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Link Posted: 5/29/2012 7:51:35 AM EDT
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Ahhh Singapore... Fond memories of newton circus, orchard rd and great food. If I ever move overseas again it will be back to Singapore. Awesome pics! Make me miss it there




+1 for pepper crab and Dan Ryans!!! Lots of short girls with C-cup titties.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 7:55:32 AM EDT
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DSC_1971 by BQ-T, on Flickr


whats this?  giant flechette?

 

That vehicle is the locally developed TRAILBLAZER mine clearing vehicle and those spikes are lane markers.

From the promo material:
The TRAILBLAZER is the world’s first compact and fully tracked Military Load Class 30 armoured countermine vehicle, providing rapid mine clearing capability in the battlefield with its superior protective armour and mobility. The groundbreaking design of the TRAILBLAZER allows for quick deployment and stowage using automated controls, combining speed and efficiency in clearing a safe route through minefields. Its three main systems – the Flail System, the Kinetics Route Indicator System and the Hydro-Mechanical Infinitely Variable Transmission – improve the survivability and operational capability of the crew.


This video would provide more information on that vehicle.
Up The Beaten Path - Trailblazer Counter-Mine Vehicle
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTNFxdY7K0[/youtube]

Could a Team member help embed the video. Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 8:11:05 AM EDT
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I would say that Singapore should be grateful to the U.S. for what they have.


Grateful? They bought all that equipment with their own money.


You know...the whole WW2 thing with the japs taking Singapore, then us fighting them.


Can't you just thank the OP for posting the pics?

Thanks OP.  OP is in the Singapore Army IIRC.


No people around here need their daily dose of butthurt. Nice pics OP Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 8:13:19 AM EDT
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Great thread!
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 8:15:20 AM EDT
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I would say that Singapore should be grateful to the U.S. for what they have.


Grateful? They bought all that equipment with their own money.


You know...the whole WW2 thing with the japs taking Singapore, then us fighting them.


Can't you just thank the OP for posting the pics?


Some people need a daily dose of confirmation.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 8:18:39 AM EDT
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[email=http://www.flickr.com/photos/61892799@N08/7294454960/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7230/7294454960_630f4c69a4_z.jpg[/email]

DSC_1971 by BQ-T, on Flickr





whats this?  giant flechette?



 


That vehicle is the locally developed TRAILBLAZER mine clearing vehicle and those spikes are lane markers.



From the promo material:


The TRAILBLAZER is the world’s first compact and fully tracked Military Load Class 30 armoured countermine vehicle, providing rapid mine clearing capability in the battlefield with its superior protective armour and mobility. The groundbreaking design of the TRAILBLAZER allows for quick deployment and stowage using automated controls, combining speed and efficiency in clearing a safe route through minefields. Its three main systems – the Flail System, the Kinetics Route Indicator System and the Hydro-Mechanical Infinitely Variable Transmission – improve the survivability and operational capability of the crew.





This video would provide more information on that vehicle.

Up The Beaten Path - Trailblazer Counter-Mine Vehicle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTNFxdY7K0



Could a Team member help embed the video. Thanks.


darn, not giant flechettes













 
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 8:18:57 AM EDT
[#7]
Is that an ultimax? I've always wanted to know if they really lived up to the hype.

Cool pics

ETA: kind of weird to see a maxxpro in there!
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 8:23:27 AM EDT
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cool stuff!
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 8:33:05 AM EDT
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Tag
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 8:39:00 AM EDT
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Is it wrong that one of the first things I noticed was the brass catcher on that rifle and I thought- Hmm, that's so they don't leave brass everywhere and get fined.  

Singapore take a lot of pride in their military and they seem to be justified.  Malaysia has enough of their own problems right now so I doubt invading Singapore is anywhere near the top of their list of things to do.  Maybe they could send their surface subs* over though.  


*Malaysia recently bought several subs from the French; there was apparently a lot of corruption involved and the subs have some issues with diving.  
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 8:39:10 AM EDT
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Purty equipment.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 8:51:26 AM EDT
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Wonderful photos, thank you for sharing OP!
 
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 9:01:24 AM EDT
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Just how do you defend a city state in the modern world?


I'm pretty sure their defensive strategy is to meet the threat on the mainland. Their F-15SGs have plenty of range as well and they be getting F-35s to eventually replace their F-5S.


 The color is pretty neat,pretty close to the Israeli gray-green.

 Pretty interesting juxtaposition of ithe AMX-13 and the Leopard with upgrayedds.






 It's an RSAF Chinook over New Orleans following Katrina,just a reminder for the those that think every country is a freedom leech
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 9:05:36 AM EDT
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If you're curious as to how and why things are with the Singapore Armed Forces, the following article might answer it.

A deep, dark, secret love affair
A team of IDF officers, known as the `Mexicans,' helped Singapore establish an army. It was the start of a very special relationship.

Christmas Eve, 1965, is the unofficial date of the start of the great and continuing love story between Israel and Singapore, a love affair that was kept a deep, dark secret. The international press, like the Israeli media, tried to bring the tale to light. Occasionally, scraps of information leaked out; some were published, some were denied, many were disregarded. The Israelis, as usual, wanted to rush to tell all their friends, but managed to overcome that desire. The fear that the thies would be terminated if they became public knowledge had its effect. Israel imposed a total blackout on the story and the secret was preserved. Until the other side could no longer contain itself.

In his book, "From Third World to First: The Singapore Story 1965-2000," published in 2000, Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's founding father and its first prime minister, disclosed the secret that had been kept for almost 40 years: It was the Israel Defense Forces that established the Singaporean army. The Israeli military mission was headed by Yaakov (Jack) Elazari, then a colonel, who was later promoted to brigadier general. After leaving the army, he became a consultant to the Singaporean army. Hedied 15 years ago. "To disguise their presence, we called them `Mexicans.' They looked swarthy enough," Lee wrote.

Singapore's army is today considered the strongest and most advanced of the military forces in Southeast Asia. The alliance between the Israeli and Singaporean defense establishments intensified and expanded, and it now encompasses cooperation between the two countries' military industries, as well. The scope of the deals, according to foreign sources, indicates that the Singaporean army is one of the major clients of Israeli combat means and military technology. Singapore's aircraft industry is cooperating with its Israeli counterpart and with Elbit Systems in upgrading the F-5 warplanes of the Turkish Air Force. A few years ago, Singapore's defense minister revealed that the Gil antitank missile, which is manufactured by Raphael (Israel Armaments Development Authority), was developed in cooperation between the two countries.

Surrounded by Muslims

Lee explained the need to maintain secrecy to his close friend in the leadership, and the first defense minister in his government, Dr. Goh Keng Swee. "We have to ensure, as far as possible, that the arrival of the Israelis will not become public knowledge, in order not to arouse opposition among the Malay Muslims who live in Malaysia and Singapore," the prime minister summed up. That, in essence, is Singapore's problem. The residents of the small island, which has an area of about 670 square kilometers (Israel is 30 times as large), are mainly Chinese, and they live between the two Muslim countries of Malaysia and Indonesia. Life in the shadow of the large Muslim majority and fear of a Malaysian incursion are an integral part of the history of the two countries. Until 1965, Singapore was part of Malaysia. In that year, the British government decided to withdraw from all its colonies east of the Suez Canal. In a rapid process it was decided to sever Singapore from Malaysia and to establish it as a new and separate country.

Singapore declared its independence on August 9, 1965. At the time of its creation, it had only two infantry regiments, which had been established and were commanded by British officers. Two-thirds of the soldiers were not residents of Singapore, and in any event the leaders of the nascent state had no faith in the strength of the minuscule army. The defense minister, Goh, contacted Mordechai Kidron, the former Israeli ambassador to Thailand, and asked for assistance. Kidron arrived in Singapore within days, along with Hezi Carmel of the Mossad. "Goh told us that they think that only Israel, a small country surrounded by Muslim countries, with a strong army, could help them build a small, dynamic army," Carmel says. The two Israelis met with Lee, who writes that he "told Keng Swee to put it on hold until Lal Bahadur Shastri, the prime minister of India, and President Nasser of Egypt replied to my letters seeking their urgent help to build up our armed forces."

It's not clear whether Lee, in fact, believed India and Egypt were capable of, or interested in, building up Singapore's army. Many Israelis believe the two leaders were approached only for appearance's sake. After a few weeks of waiting, India and Egypt congratulated Singapore on its independence but did not offer military aid. Lee ordered Goh to push ahead in contacts with the Israelis.

At the same time, in the wake of reports sent by Kidron and Carmel, the Israeli defense establishment deployed to supply military aid to Singapore. In discussions conducted by the chief of staff, Yitzhak Rabin, with the participation of the deputy chief of staff and head of the Operations Branch, Ezer Weizmann, it was decided to make Major General Rehavam Ze'evi, who was then deputy head of the Operations Branch, responsible for building the Singaporean army. Ze'evi (nicknamed "Gandhi" ) paid a secret visit to Singapore and the preparatory work began on his return. "Gandhi said he wanted to create an ideal army for Singapore, something we hadn't built here," Carmel says. "Instead of setting up a Defense Ministry and a General Staff, Gandhi suggested an integrated organization, a more economical structure. So there wouldn't be too many generals and too few soldiers."

Ze'evi appointed Elazari, who worked under him in the Operations Branch, as head of the team he established. Lieutenant Colonel Yehuda Golan, then-commander of an armored division (he retired from the IDF with the rank of brigadier general), was subsequently added to the team. Some members of the team "concentrated on writing the chapters that dealt with building army bases. I wrote the chapters dealing with the establishment of an infantry," Golan says. Initially they produced the "Brown Book," dealing with combat doctrine, followed by the "Blue Book," dealing with the creation of the Defense Ministry and intelligence bodies. The Brown Book was translated into English and sent to Singapore's government for its perusal. In October 1965, a military delegation from Singapore arrived in Israel.

"The delegation arrived in order to tell us: `Well done, but to implement the book, you are invited to come to Singapore,'" Golan recalls. Prior to setting out, the members of the military mission were invited to the chief of staff's bureau. "Dear friends," Rabin said, "I want you to remember several things. One, we are not going to turn Singapore into an Israeli colony. Your task is to teach them the military profession, to put them on their legs so they can run their own army. Your success will be if at a certain stage they will be able to take the wheel and run the army by themselves. Second, you are not going there in order to command them but to advise them. And third, you are not arms merchants. When you recommend items to procure, use the purest professional military judgment. I want total disregard of their decision as to whether to buy here or elsewhere."

Wake-up at 5:30

On December 24, 1965, about five months after Singapore became an independent state, six IDF officers and their families set out on an unknown mission. "Elazari and two other officers dealt with the establishment of the Defense Ministry," Golan relates. "My task, along with three other officers, was to establish the army."

Elazari operated according to a number of basic principles, from which the original Israeli team and those who followed did not deviate. The first was to build up a cadre of local commanders and instructors. The second was that the instructional material would be written by the cadets who would be trained as officers. And the third was that practical training would be conducted by Singaporean instructors.

"We wanted to recruit a group of 40-50 people who had some sort of military experience and would be ready to serve in a career army," Golan explains. "We organized things so that they would appoint one of their number to serve as commander. As head of the group, the cadets chose someone of Indian origin named Kirpa Ram Vij, who would eventually become chief of staff of the Singapore Armed Forces. For three months we gave an intensified officers course."

The first course had an IDF format: wake-up at 5:30 A.M., calisthenics, personal arrangements, parade. Training began at 7:30 A.M. and went until 1 A.M. "After a few days of training a group of cadets showed up and said, `Colonel Golan, the Arabs aren't sitting on our heads here. What do we need this madness for?' I called Elazari and explained the situation. He arrived a few days later with Defense Minister Dr. Goh, who told the cadets, `Do what Colonel Golan tells you to do, otherwise you will do double.'"

Parallel to conducting the course, the Israeli team supervised the establishment of the first military base, based on plans of the Israeli Engineering Corps. Construction of the base was completed in three months.

In under a year, the Israeli team conducted a course for new recruits, a platoon commanders course and an officers course, on the basis of plans that were sent from Israel. All told, about 200 commanders were trained.

Jobless instead of soldiers

Once the staff of commanders was ready, it was possible to start creating the standing army on the basis of conscription. The Israelis prepared to establish two more infantry regiments, according to the IDF model, with each regiment consisting of three companies of riflemen, an auxiliary company and an administrative company - a total of 600 soldiers. Lieutenant Colonel Moshe Shefi, who was an instructor in a company commanders course, was sent as an adviser. "We discovered that there was psychological resistance to conscription in Singapore," he relates. "Of 10 professions, that of soldier was ranked last. In first place was the artist, followed by the philosopher, the teacher and the merchant, and the thief was in ninth place. Soldiering was considered a contemptible profession. In Singapore, conscription was considered a means to overcome unemployment."

The Israelis faced a problem. To evade service, most of the young men of draft age (18-24) who were of Chinese origin furnished proof that they were employed. Some 70 percent of the inductees were unemployed and of Malaysian origin - the opposite of their proportion within the population. Elazari and Golan complained to Lee and Goh, but the prime minister was undeterred. "I want you to recruit the most primitive people in the country, the uneducated and the jobless," he told them. Stunned, the Israelis tried to persuade him to reconsider, but he was adamant: "In the Second World War, I saw the Japanese and the British. All the British soldiers were intelligent and educated. But as soldiers they were worthless. The most primitive Japanese soldier gets an order and executes it, and they were extraordinary soldiers. The fact is that the Japanese army defeated the British army."

Golan says, "Yaakov and I tried to explain to him that it's not a question of education but of motivation. The Japanese soldier was motivated because he was fighting for his emperor, who for him was God. For him, he was ready to sacrifice his life. What motivation did the British soldier have, who fought thousands of kilometers from his home?" The explanations about the spirit of combat and about how to generate motivation persuaded Lee.

Along with the two tracks of compulsory service and career army, Singapore also adopted the IDF's model of reserve service. Every soldier who completed his regular service was obligated to serve another 13 years, until the age of 33. A system to mobilize the reserves was established and the Defense Ministry carried out surprise call-up exercises. Because of its small size and its lack of areas for live-fire training, Singapore had to establish training bases in friendly neighboring countries.

Surprise tanks

The unquiet in Singapore, and above all the fear of an invasion by Malay forces, together with the rapid development of the Singaporean army, generated additional needs. With the creation of the infantry, the Israeli team made an in-depth study of the battles fought by the Japanese in Southeast Asia during World War II and of how they succeeded in invading Malaysia and Singapore. Shefi was given the task of delivering a talk on the subject to Singapore's government.

On the basis of the lessons the Israelis drew from the engagements fought by Japan and Britain, they created a naval force based on sampans. "The boats were made of wood and could carry 10 to 15 soldiers, and they were appropriate for the conditions of the sea and for the jungle rivers," Golan says. "On a stormy sea they can be operated with oars or a motor. We asked the Singaporeans to purchase 20 boats and we set up a small base where infantry companies trained in raids and navigation."

Retired Colonel Asher Dar says, "The second team that arrived in Singapore applied what Yehuda Golan did in the form of combat doctrine. We trained in flanking maneuvers with small boats and in live fire using artillery. When the head of the training department, Yitzhak Hofi, visited Singapore, we carried out a model landing of an infantry brigade that set sail in boats at night at a distance of 12 kilometers with the aid of shore navigation only."

The waiting period in Israel on the eve of the 1967 Six-Day War was a rough time for the Israeli team in Singapore. "We were relieved the Israelis were not defeated or our SAF [Singapore Armed Forces] would have lost confidence" in the Israeli instructors, Lee writes. In January 1968, Singapore decided to create an armored corps. In great secrecy, an agreement was signed for the purchase of 72 AMX-13 light tanks from IDF surplus. It was a bold decision: Malaysia, the country's large neighbor, didn't have tanks.

On Independence Day, August 9, 1969, a major surprise awaited the invited guests, including the defense minister of Malaysia: 30 tanks rolled past the reviewing stand. "It had a dramatic effect," Lee writes. Malaysia had cause for concern. Its defense minister recommended to his guests that they take steps to persuade the Malaysian government that its intentions were not hostile.

In the wake of the Israeli victory in 1967, the veil of secrecy over the ties between the two countries was lifted a bit. The Singapore delegate at the United Nations abstained in a vote on a resolution condemning Israel that was sponsored by the Arab states. Contacts began to establish full diplomatic relations. In October 1968, Lee permitted Israel to establish a trade mission and in May 1969 authorization was given for the establishment of an Israeli embassy in Singapore. The status of the Israeli military mission to Singapore was also strengthened, and the mission heads who followed held brigadier general rank. The first Israeli military delegation laid the foundations for an extensive network of relations between Israel and Singapore.

Foundations of the air force

The small Israeli team in Singapore was augmented by professional military advisers for the various corps. The chief armored corps officer, Major General Avraham Adan, arrived to give advice on procuring armored vehicles. In 1968, Adam Tzivoni, a retired colonel who had been head of the planning and weapons branch in the air force, was appointed adviser to the Singapore Armed Forces in regard to the creation of an air force.

"As compensation for the hasty departure of the British army, the British government gave Singapore a grant of 50 million pounds to acquire British-made aerial systems: planes, helicopters and surface-to-air missiles," Tzivoni relates. "The British didn't like me at all. My first task was to approve the deals. It turned out that the English tried to sell Singapore junk. Apart from a deal for Hunters, I vetoed all the deals."

Under Tzivoni's supervision, a flight school was established in Singapore, as well as a technical school, a squadron of Alouette 3 helicopters was purchased and 40 mm anti-aircraft guns were acquired.

Uzis and Israeli marching songs

After the creation of the Singaporean army's infantry regiments, the question arose of what weapons the nascent armed forces would use. The commanding officers wanted the Uzi, the Israeli submachine gun. The Israeli team took an objective view and rejected the idea. True, the Uzi was considered a superb weapon in the 1960s, but only for short ranges. A regular army needs an assault rifle, the Israeli team asserted. Representatives of Israel Military Industries exerted pressure on the Defense Ministry to sell the new Galil assault rifle. However, the team decided that the rifle wasn't yet full ready and recommended the American M-16.

Another major headache for the Israelis concerned the decision about which mortars to procure for the new army. Infantry regiments are equipped with 60 - 52 mm and 18 mm mortars. The weapons, which were developed and manufactured by the Soltam company, based in the town of Yokne'am, were sold to the Israel Defense Forces and exported worldwide. "Even though we thought these were the best mortars, we decided not to recommend them but to make use of an independent source in order to reach a decision," says Yehuda Golan, a member of the team sent to Singapore.

The Israeli team asked a British firm that dealt in organization and consultation on military subjects to examine a series of mortars and recommend the best one. The report stated that the best of the lot was an 18 mm mortar manufactured in Britain. However, considering the price, the recommendation was to buy the Soltam product. The Singapore Armed Forces acquired the Israeli mortar.

"The Israelis emphasized military skills and high motivation. Smartness on parade and military tattoo, the SAF [Singapore Armed Forces] never learned from the `Mexicans.' Whatever smartness the SAF had" derived from the British officers who commanded the army's first two regiments, Lee writes.

"Our motto was that we would not stick our nose into what the Singaporeans could do themselves," Golan notes. "They wanted us to organize the Independence Day parade for them. We argued that a state military parade reflects the country's mentality and its history." The Singaporeans didn't make an issue of it. However, they had a problem that demanded an immediate solution - which marches to play as the soldiers marched in unison. The head of the Israeli mission, Yaakov Elazari, brought notes from Israel and the Singapore army strode to Israeli marching songs.

The jungle combat manual

The Singaporeans took the Israelis by surprise when they insisted on getting a course on jungle combat. Singapore has a tiny natural jungle of no more than five or six square kilometers, but the neighboring states have larger jungles. Yehuda Golan: "I told them they were right but that I wasn't the right guy, because I knew nothing about jungles." Nevertheless, the Israeli team began to find out how to cope with the subject. It was decided to send two Singapore officers as guests of the Malaysian army for a course on jungle combat.

"Three months later, the two officers returned with the knowledge they acquired in Malaysia, and we decided to conduct a course in jungle combat," Golan continues. "Out of curiosity, I decided to join. It looked very bad - it was clear that they had taught them British methods from the Second World War period. I decided to take a group of 10 officers. We entered the jungle and started to engage in war games. We trained in navigation, deploying forces, search and assault. We went through the American training manuals on combat in Vietnam. We developed methods of night navigation. We learned how to function with a fighting company in the dense undergrowth. After a few weeks of training, I wrote the training manual of the Singapore Armed Forces for jungle combat."




GO ISRAEL!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 9:13:50 AM EDT
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Those pics are awesome! I wan one of those tracked LMTV looking thingies!
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 9:32:38 AM EDT
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one way or another the US is hooking them up
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 10:15:35 AM EDT
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one way or another the US is hooking them up


Singapore has a higher per capita income than us.They pay for their equipment they get from us.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 10:18:10 AM EDT
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Cool thread
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 10:22:14 AM EDT
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I demand more pics of the AMX 13-90.

























Please.  
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 3:59:43 PM EDT
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I demand more pics of the AMX 13-90.



Please.  





DSC_2249 by BQ-T, on Flickr


DSC_2248 by BQ-T, on Flickr
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 4:05:29 PM EDT
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9th pic down on page one. Any more pics of whatever that is?



ETA: Never mind. I guess it's the Leopard Tank retriever.

Link Posted: 5/29/2012 4:09:37 PM EDT
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That H&K 416 with the security cable through the trigger guard is just a push pin away from being stolen   Best to thread it through the chamber and out the ejection port.

Great photos! Thank you!
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 4:11:31 PM EDT
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Originally Postedy  By steve2071:
These guys seem pretty squared away.


There were two guys from Singapore in my Ranger School, and they were squared away.  One of them candled his chute on the jump into Mountain Phase.  He manually pulled his chute back in and redeployed it with success.  They knew how to patrol, and were adept at field craft.  They are guys I'd want on my side in a fight.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 4:17:31 PM EDT
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Great stuff, thanks.
 
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 5:21:06 PM EDT
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9th pic down on page one. Any more pics of whatever that is?

This pic?

DSC_2132 by BQ-T, on Flickr

That would be the Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier

The Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier (ATTC) is a twin chassis multi-purpose articulated tracked carrier jointly developed by ST Kinetics and the Defence Science & Technology Agency (DSTA) for the Singapore Army. The variant ordered for the British Army are dubbed the Warthog.



DSC_2136 by BQ-T, on Flickr


DSC_2135 by BQ-T, on Flickr


DSC_2133 by BQ-T, on Flickr


DSC_2134 by BQ-T, on Flickr

Here's a video from British Forces News on their variant of the Bronco (Warthog) in Afghanistan
British Forces News: Warthog in demand as Viking is replaced
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkDcuNrazAY[/youtube]
Help embed, thanks.

Warthog All Terrain Protected Mobility Vehicle

Warthog All Terrain Protected Mobility Vehicle by Defence Images, on Flickr

In December 2010, British Army soldier—Lance Corporal William Reeks survived an IED attack after the Warthog he was travelling in set off a 50 kg (110 lb) improvised explosive device. His family believes that the stronger armour of the Warthogs, which replaced less heavily fortified Viking armoured vehicles, helped save their son's life.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 5:33:40 PM EDT
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Thanks for the pics Raptor.

How large is Singapore's army?

Does the navy have as up to date equipment as the army?
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 5:40:06 PM EDT
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Thanks for the pics Raptor.

How large is Singapore's army?

Does the navy have as up to date equipment as the army?


Yes. They are getting better as well.

In the next decade, Singapore and Australia will be the prime bulwarks against Chinese adventurism, backed by the US. All three countries are more interoperable IMO than all but a few NATO countries.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 5:44:53 PM EDT
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I have seen Singapore AF pilots here at Rucker learning to fly Chinooks.


Their Lawn Dart drivers are trained at Luke AFB, AZ and their F-15SG crews at Mountain Home AFB, ID.





Awesome pics Raptor!  Got any F-15SG pics?
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 5:45:46 PM EDT
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I demand more pics of the AMX 13-90.



Please.  




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DSC_2249 by BQ-T, on Flickr

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DSC_2248 by BQ-T, on Flickr



Nice.  The AMX 13 is an interesting little tank.  
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 5:46:54 PM EDT
[#30]
It must of sucked big time cleaning all that equipment to make it so nice and pretty.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 5:49:29 PM EDT
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How large is Singapore's army?


Not sure of the exact number, but off the internet "the SAF relies heavily on a large pool of conscripts in the active and reserve forces. It has an active strength of around 71,600 personnel and is capable of mobilising over 350,000 reservists."

The bulk of the population have served or are serving in the military at any time, so in terms of numbers we've got a lot.

Despite small size, Singapore is heavily armed

Associated Press
Singapore

By ANNA SATHIAH Associated Press Writer

FOR decades, this small city-state has been an oasis of peace and prosperity in southeast Asia, a region known for its poverty and instability.

A string of Western corporations opened regional headquarters here, knowing its free-market economy, modern infrastructure, shopping malls and top-flight health care would make executives and their families feel right at home.

Yet, despite that calm, Singapore spends more on defense than many of its much bigger neighbors. Its multibillion-dollar defense budget pays for modern tanks, warplanes and submarines for its military and nuclear fallout shelters for civilians.

By any measure, its defense capabilities are huge for a country that is one-15,000th the size of the United States.

Its military "is quite substantial and out of proportion to the military threat" in the region, says Robert Karniol, the Asia-Pacific editor for Jane's Defense Weekly, a respected defense journal.

Nearly 10 percent of its 3.2 million people are in the military - 50,000 as full-time professionals and 250,000 on standby as reservists. By comparison, neighboring Malaysia has a military estimated at 115,000 men and Indonesia has about 300,000.

Singapore's strong emphasis on defense through deterrence is the result of its turbulent history.

The island still has bad memories from World War II, when Japanese troops invaded the then British colony from Malaya. In 1965, two years have being cut loose by London, it was expelled from the Malaysian federation, with which it has had periodic disputes.

Since then, Singapore has kept a wary eye on the region, which has seen major wars in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, political instability in Thailand and ethnic and political unrest in Malaysia, Indonesia and Myanmar.

As a state with an ethnic Chinese majority, it sits nervously between its two much bigger direct neighbors, Malaysia and Indonesia, which have large Muslim majorities.

Despite its limited resources, space and manpower, Singapore has made defense a key pillar of its national agenda. A Defense Ministry manual titled "Defending Singapore in the 21st Century" clearly defines the goal: total defense that encompasses all aspects of society.

Constitutionally, the government can spend up to 6 percent of the nation's gross domestic product on defense each year. For the current financial year, the defense budget totals S$7.4 billion (US$ 4.3 billion), or within the 4 percent-5 percent range of recent years.

By comparison, Thailand's current military spending is 1.5 percent of GDP, Malaysia's is 2.1 percent and Indonesia's 1.7 percent, according to official reports and estimates.

Singapore keeps its military up to strength with the draft, while most countries in the region, including Malaysia and Indonesia, do not have compulsory military service.

Every able-bodied Singaporean male must do 2 or 2 1/2 years of full-time military duty. Afterward, he undergoes annual training for 13 years. Warrant officers and specialist remain liable for service until age 40 and officers until age 50.

Military service is tough, Jason Ng, a 26-year-old who now works in sales and marketing, says of his army stint that began six years ago.

"They really push you to the limit," he says.

Singapore's current focus is on boosting military technology and strengthening defense ties with other countries to better cope with future conflicts as well as unconventional threats such as terrorism and cyber-crime.

The island has military ties with many other countries and with alliances such as the Five Power Defense Arrangement - which includes Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Britain - and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

Singapore also has agreements that allow it to train its servicemen in other countries and store some of its military equipment there.

"Little red dot" Singapore now an international military player

Agence France Presse
September 22, 2005
SINGAPORE

FROM tsunami-hit Aceh to hurricane-battered New Orleans, Singapore's role in international relief efforts has thrown the spotlight on the city-state's rise as a Southeast Asian military power.

Thanks to billions of dollars in defense spending powered by explosive economic growth, the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) has left its neighbors behind in terms of sheer firepower, although it has yet to be tested in combat.

"The SAF lacks operational experience no doubt, but in terms of its training, its military hardware, and its doctrines, it is certainly the most developed and mature conventional military force in Southeast Asia," said Assistant Professor Bernard Loo, a military analyst in Singapore.

Singapore's new arms orders will further reinforce its position.

The ministry of defense has announced that it is negotiating with Boeing to buy a squadron of F-15 Eagle fighters, just two months after taking delivery of the first of six "stealth" frigates from French contractor DCN.

The fighter and frigate deals are estimated to be worth US$1 billion US dollars each. The F-15 will replace an older generation of fighters and join F-16s already in Singapore's arsenal.

Singapore has been spending around six percent of gross domestic product –– its total economic output –– annually on defense, a legacy of its vulnerable early days as a republic.

In the fiscal year to March 2006, its defense budget is S$9.26 billion (US$5.5 billion), up 7.4 percent from a year ago and accounting for almost a third of the national budget.

The island once contemptuously dismissed by former Indonesian president BJ Habibie as a "little red dot" on the map came to its giant neighbor's aid last December when a tsunami struck Aceh province, leaving some 131,000 people dead.

The SAF's C130 transport aircraft, heavy naval vessels and Super Puma and Chinook helicopters threw a lifeline to Aceh's survivors in the crucial days before a massive global relief effort could be launched.

The role was repeated on a smaller scale when Singapore's Texas-based Chinook helicopters helped in the post-hurricane relief efforts in New Orleans.

Four Chinooks flew more than 80 sorties, transporting over 800 evacuees and security personnel and more than 540 tonnes of equipment, humanitarian supplies and sand in the Hurricane Katrina disaster zone.

Because of its limited land area and air space, Singapore has to station some of its air assets in friendly countries like the United States, Australia and France for training.

Singapore has also played a minor role supporting US forces in the Gulf. Last weekend, a KC-135 refuelling aircraft returned here after completing a three-month mission with the multinational reconstruction effort in Iraq.

While untested in combat, analysts say the SAF has become a formidable force thanks to compulsory military service, in addition to the hardware.

All able-bodied Singaporean men including permanent residents are required to undergo two years of full-time National Service training, followed by regular refresher courses until they are in their mid-30s.

This gives Singapore, which has only 3.4 million citizens and permanent residents, a pool of some 350,000 reservists who can, at least in theory, be mobilized within hours for combat.

Robert Karniol, Asia-Pacific editor of the military affairs journal Jane's Defence Weekly, said only Vietnam among the Southeast Asian nations could possibly be a military match for Singapore.

"In terms of a standing army and combat capability, the Vietnamese armed forces have an awful lot of combat experience which the Singaporeans don't," he said. "The Singaporeans have proven to be capable when called upon, but they've never been able to do anything as complex as the Vietnamese have."

Before building up its firepower to current levels, Singapore used to follow a "poisoned shrimp" doctrine, he said.

"We're small but if you try to eat us, you will get very sick," Karniol said, summing up the philosophy.

"But it's not a relevant policy anymore because the SAF have become increasingly more powerful and their primary function as with any military force is to deter attack and if attacked to defeat an attack."

The SAF was a puny force in the early years after Singapore was ejected from the Malaysian federation in 1965 and its survival as a republic was in doubt.

When other countries refused to help, Israel sent military advisers but they were officially disguised as Mexicans to avoid offending Singapore's Muslim neighbors.

"They looked swarthy enough," independence leader Lee Kuan Yew wrote in his memoirs.

Abdul Razak Baginda, executive director of the Malaysian Strategic Research Centre, maintained that Singapore still has an "Israeli siege mentality".

"That mentality is I think embedded in the psyche of the Singapore leadership, the Singapore people and the military," he said. "Singapore is surrounded by the Malay world."

But others point out that instead of a hardline stance, Singapore has opted for what Karniol called "defense diplomacy" to enhance its security.

"It effectively involves using your armed forces as one of your tools of diplomacy. It's an established function for armed forces, except that the Singaporeans are much better at it."

Singaporean analyst Loo of the Nanyang Technological University said the city-state "has always maintained that it sees no direct military threats coming from the region of Southeast Asia".

"Its deterrent posture is one of general deterrence, derived from the basic assumption that international politics is one of self-help, and if ever a direct military threat arose, the country would then need a strong, well-trained SAF that can deter a more immediate military threat."

Quoted:
Does the navy have as up to date equipment as the army?

Short answer yes.

Defense spending is spread out fairly evenly among the various services.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 5:57:28 PM EDT
[#32]


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Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:02:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I demand more pics of the AMX 13-90.



Please.  




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DSC_2249 by BQ-T, on Flickr

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DSC_2248 by BQ-T, on Flickr


That is such a bad assed tank You made my day with the pics of the AMX 13
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:05:11 PM EDT
[#34]
Anyone who thinks the Singaporeans have no military threat gets a NO-GO in geography.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:09:36 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Great pics OP, thanks for posting.


Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:15:08 PM EDT
[#36]
Great Pics!!!   They look very professional and well equipped
 
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:22:45 PM EDT
[#37]
Killer thread!
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:29:39 PM EDT
[#38]
I am shocked...those guys have some badass hardware.  Good on them!
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:39:00 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/content/dam/imindef_media_library/photos/news_release/2005/sep/0010.res?direct=1

 It's an RSAF Chinook over New Orleans following Katrina,just a reminder for the those that think every country is a freedom leech


RSAF has a small training squadron based in CONUS - they were the first heavy lift helicopters to deploy after Katrina. Very good ally, with VERY good taste in hardware, and they take their training seriously.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:44:13 PM EDT
[#40]
Raptor937, I am most impressed. A very proud, capable military. Are the SAF still flying the A4S Skyhawks at all? Great pictures, great info. I have learned a great deal in this thread. Thank you!
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:45:53 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
I am shocked...those guys have some badass hardware.  Good on them!


I'm neither shocked nor surprised. They have survived almost 40 years as a nation sandwiched in between Malaysia and Indonesia. That takes some doing.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:54:07 PM EDT
[#42]
Is the FN 5.7 pistol a fielded military weapon there?

Thank you for the nice pictures.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 6:56:49 PM EDT
[#43]
great eye, great pictures - thanks for sharing!
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 7:11:03 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
Raptor937, I am most impressed. A very proud, capable military. Are the SAF still flying the A4S Skyhawks at all? Great pictures, great info. I have learned a great deal in this thread. Thank you!

The A4s were retired a few years ago, a number of them were sent to schools and museums as display pieces.

The squadrons that flew them switched to flying F16s.

Thank you and you're welcome.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 7:36:44 PM EDT
[#45]
You go through the Brit's fort? They have it set up to show what life was like for the garrison troops there. Pretty sweet. The guns pointing out to sea was instructive too.
Link Posted: 5/29/2012 11:14:46 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
You go through the Brit's fort? They have it set up to show what life was like for the garrison troops there. Pretty sweet. The guns pointing out to sea was instructive too.

You mean Fort Siloso? I went there before, but haven't been back for many years.

Quoted:
Is that an ultimax? I've always wanted to know if they really lived up to the hype.


DSC_2063 by BQ-T, on Flickr

Well as an Ultimax 100 SAW gunner, I think can answer just about any questions you might have.

Is it controllable in full-auto fire?
Yes, recoil is really negligible.

Is it easy to maintain?
I didn't find the weapon difficult to maintain, field strips pretty easily and didn't have any trouble cleaning it.

Is it reliable?
Well that depends on who you ask, as a lot of the SAWs in the inventory are pretty much worn out. The one I was issued looked as though it was already in use when my father was in the army, the finishing on it was just about gone. Though in general they still worked, worked fine with live ammunition, but not particularly great with blanks. They needed to be heavily lubricated if you want it to work well with blank ammunition, something which I noticed not many people do.

Is it light weight?
Compared to the GPMG, yes. Compared to the SAR21, no.

Quoted:
Is the FN 5.7 pistol a fielded military weapon there?

Yes, but only with the Commandos. Those guys get pretty much all the cool toys they want. The pistol the rest of the army uses, is the SIG P226.
Link Posted: 5/30/2012 3:52:27 PM EDT
[#47]
Very informative, thank you!
Link Posted: 5/30/2012 4:23:45 PM EDT
[#48]
Nice pics!



I had some Singaporean engineers in one of my classes.  Very sharp young men.


 
Link Posted: 5/30/2012 5:23:11 PM EDT
[#49]
Thanks for the comments

A short video showcasing some of the highlights of the event.

CyberpioneerTV: Action in the city!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mpz-cAWEr8[/youtube]

Missed the action at the Army Open House? cyberpioneerTV brings you highlights of the fun and exciting happenings that took place on 26 and 27 May at the F1 Pit and speaks to members of the public about their experiences at the Open House. Watch out for the entertaining military show which features the likes of the SAF band and the military police, and fireworks!


Looks like I missed some of the exhibits.
Link Posted: 5/30/2012 5:39:22 PM EDT
[#50]


This image brought back memories, both pleasant and unpleasant. That was the style of uniform I wore when I did my NS back in '86 to '88.
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