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Posted: 12/28/2019 3:40:56 PM EDT
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SPOILER ALERT That stupid, irrelevant subplot of the Mexican alien smuggling organization and especially that scumbag teenage alien smuggler was boring and had nothing to do with the main story. Instead of coming back at the end and offering to "train" the punk, he should have come back and terminated him for attempting to execute him.  Was he offering to train the punk? I saw it as he was seeking revenge (punk went from arrogant to crapping himself) to an extent and would probably kill the punk since he seemed to have immersed himself more deeply with gang lifestyle as evidenced by his tattoos. Killing wasn’t a certainty, just probable after interrogation. Basically keeping true to his motivations. His character was entirely revenge/vigilante driven but constrained by the big picture. Then again I’m probably borderline autistic and don’t pic up on many social clues. |
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Posted: 12/28/2019 3:49:12 PM EDT
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SPOILER CONTINUED Was he offering to train the punk? I saw it as he was seeking revenge (punk went from arrogant to crapping himself) to an extent and would probably kill the punk since he seemed to have immersed himself more deeply with gang lifestyle as evidenced by his tattoos. Killing wasn't a certainty, just probable after interrogation. Basically keeping true to his motivations. His character was entirely revenge/vigilante driven but constrained by the big picture. Then again I'm probably borderline autistic and don't pic up on many social clues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SPOILER ALERT That stupid, irrelevant subplot of the Mexican alien smuggling organization and especially that scumbag teenage alien smuggler was boring and had nothing to do with the main story. Instead of coming back at the end and offering to "train" the punk, he should have come back and terminated him for attempting to execute him. Was he offering to train the punk? I saw it as he was seeking revenge (punk went from arrogant to crapping himself) to an extent and would probably kill the punk since he seemed to have immersed himself more deeply with gang lifestyle as evidenced by his tattoos. Killing wasn't a certainty, just probable after interrogation. Basically keeping true to his motivations. His character was entirely revenge/vigilante driven but constrained by the big picture. Then again I'm probably borderline autistic and don't pic up on many social clues. If he wanted to erase the kid he wouldn't have walked into a public place with cameras all over the place, he would have left him dead in the desert like a cartel hit and never been caught or associated with it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2019 3:54:28 PM EDT
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It was ok. I think it would have been better received if the trailer didn’t make it seem like it was going to be totally different movie.
I was expecting to see the CIA and Alejandro take the fight to the cartels and Muslim terrorists in a big way. Instead we just get a little kidnap the kid and blame it on someone else thing. Pretty underwhelming storyline. |
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Posted: 12/28/2019 5:08:32 PM EDT
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I think SDOTS is good but it omits the part of the story where Alejandro crosses back into the US after his ordeal. We know he's cool and can do stuff but we're forced to use our imaginations when it comes to how he got home. |
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Posted: 12/28/2019 5:10:41 PM EDT
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It was ok. I think it would have been better received if the trailer didn’t make it seem like it was going to be totally different movie. I was expecting to see the CIA and Alejandro take the fight to the cartels and Muslim terrorists in a big way. Instead we just get a little kidnap the kid and blame it on someone else thing. Pretty underwhelming storyline. |
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Posted: 12/28/2019 5:17:58 PM EDT
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Meh.
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Posted: 12/29/2019 1:33:43 AM EDT
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I didn't think either one was that great.
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Posted: 12/29/2019 2:06:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2019 2:11:48 AM EDT
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Yeah, I didn't see him coming back to train up the Soldito, but perhaps to put him on another path, the kid was already emoed out from shooting Alejandro. If he wanted to erase the kid he wouldn't have walked into a public place with cameras all over the place, he would have left him dead in the desert like a cartel hit and never been caught or associated with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SPOILER ALERT That stupid, irrelevant subplot of the Mexican alien smuggling organization and especially that scumbag teenage alien smuggler was boring and had nothing to do with the main story. Instead of coming back at the end and offering to "train" the punk, he should have come back and terminated him for attempting to execute him. Was he offering to train the punk? I saw it as he was seeking revenge (punk went from arrogant to crapping himself) to an extent and would probably kill the punk since he seemed to have immersed himself more deeply with gang lifestyle as evidenced by his tattoos. Killing wasn't a certainty, just probable after interrogation. Basically keeping true to his motivations. His character was entirely revenge/vigilante driven but constrained by the big picture. Then again I'm probably borderline autistic and don't pic up on many social clues. If he wanted to erase the kid he wouldn't have walked into a public place with cameras all over the place, he would have left him dead in the desert like a cartel hit and never been caught or associated with it. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 2:19:18 AM EDT
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You’re blaming the actor.....blame the writers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's better simply because no Emily Blunt. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 2:32:01 AM EDT
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First was better. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 2:37:44 AM EDT
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I thoroughly enjoy the kill em all scene near the end.
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Posted: 12/29/2019 3:43:18 AM EDT
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I haven't watched the second one. Guess after mixed GD reviews I will need to make a determination on my own.
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Posted: 12/29/2019 3:55:58 AM EDT
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This movie sucks balls. No where near as good as first movie.
Kid is a fucking punk. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 4:16:03 AM EDT
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Ummmmmmm it's clearly not too fucking hard to get across the border. I mean look around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think SDOTS is good but it omits the part of the story where Alejandro crosses back into the US after his ordeal. We know he's cool and can do stuff but we're forced to use our imaginations when it comes to how he got home. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 6:05:48 AM EDT
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He could also turn him, get some intel and let the cartel deal with him when they find out. The only camera would be an iPhone in that scenario. Even if he was pissed about getting shot, we are left to speculate that maybe Alejandro needed a cat's paw within the cartel, and he probably thought he was too old (and too well known) to do it himself, so the kid who he knows is broken anyway would be an ideal candidate. If there is a third film, we will probably see Alejandro exact further revenge, and the kid will be in there somewhere to establish that plot. What happens and how that relationship is defined (fear, loyalty, pragmatism, regret, some mixture) will be up the writers. Hopefully they do a good job, because they are working with one hell of cast. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 6:22:59 AM EDT
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There were no “Time to meet God” type moments in part two. I liked it but it was definitely not as good as the first.
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Posted: 12/29/2019 6:26:25 AM EDT
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They should have done an origin story on Alejandro showing his family murdered and the events leading up to it and after.
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Posted: 12/29/2019 1:14:49 PM EDT
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They should have done an origin story on Alejandro showing his family murdered and the events leading up to it and after. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 1:33:09 PM EDT
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You are right.
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Posted: 12/29/2019 1:35:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Goes from covert CIA war against the cartels to a movie about two kids I don’t give a shit about. I can't ever remember what sicario ii was about |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 2:17:18 PM EDT
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I'm not as Arf-savvy enough to have totally ingested and recall everything about both films. Memory fails as to which film the border crossing was, one or two, but that scene was so intense it was palpable. It might have just been my personal fear of thinking about having to defend myself from inside a thin walled tin can (a car). Cars are not cover. The only time I've ever had to pull a gun in self defense was while trapped in my car. (in that situation, he was smart enough to know that a .38 pointed at him was superior to a knife and vacated)
The guys playing the cartel members in that scene are the ones who brought it to life. The desperation in their appearance and manner. Walking dead, already. It was like they honesty believed that drawing up on highly trained/motivated/armed professionals was a much easier fate than if they failed and survived. Better to take a bullet to the noggin than the long torture session they'd get from a pissed patron. That little no-no-you-don't head shake from the agent in glasses to the bandito he was covering was a good touch, too. You knew it would be over, right soon. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 2:39:21 PM EDT
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Out of curiosity, I checked the box offices this morning and I saw that these movies are making some money, although not crazy money.
The movies cost around $30 million and gross about $80 million so there's an audience for them. If they do make a 3rd one, I think they would be better off remembering what made the first one great and do more of that. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 2:39:57 PM EDT
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First was better. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 2:52:11 PM EDT
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I thought they were both awesome.
But I watch movies for their entertainment value. Not to uncover some greater introspective about myself or society, or to immerse myself in what the writer may have been trying to portray. My take on the kid at the end is Alejandro will use him as a tool. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 2:58:45 PM EDT
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Sequels always seem like a challenge to do.
It is an even bigger challenge when the first movie is directed by arguably the best director working right now. |
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Posted: 12/29/2019 3:05:34 PM EDT
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First was better. Second is pretty shitty but I gave it a pass because it’s just setting up the 3rd. Hopefully the 3rd will redeem the series. |
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Posted: 1/15/2020 9:20:47 AM EDT
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Just watched it.
Next time I get hurt really bad "Fucking Monday's!" |
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Posted: 1/15/2020 10:14:41 AM EDT
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I didn't think either one was that great. |
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