You would have been amazed, when I retired I drove two truckloads of crap to the base resale store. I had so much extra TA-50 I dumped it at the unit and let anyone pick thru it for what they wanted.
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:21:08 PM EDT
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Accessory to murder and a fucking liar? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This kid talking on fox right now is saying he helped hold the exit doors closed from the outside so the shooter could not escaped. Kelly asked him if he considered that he was trapping victims inside and he said yes and that people were pushing on the door and screaming, while trying to escape. Also said his friend had a two inch long bullet sticking out of his leg... Accessory to murder and a fucking liar? Fuuuuuuuuck that guy.
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:21:25 PM EDT
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We need less censure not more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bill O'Reilly just nailed it. We need to declare war against global jihad and put this in the hands of the military. Then the rules change. please define the differences between islam and "global jihad" Having accomplished that, what, exactly, would you have the military do? Kill american citizens whose parents are from muslim countries? It sounds really horrible, and I haven't fully thought it through, but I would let it be known to any mass shooter, especially jihadi.... 1. Their name would not be uttered in the media. And any media outlet that does would receive a hefty fine/lose access to governmental press 2. Their entire family that is on American soil would be disenfranchised, deported to a nation not of their choosing, and left to their own devices. I would then follow up on it and make sure it's done. We need less censure not more. I'm not totally sure what you're getting at? noun 1. strong or vehement expression of disapproval: The newspapers were unanimous in their censure of the tax proposal. 2. an official reprimand, as by a legislative body of one of its members. verb (used with object), censured, censuring. 3. to criticize or reproach in a harsh or vehement manner: She is more to be pitied than censured. verb (used without object), censured, censuring. 4. to give censure, adverse criticism, disapproval, or blame. Did you mean censoring? If that's the case, then how does making a mass shooter famous, delving into every aspect of his life down to what he ate for breakfast, make things better? How does it not embolden a nutcase looking for a way to go out with some fame attached to his name? From what I learned of the 70s-80's postal shootings, refusing to release the shooter's names helped. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:21:55 PM EDT
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the 'suicide vest' was likely just a tac vest with mag pockets
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:22:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as I'm concerned the FBI dropped the fucking ball BIG TIME on this Muslim piece of shit.  |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:22:18 PM EDT
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Why is the left so obsessed with falsely portraying Islam as a peaceful religion? It's a reflexive action on their part - if the right says that Islam is a dangerous anti-Western ideology then the left, instead of making their own assessments, simply says the right is wrong. Anyone who sits down and lists what the left is for and Islam is against will quickly find out that the average left winger has crammed his/her head so far up his/her ass that it's coming out between the shoulders when it comes to the topic of Islam. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:22:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sadly, the active shooters tactics appear to be evolving faster than LEO active shooter training can be implemented. Lets say the SWAT team arrived at the same time as the first patrol officers. What next? Stand outside and wait as the screams of the dying filter out? At what point do you decide to say, "Screw it...we're going in?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are there any American LEOs in here who have received ALERRT training? Anyone else wondering why the gunman was still breathing about three HOURS after the shooting started? Because he supposedly had a fucking suicide vest. Holy goddamn shit you people... Sadly, the active shooters tactics appear to be evolving faster than LEO active shooter training can be implemented. Lets say the SWAT team arrived at the same time as the first patrol officers. What next? Stand outside and wait as the screams of the dying filter out? At what point do you decide to say, "Screw it...we're going in?" It's a fucked situation but sometimes going in guns blazing against a potential explosive only gets more people killed |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:23:32 PM EDT
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This kid talking on fox right now is saying he helped hold the exit doors closed from the outside so the shooter could not escaped. Kelly asked him if he considered that he was trapping victims inside and he said yes and that people were pushing on the door and screaming, while trying to escape. Also said his friend had a two inch long bullet sticking out of his leg... WTF? #Pride #Humanrights #Samelove |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:23:59 PM EDT
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I think it would help to some extent...but who knows how much The real problem is you kill off one form of radical Islam and another pops up...wack a mole Solve the socioeconomic problems of the middle east and then we would get somewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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killing isis over there wont stop attacks here I think it would help to some extent...but who knows how much The real problem is you kill off one form of radical Islam and another pops up...wack a mole Solve the socioeconomic problems of the middle east and then we would get somewhere. So they hate us because they are unemployed. 
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:24:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:24:29 PM EDT
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This kid talking on fox right now is saying he helped hold the exit doors closed from the outside so the shooter could not escaped. Kelly asked him if he considered that he was trapping victims inside and he said yes and that people were pushing on the door and screaming, while trying to escape. Also said his friend had a two inch long bullet sticking out of his leg... Accessory to murder and a fucking liar? Fuuuuuuuuck that guy. I agree with the post.^^^^ |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:24:29 PM EDT
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Want to raise your blood pressure? read the comments section of the New York Times. The stupid, it burns.
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:24:57 PM EDT
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This kid talking on fox right now is saying he helped hold the exit doors closed from the outside so the shooter could not escaped. Kelly asked him if he considered that he was trapping victims inside and he said yes and that people were pushing on the door and screaming, while trying to escape. Also said his friend had a two inch long bullet sticking out of his leg... WTF? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:25:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:25:34 PM EDT
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Clinton's response should be a wake-up call to the neverTrumpers. I am waiting for the hammer to come down on this site over the AlwaysHillary crap. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:25:38 PM EDT
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This kid talking on fox right now is saying he helped hold the exit doors closed from the outside so the shooter could not escaped. Kelly asked him if he considered that he was trapping victims inside and he said yes and that people were pushing on the door and screaming, while trying to escape. Also said his friend had a two inch long bullet sticking out of his leg... WTF? #Pride #Humanrights #Samelove More likely panic and self-preservation. Sad, though. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:26:06 PM EDT
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There are several levels of ALERRT training and I am wondering if any of those levels include a curriculum on taking out an active shooter who may have a suicide vest?
Mikhail, this is a repky to you. My ARF.COM acct does not let me have multiple quotes. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:26:18 PM EDT
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ISIS claimed the attack, Piers Morgan claims NRA backs ISIS National ROPers Association?????? 
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:26:39 PM EDT
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50 killed/53 injured, many in ICU. 1 Officer injured, helmet saved him. Single gunman. Born in New York, US Citizen; Parents from Afghanistan. Licensed security guard (G4S). Registered Democrat (registered 2006 - voted by absentee in 08/12). Father is a Taliban supporter and has an online 'news' show where he seems to believe he is the President of Afghanistan. Drove 125 miles to hit that particular nightclub. Timed attack for when it was about to close. Approximately 320 people inside. Engaged by off duty officer when it started, no word on that officer. 3 hours between the attack and SWAT going in due to, it was thought, suicide vest/explosives. Not a prohibited person, firearms purchased legally. Both weapons purchased in the last few days. AR-15 and Glock handgun. Was married; ex-wife states he was very abusive. Former co-worker states he was very anti-gay and talked about killing people. Was investigated three times by the FBI with regards to possible islamist ties; nothing actionable at the time(s) (2013/2014); interviewed each time by FBI. Pledged support to ISIS prior to attack. Bragged about ties to islamist groups on social media and to co-workers (2013/2014). ISIS claims responsibility. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry everyone, I've been in a bubble all day. What in The holy fuck happened? Cliff's notes? Thanks 50 killed/53 injured, many in ICU. 1 Officer injured, helmet saved him. Single gunman. Born in New York, US Citizen; Parents from Afghanistan. Licensed security guard (G4S). Registered Democrat (registered 2006 - voted by absentee in 08/12). Father is a Taliban supporter and has an online 'news' show where he seems to believe he is the President of Afghanistan. Drove 125 miles to hit that particular nightclub. Timed attack for when it was about to close. Approximately 320 people inside. Engaged by off duty officer when it started, no word on that officer. 3 hours between the attack and SWAT going in due to, it was thought, suicide vest/explosives. Not a prohibited person, firearms purchased legally. Both weapons purchased in the last few days. AR-15 and Glock handgun. Was married; ex-wife states he was very abusive. Former co-worker states he was very anti-gay and talked about killing people. Was investigated three times by the FBI with regards to possible islamist ties; nothing actionable at the time(s) (2013/2014); interviewed each time by FBI. Pledged support to ISIS prior to attack. Bragged about ties to islamist groups on social media and to co-workers (2013/2014). ISIS claims responsibility. Damn dude, that's an impressive summation. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:26:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:27:12 PM EDT
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So you're on board with the "they just want jobs" line of bullshit? Because it's bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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killing isis over there wont stop attacks here I think it would help to some extent...but who knows how much The real problem is you kill off one form of radical Islam and another pops up...wack a mole Solve the socioeconomic problems of the middle east and then we would get somewhere. So you're on board with the "they just want jobs" line of bullshit? Because it's bullshit. It's a heck of a lot easier to recruit guys willing to die from a 3rd world muslim sh#$hole that have no future or hope than a guy who has a PHD in math. Jobs won't solve the problem but if some of those countries weren't so screwed up it would help. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 9:27:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Must have missed something, is EE ok? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sorry to hear that eesmith. Prayers out to them and all affected.Must have missed something, is EE ok? A friend of a friend of EE's was killed |
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