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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:08:16 PM EDT
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YOUVE NEVER SEEN WHAT A BEAR DOES WHEN SHOT FLOPPING A DOVE WITH ENERGIES AND 9 PELLETS. SLATHER YOURSELF UP WITH SALMON PEANUTS AND GET INTO THAT TERRAIN BROTHER! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You've never seen a 5.56 wound in a human before, have you? |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:13:31 PM EDT
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Does anyone know where one might find this salmon oil???
Asking for masturbation purposes. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:18:46 PM EDT
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Either you're drunk, have downs syndrome, or don't know what buck shot is, and how it works. Which is it?  
Now that's funny right there. Even funnier than he is. 
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:19:55 PM EDT
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Why are people so mad that a 12 gauge slug is more powerful than a 5.56 round?
Obviously a shotgun has limitations, but inside 25 yards, a non CNS hit with a 12 gauge slug will kill a home intruder faster than the same hit with a 5.56. A 12 gauge slug has more than twice the energy. Even buckshot has about 50% more energy It will disrupt more tissue and cause more bleeding. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:26:14 PM EDT
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Obviously a shotgun has limitations, but inside 25 yards, a non CNS hit with a 12 gauge slug will kill a home intruder faster than the same hit with a 5.56. Did anyone need "You don't even need to aim" for their bingo sheet? |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:27:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? If you only hit soft tissue, no bones or major vessels, the 12 gauge magically kills faster than the 5.56mm? |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:29:18 PM EDT
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Will a 5.56 that doesn't hit anything valuable kill faster than an ice pick?
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:29:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, because Salmon oil energy pellets. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:31:06 PM EDT
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Will a 5.56 that doesn't hit anything valuable kill faster than an ice pick? |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:32:32 PM EDT
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Same reason 7.62 kills faster than 5.56. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:32:58 PM EDT
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I'd like to put these people in the middle of Kodiak island at night, right after break up, smeared in salmon oil and peanut butter, then offer them an AR with 9 mags of ammo of their choice, or a semi 12 with ammo of their choice. When they pick the 12, I'd give them their AR and wish them luck. Especially since "stopping power" doesn't exist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Folks who insult the 12 gauge have probably never used it for hunting or self defense. It drops large mammals. It is not as good as 5.56 against armored targets. On a one shot basis against unarmored targets, 12 gauge has more stopping power. Depending on the load, a 12 gauge can be more than three times more powerful. That's just the science folks. A 2 1/2" slug has about 3000 ft lbs of energy. A 3 1/2" slug has close to 5000 ft lbs of energy. 5.56 is 1300 ft lbs. When they pick the 12, I'd give them their AR and wish them luck. Especially since "stopping power" doesn't exist. 5.56 clearly has as much or more stopping power as .375 H&H or .600NE. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:34:22 PM EDT
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Really? If you only hit soft tissue, no bones or major vessels, the 12 gauge magically kills faster than the 5.56mm? Did anyone need "You don't even need to aim" for their bingo sheet? Bloodloss from a 12 gauge wound will lower your blood pressure to point of unconsciousness very rapidly. After that you will continue bleeding until you die. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:34:42 PM EDT
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Did anyone need "5.56 is like an icepick" for bingo? You guys busting out troll accounts to win the bingo game for this thread? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will a 5.56 that doesn't hit anything valuable kill faster than an ice pick? |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:36:05 PM EDT
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Does anyone know where one might find this salmon oil??? Asking for masturbation purposes. Learn something new every day. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:36:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever shot anything with a 12 gauge? |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:39:22 PM EDT
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Why are people so mad that a 12 gauge slug is more powerful than a 5.56 round? Obviously a shotgun has limitations, but inside 25 yards, a non CNS hit with a 12 gauge slug will kill a home intruder faster than the same hit with a 5.56. Using your logic that "more energy more better," why not use an 8 bore? A 12 gauge slug won't necessarily kill an intruder faster than a 5.56. Assuming they both hit, for example, the aortic arch and prevent any further blood flow to the brain, the person can still attack for 10-15 seconds with both. Assuming they have to bleed out to lower blood pressure, there's a limit here. Whether I drill a .75" hole or a 1.5" hole in my pump doesn't matter - it's not going to have any head either way. I think you're assuming "energy" kills people faster? Then we have to talk about the limitations of each system. By pigeonholing the argument into the shotgun, you basically now have a rifle with (usually) low capacity, (usually) more difficulty in adding optics and lights, and (usually) manual operation. If you have a semi-auto, mag-fed shotgun with a rail and a light... you're basically trying to replicate a rifle at that point. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:41:57 PM EDT
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Literally nobody here is mad about that. You keep saying the same thing and nobody is arguing with you because nobody is mad about it. Using your logic that "more energy more better," why not use an 8 bore? A 12 gauge slug won't necessarily kill an intruder faster than a 5.56. Assuming they both hit, for example, the aortic arch and prevent any further blood flow to the brain, the person can still attack for 10-15 seconds with both. Assuming they have to bleed out to lower blood pressure, there's a limit here. Whether I drill a .75" hole or a 1.5" hole in my pump doesn't matter - it's not going to have any head either way. I think you're assuming "energy" kills people faster? Then we have to talk about the limitations of each system. By pigeonholing the argument into the shotgun, you basically now have a rifle with (usually) low capacity, (usually) more difficulty in adding optics and lights, and (usually) manual operation. If you have a semi-auto, mag-fed shotgun with a rail and a light... you're basically trying to replicate a rifle at that point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why are people so mad that a 12 gauge slug is more powerful than a 5.56 round? Obviously a shotgun has limitations, but inside 25 yards, a non CNS hit with a 12 gauge slug will kill a home intruder faster than the same hit with a 5.56. Using your logic that "more energy more better," why not use an 8 bore? A 12 gauge slug won't necessarily kill an intruder faster than a 5.56. Assuming they both hit, for example, the aortic arch and prevent any further blood flow to the brain, the person can still attack for 10-15 seconds with both. Assuming they have to bleed out to lower blood pressure, there's a limit here. Whether I drill a .75" hole or a 1.5" hole in my pump doesn't matter - it's not going to have any head either way. I think you're assuming "energy" kills people faster? Then we have to talk about the limitations of each system. By pigeonholing the argument into the shotgun, you basically now have a rifle with (usually) low capacity, (usually) more difficulty in adding optics and lights, and (usually) manual operation. If you have a semi-auto, mag-fed shotgun with a rail and a light... you're basically trying to replicate a rifle at that point. My FAVORITE "shotguns are better" line of reasoning.  (Shotguns are better cause I can turn one into a shitty rifle)
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:43:12 PM EDT
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Literally nobody here is mad about that. You keep saying the same thing and nobody is arguing with you because nobody is mad about it. Using your logic that "more energy more better," why not use an 8 bore? A 12 gauge slug won't necessarily kill an intruder faster than a 5.56. Assuming they both hit, for example, the aortic arch and prevent any further blood flow to the brain, the person can still attack for 10-15 seconds with both. Assuming they have to bleed out to lower blood pressure, there's a limit here. Whether I drill a .75" hole or a 1.5" hole in my pump doesn't matter - it's not going to have any head either way. I think you're assuming "energy" kills people faster? Then we have to talk about the limitations of each system. By pigeonholing the argument into the shotgun, you basically now have a rifle with (usually) low capacity, (usually) more difficulty in adding optics and lights, and (usually) manual operation. If you have a semi-auto, mag-fed shotgun with a rail and a light... you're basically trying to replicate a rifle at that point. It got old, and more fun to just make fun and write song parodies. 
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:44:07 PM EDT
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Really? If you only hit soft tissue, no bones or major vessels, the 12 gauge magically kills faster than the 5.56mm? Did anyone need "You don't even need to aim" for their bingo sheet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously a shotgun has limitations, but inside 25 yards, a non CNS hit with a 12 gauge slug will kill a home intruder faster than the same hit with a 5.56. Did anyone need "You don't even need to aim" for their bingo sheet? I almost felt sorry for him, it was like the homely girl sitting in the side at a junior high dance, trying to catch the eye of every boy who passes. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:45:51 PM EDT
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A guy in my Bn killed a charging water buffalo with a single round of m855. 5.56 clearly has as much or more stopping power as .375 H&H or .600NE. Besides, water buff are seldom on a rip crew. It's cape buffalo that are known for their gang affiliation and drug use. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:47:58 PM EDT
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Water buffalo, bears.
Psh. None of that shit compares to the SHEER MANLINESS and ABSOLUTE COLD EYED COAL SHOVELING FORTITUDE it takes to kill dove and quail. You're not possibly ready to defend your home unless you've gone wing shooting. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:49:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever shot anything with a 12 gauge? Bloodloss from a 12 gauge wound will lower your blood pressure to point of unconsciousness very rapidly. After that you will continue bleeding until you die. Have you ever shot anyone with 5.56? If we're talking home defense distances, it's potentially moving 3 times as fast as buck shot, and it stretches things like some organs until they don't want to stretch anymore, and the dude has an unusual amount of hemorrhaging going on in his life. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:50:08 PM EDT
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YOUVE NEVER SEEN WHAT A BEAR DOES WHEN SHOT FLOPPING A DOVE WITH ENERGIES AND 9 PELLETS. SLATHER YOURSELF UP WITH SALMON PEANUTS AND GET INTO THAT TERRAIN BROTHER! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You've never seen a 5.56 wound in a human before, have you? 
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:52:50 PM EDT
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Water buffalo, bears. Psh. None of that shit compares to the SHEER MANLINESS and ABSOLUTE COLD EYED COAL SHOVELING FORTITUDE it takes to kill dove and quail. You're not possibly ready to defend your home unless you've gone wing shooting.
I keep a carbine out for HD. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:53:21 PM EDT
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Literally nobody here is mad about that. You keep saying the same thing and nobody is arguing with you because nobody is mad about it. Using your logic that "more energy more better," why not use an 8 bore? A 12 gauge slug won't necessarily kill an intruder faster than a 5.56. Assuming they both hit, for example, the aortic arch and prevent any further blood flow to the brain, the person can still attack for 10-15 seconds with both. Assuming they have to bleed out to lower blood pressure, there's a limit here. Whether I drill a .75" hole or a 1.5" hole in my pump doesn't matter - it's not going to have any head either way. I think you're assuming "energy" kills people faster? Then we have to talk about the limitations of each system. By pigeonholing the argument into the shotgun, you basically now have a rifle with (usually) low capacity, (usually) more difficulty in adding optics and lights, and (usually) manual operation. If you have a semi-auto, mag-fed shotgun with a rail and a light... you're basically trying to replicate a rifle at that point. Even if you miss vital organs and major arteries, a bigger wound will bleed you out faster. I’m not saying that a shotgun is perfect for everything, but it will drop someone faster at close range. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:53:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOh, godsdammit, furries with not-quite-a-halberd?
Fuck this portal with salmon oil lube! |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:54:06 PM EDT
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But not on account of the lethality of the shotgun. Their rather spurious complaint, which was more a political statement about our entry into the war than about the shotgun itself, specified that they claimed the shotgun caused unnecessary suffering. In other words, it wounded people too much, rather than kill them outright. What do you want in war? When the Germans seen the shotguns come in the trenches they got blasted to fuck. They flat out worked. It had to do with wounding and maiming to a point and was labeled as to effective because with one pull of the trigger there could be 3-4 people wounded. Nothing to do with any political bullshit statement, and only made up from people like you. The more the trenchers shot the more they wounded. Again what do you want in war? ????? Eh think a bit now. Plus the dead and mutilated fuckin Kraut who had the shotguns bead on his chest. Hour long segment on the Military channel about the Winchester 12 gauge trench gun watch it and learn. 
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:55:54 PM EDT
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You with your bullshit knowledge- What do you want in war? When the Germans seen the shotguns come in the trenches they got blasted to fuck. They flat out worked. It had to do with wounding and maiming to a point and was labeled as to effective because with one pull of the trigger there could be 3-4 people wounded. Nothing to do with any political bullshit statement, and only made up from people like you. The more the trenchers shot the more they wounded. Again what do you want in war? ????? Eh think a bit now. Plus the dead and mutilated fuckin Kraut who had the shotguns bead on his chest. Hour long segment on the Military channel about the Winchester 12 gauge trench gun watch it and learn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But not on account of the lethality of the shotgun. Their rather spurious complaint, which was more a political statement about our entry into the war than about the shotgun itself, specified that they claimed the shotgun caused unnecessary suffering. In other words, it wounded people too much, rather than kill them outright. What do you want in war? When the Germans seen the shotguns come in the trenches they got blasted to fuck. They flat out worked. It had to do with wounding and maiming to a point and was labeled as to effective because with one pull of the trigger there could be 3-4 people wounded. Nothing to do with any political bullshit statement, and only made up from people like you. The more the trenchers shot the more they wounded. Again what do you want in war? ????? Eh think a bit now. Plus the dead and mutilated fuckin Kraut who had the shotguns bead on his chest. Hour long segment on the Military channel about the Winchester 12 gauge trench gun watch it and learn. Get the fuck out with that hog shit. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:56:02 PM EDT
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Yeah but if he had a slug gun, it would have exploded the bovine and also killed it's parents. Besides, water buff are seldom on a rip crew. It's cape buffalo that are known for their gang affiliation and drug use. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A guy in my Bn killed a charging water buffalo with a single round of m855. 5.56 clearly has as much or more stopping power as .375 H&H or .600NE. Besides, water buff are seldom on a rip crew. It's cape buffalo that are known for their gang affiliation and drug use. It was actually a pretty rad shot, it was a platoon from a line company that came to hang out in our AO cause it was THE SHIT for getting action. So they did a little night patrol in the fields around the powerplant (Musayib). So this kid bumps into the bedded down aqua tatanka, it springs up and head butts the fuck out of him, and mid air he pops a round off right up it's snout. Thing was DRT. Next morning the farmer comes in all "you killed my thing pay me money". Our CO is all "we protect your fields from looters, you pay us!" They haggled for a bit, and we ended up paying the guy a little bit. (from shit fuck tons of captured BAATH money we rounded up). |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:56:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:57:19 PM EDT
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Literally nobody here is mad about that. You keep saying the same thing and nobody is arguing with you because nobody is mad about it. Using your logic that "more energy more better," why not use an 8 bore? A 12 gauge slug won't necessarily kill an intruder faster than a 5.56. Assuming they both hit, for example, the aortic arch and prevent any further blood flow to the brain, the person can still attack for 10-15 seconds with both. Assuming they have to bleed out to lower blood pressure, there's a limit here. Whether I drill a .75" hole or a 1.5" hole in my pump doesn't matter - it's not going to have any head either way. I think you're assuming "energy" kills people faster? Then we have to talk about the limitations of each system. By pigeonholing the argument into the shotgun, you basically now have a rifle with (usually) low capacity, (usually) more difficulty in adding optics and lights, and (usually) manual operation. If you have a semi-auto, mag-fed shotgun with a rail and a light... you're basically trying to replicate a rifle at that point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why are people so mad that a 12 gauge slug is more powerful than a 5.56 round? Obviously a shotgun has limitations, but inside 25 yards, a non CNS hit with a 12 gauge slug will kill a home intruder faster than the same hit with a 5.56. Using your logic that "more energy more better," why not use an 8 bore? A 12 gauge slug won't necessarily kill an intruder faster than a 5.56. Assuming they both hit, for example, the aortic arch and prevent any further blood flow to the brain, the person can still attack for 10-15 seconds with both. Assuming they have to bleed out to lower blood pressure, there's a limit here. Whether I drill a .75" hole or a 1.5" hole in my pump doesn't matter - it's not going to have any head either way. I think you're assuming "energy" kills people faster? Then we have to talk about the limitations of each system. By pigeonholing the argument into the shotgun, you basically now have a rifle with (usually) low capacity, (usually) more difficulty in adding optics and lights, and (usually) manual operation. If you have a semi-auto, mag-fed shotgun with a rail and a light... you're basically trying to replicate a rifle at that point. If you're within 10 feet, and I put a single 5.56 one inch to the right of your heart, what happens? If you're at the same distance and my POI is the exact same spot with a 12 ga 3" 00 load, what happens? Which shot is more likely to put you down? Now let's assume the rifle is an AR, and my shotgun isn't a 28" bbl break action SxS, and it's an actual modern semi auto, (higher than average) capacity built for home defense or aggression. No one really doubts that a 5.56 to a vital won't do the job, but which one will cause more trauma to the heart, or will increase your chances of getting a CNS hit, will lead to more blood loss, and can project more holes faster? Everyone here expects to put their 5.56 22 caliber bullet directly into the heart of a running, ducking, panicked target while they're potentially getting shot at, like they're shooting at their "tactical" target. It doesn't work that way. You can plan all you want, but a good plan rarely survives aggressive contact. A good shotgun increases your odds through pure and simple firepower. And how the fuck is putting a light, a rail, and having a modern shotgun trying to turn it into a rifle?! |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:57:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Soldiers that had them tended to try and employ them at ranges that were too long, often resulting in single-pellet hits that just wounded without incapacitating. I.e., unnecessary suffering. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:57:43 PM EDT
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You with your bullshit knowledge- What do you want in war? When the Germans seen the shotguns come in the trenches they got blasted to fuck. They flat out worked. It had to do with wounding and maiming to a point and was labeled as to effective because with one pull of the trigger there could be 3-4 people wounded. Nothing to do with any political bullshit statement, and only made up from people like you. The more the trenchers shot the more they wounded. Again what do you want in war? ????? Eh think a bit now. Plus the dead and mutilated fuckin Kraut who had the shotguns bead on his chest. Hour long segment on the Military channel about the Winchester 12 gauge trench gun watch it and learn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But not on account of the lethality of the shotgun. Their rather spurious complaint, which was more a political statement about our entry into the war than about the shotgun itself, specified that they claimed the shotgun caused unnecessary suffering. In other words, it wounded people too much, rather than kill them outright. What do you want in war? When the Germans seen the shotguns come in the trenches they got blasted to fuck. They flat out worked. It had to do with wounding and maiming to a point and was labeled as to effective because with one pull of the trigger there could be 3-4 people wounded. Nothing to do with any political bullshit statement, and only made up from people like you. The more the trenchers shot the more they wounded. Again what do you want in war? ????? Eh think a bit now. Plus the dead and mutilated fuckin Kraut who had the shotguns bead on his chest. Hour long segment on the Military channel about the Winchester 12 gauge trench gun watch it and learn. But yea, I'm sure they were TERRIFIED of shotguns. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:58:33 PM EDT
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I have. Lots of things. Have you ever shot anyone with 5.56? If we're talking home defense distances, it's potentially moving 3 times as fast as buck shot, and it stretches things like some organs until they don't want to stretch anymore, and the dude has an unusual amount of hemorrhaging going on in his life. 5.56 is definitely deadly, but 12 gauge will do more damage in a single shot at close range. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:58:46 PM EDT
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 Failed To Load Title Start at 19 minute mark. Alaskan native killing bear with an AR... |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 8:59:45 PM EDT
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built for aggression. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:02:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im built for aggression baby, Im a bear flopping salmon oil trencher. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:03:37 PM EDT
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I used to wing shoot a lot, I even keep a shotgun out of the safe
I keep a carbine out for HD. But I know enough to not think that means fuck all when it comes to home defense. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:04:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I knew there would be a good chance of needing to fight a kodiak bear, I'd bring an M1 Abrams |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you even know how blood loss leads to incapacitation? Way too slowly to be considered valuable for defensive purposes. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:06:54 PM EDT
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJVvmeDF38c
Start at 19 minute mark. Alaskan native killing bear with an AR...  Worf: "Impossible!" (HD) |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:08:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not saying the Germans had much of a case. Just that their case wasn’t based on the shotgun being “too deadly”, but in fact just the opposite.  Now you Nancy boys brought up war in the first place. Then lets get back to across the room or down the hallway. OP and all. You think the wounding potential is greater or less so at 12 yds? How about 20yds? How about 50yds, sure as hell you will be hit, you might even be dead and all your dumb ass friends might have xtra hole in their ass.
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:09:17 PM EDT
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Based on your false dichotomies and poor guesswork, I'd say you'd be fucked either way. Might want to train more. Carry during the day, a pistol As to your "reply" Oh my, You seem so touchy touchy touchy.... Well seems like you think anyone who doesn't use an AR for any and all defense is going to die a gruesome death... |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:09:30 PM EDT
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Did anyone need "5.56 is like an icepick" for bingo? You guys busting out troll accounts to win the bingo game for this thread? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will a 5.56 that doesn't hit anything valuable kill faster than an ice pick? What's faster to hit with? A rifle or shotgun both have a longer sight radius (than a pistol) or could be "aimed" looking down the top of the barrel at room distances. First shot? Same. Second shot? Well, that's where the recoil comes in. A 3" 12 gauge is going to move around a tad more than an AR. Duh. So here's hoping your first shot did the trick. I doubt either is any easier or not to hit with the first time. To suggest one might be more likely to miss with a shotgun than a rifle is silly. People can miss with either. And do. People can hit with either and do. In my house, looking from the bedroom to the stairs, a there's a window. One or two panes of glass until you get to the neighbors house, then a typical frame/stucco wall and their kitchen or living room. I can pick the wrong round or the right round. How about that "barrier blind" that's been popular? Anything shot that way better stay in the target. All we get out of these arguments are the same old crap. Yeah, well, if you do this or do that then. No but you gotta to that and then this... One post and some simpleton is throwing out "troll" because his feelings are hurt. Jeez. Get a life. Go send beans to Chile. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:10:27 PM EDT
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Now you Nancy boys brought up war in the first place. What is the date?.......... THE YEAR!?! |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:11:16 PM EDT
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google 5.56 wounds, let us know? |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:12:28 PM EDT
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I'm not saying 5.56 is ineffective. 5.56 is definitely deadly, but 12 gauge will do more damage in a single shot at close range. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have. Lots of things. Have you ever shot anyone with 5.56? If we're talking home defense distances, it's potentially moving 3 times as fast as buck shot, and it stretches things like some organs until they don't want to stretch anymore, and the dude has an unusual amount of hemorrhaging going on in his life. 5.56 is definitely deadly, but 12 gauge will do more damage in a single shot at close range. Really should look at pictures of 5.56 wounds before making statements like that. I mean, buckshot leaves the same devastation as being hit with a few non-expanding .380 rounds (but in worse form factor projectile wise), so sure catching a lungfull is a game ender. But 5.56 leaves some fuck off nightmare fuel blow outs. |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:12:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A goose at 50 yards will do better than a 2 legged mammal @ 50 ft. (Or less in my home) An AR makes a nasty head wound but a direct hit with a shotty removes most of it. https://i.imgur.com/FAND3Nl.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/IseV7A2.jpg?1 |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: YOUVE NEVER SEEN WHAT A BEAR DOES WHEN SHOT FLOPPING A DOVE WITH ENERGIES AND 9 PELLETS. SLATHER YOURSELF UP WITH SALMON PEANUTS AND GET INTO THAT TERRAIN BROTHER! |
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Posted: 4/7/2019 9:13:39 PM EDT
[#50]
Now that I own 30 round mags....
My 590 is on backup My 16” AR is prima facie. Ar15 > shotgun |
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