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Posted: 3/7/2023 1:08:16 AM EDT
Starting this thread because my 11 year old son asked me why The Russians and Ukrainians are wearing American Camo. I thought it was a good question and one I noticed, but really hadn’t thought about.

I was a 19D from 08-12 (Garry Owen)! Way back in The UCP Days. (Which everyone hated, but myself and those in my platoon who found it quite effective in the Light snow covered, Mountains of AFG. In Iraq I could see why our guys stood out like a road flare. (We actually got a uniform called ‘Delta’ UCP which had a burnt orange pixels thrown in. Looked cool.

On 02/24/22 Ukraine had A unique Brown/Light Grey/Tan/Dark Grey Digital Design similar to UCP but better. I like the pattern. Russia came in swinging with the Ratnik/Digital Flora Micro Pattern. As time passed, Ratnik along with Modern kit started getting mixed in with older Russian and Soviet designs. By Summer/Fall Ukrainians started wearing Multicam, around the same time Russian soldiers did as well. So as of a year and 10 Days in, I’m seeing both sides primarily using Multicam (However I do still see some Ukrainians in the Digital Pattern. (As a bystander i appreciate the colored tape). Oddly enough I’ve seen UCP show up over the winter. Real deal U.S. UCP not the Ukrainian Digital, which is similar but different.

I’ve seen everyone from the Taliban, Iranians, Chinese and Russians wearing Multicam. I don’t like it.

Since adoption, the pattern has spread like wildfire. I used to think M81 Woodland was Global. Its reach pales in comparison to Multicam.

Should the US Army consider a change in camo to match possible future A/O’s and do what Canada does with CADPAT. (Basically make it vaporware unless issued to a member of the Canadian Military) That would however put a financial dent in companies who don’t have GOV Contracts but make good, Berry Compliant and usually better than issued gear but rely on profits from Civilian Sales in a big way.


Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:15:16 AM EDT
[#1]
If it's something new that works better it will probably be worn by Ukranians and Russians alike within a few months.

It does seem weird watching footage of them fighting each other with both sides sometimes looking straight up like American soldiers
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:22:11 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:23:33 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:24:13 AM EDT
[#4]
We should bring back M81 Woodland. Maybe also tiger stripe.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:25:37 AM EDT
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With today's technology, if a photo of a new pattern gets out it can be copied and on the market in a week.


If something better comes up change.  But if changing only because some body else has something similar don't waste the money and time to develop it.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:25:42 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:26:19 AM EDT
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They could go Norkish and totally disappear.

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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:28:45 AM EDT
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Oh goodie. Another ten year, multi billion dollar research project to get us something 90% the same as what we have…

Youngest daughter just bought some used ACU pants at Goodwill for four dollars. Have the A1C’s name in them.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:30:12 AM EDT
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There was a time where nearly everyone wore fatigues.  Perhaps fewer, but still a "lot" wore something that looked a lot like woodland.


Its the nature of things.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:31:24 AM EDT
[#10]
Bring back ERDL
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:35:21 AM EDT
[#11]
Practically everything we invent ends up getting copied over time so it really doesn't matter what we switch to (just like the old Woodland camo that UBL liked to wear). Hell, even the Iranians are sporting ACU/ABUs:



With that said, it would be cool to see Multicam in a Swedish Splinter pattern.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:35:29 AM EDT
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OD green and local dirt ftw.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:40:24 AM EDT
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This is the new fully woke U.S. military.

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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:41:49 AM EDT
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The Russians also use a darker green camo.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:42:08 AM EDT
[#15]
What was wrong with Olive Drab?
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:42:45 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:43:14 AM EDT
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Don't forget frogskin, aka duckhunter.

Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:48:06 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:51:30 AM EDT
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Yes. We should go to rainbow uniforms to support the trannys and gays. Or all black so we are not racist. That should please the only people that matter to the media, democrats, and military higher ops.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:52:20 AM EDT
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The US army should adopt some variants of flecktarn, an arid and a woodland.  When will they get into a war with Germany again?  

Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:56:07 AM EDT
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I always thought having reversible fall/spring and winter/summer camo was a good idea, like the Waffen-SS and Wehrmacht.





Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:56:59 AM EDT
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I own too much Crye G4 now, I don't want to have to rebuy it.  Oh wait, I was issued it...  Haha, poors, NEVERMIND.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 1:59:22 AM EDT
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I own too much Crye G4 now, I don't want to have to rebuy it.  Oh wait, I was issued it...  Haha, poors, NEVERMIND.
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I was issued my uniforms until I got my commission,  then I had to buy.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 2:01:09 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 2:31:20 AM EDT
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Again? Fuck no.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 2:40:50 AM EDT
[#26]
The Army just switched from Multicam to Scorpion
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 2:47:40 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 2:54:34 AM EDT
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Anybody got a link to a good site to shop various camo patterns?
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 2:59:25 AM EDT
[#29]
Yes. I think we also need to change the pinks and greens too. It’s been like 2 whole years.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 3:04:12 AM EDT
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Caleb Crye of Crye precision is a fucken retard who just couldn't be bothered to protect multicam.

He had some ideas to improve it and make it better.....but alas

Greg Thompson the other guy of Crye precision DID have good ideas.

But alas..when I attended their shot show parties......one of the reps. told me that they will ride and milk the multicam forever.

Link Posted: 3/7/2023 3:07:13 AM EDT
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Woodland camo was best camo.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 3:15:50 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 4:04:00 AM EDT
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That pattern has been around since like 2003...?

Army didn't want it.

Free for all.

Personally, I like ATACs, both uniforms based on ops.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 4:27:13 AM EDT
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Not in when deployed in desert regions.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 5:23:49 AM EDT
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All Ranger Green or Rhodesian Brushstroke.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 5:30:27 AM EDT
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That pattern has been around since like 2003...?

Army didn't want it.

Free for all.

Personally, I like ATACs, both uniforms based on ops.
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Right there with you. ATACS AU is my favorite. I like Macro patterns.

In the Summer i wear the pants, grey shirts, Ranger Green Chest Rig and ATACS Boonie/Helmet. Same combo works great in Winter.

Grey is a color that work’s really well to absorb/reflect colors and breakup one solid camo silhouette.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 5:34:37 AM EDT
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Bring it back

Link Posted: 3/7/2023 5:44:17 AM EDT
[#38]
#kryptekmasterrace

All others GTFO
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 6:29:20 AM EDT
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Right there with you. ATACS AU is my favorite. I like Macro patterns.

In the Summer i wear the pants, grey shirts, Ranger Green Chest Rig and ATACS Boonie/Helmet. Same combo works great in Winter.

Grey is a color that work’s really well to absorb/reflect colors and breakup one solid camo silhouette.
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I could have sworn I saw the Chechens wearing a version of ATACS.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 6:33:31 AM EDT
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Right there with you. ATACS AU is my favorite. I like Macro patterns.

In the Summer i wear the pants, grey shirts, Ranger Green Chest Rig and ATACS Boonie/Helmet. Same combo works great in Winter.

Grey is a color that work’s really well to absorb/reflect colors and breakup one solid camo silhouette.
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The damn Russians/Chechens stole ATACS as well.

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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 6:36:57 AM EDT
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This camo was worn by a Russian in a recent documentary I watched on YouTube. He was a truck driver that moonlighted as a game warden. The jacket he has on has USArmy on it and Airborne patch on the right sleeve. The vest, I’m not sure about either. Is the jacket some kind of novelty knock off?Attachment Attached File
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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 8:24:11 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/7/2023 8:25:25 AM EDT
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Thank God it’s just the ATACS FG.

No AU. I’m good ????

Speaking of new Uniforms, the Canadians have a new CADPAT color:

https://strikehold.net/2021/04/05/canadian-defence-forces-adopt-new-camouflage-pattern/
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 8:25:29 AM EDT
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Welcome back.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 8:29:31 AM EDT
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If it's something new that works better it will probably be worn by Ukranians and Russians alike within a few months.

It does seem weird watching footage of them fighting each other with both sides sometimes looking straight up like American soldiers
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So much tor ITAR. Oh, thats right, only WE can’t sell shit WE made to them.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 8:32:56 AM EDT
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ATACS FG IS the best camo…….period
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 8:37:46 AM EDT
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Problem solved. I love the tiger stripes.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 8:38:39 AM EDT
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Deer brown/tan camo is the best camo.

The animals can be 50 feet away and until they move they're invisible.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 8:39:52 AM EDT
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Tiger stripe FTW
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 8:42:47 AM EDT
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In the Republic of Ireland - they made it illegal for civilians to wear Irish pattern DPM clothing.

They do not sell surplus Irish Army uniform - destroying it instead.

You can buy it from Arktis in UK but not wear it in Ireland.
I believe the legislation was aimed at IRA impersonation of Irish Army troops ( they used to infiltrate FCA training grounds and steal weapons)
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