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6/9/2018 5:45:23 PM EDT
[#1]
Went from being not interested at all - to being VERY interested with a bunch of asterisks.

Reservations / Questions:


  • What is the appox cyclic rate for the A1 US model? In this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoN4viUWiXI Rob Pincus shows the difference in the A2 and A3 under full auto. It's clear the A2 isn't as smooth. Pincus even claims the A3 has "about 1/2 the recoil". Coming from MP5s, the next gun I buy has to be almost as smooth and suppress almost as well. It appears if the cyclic rate on the A3 is really 600rpm - that will suppress REALLY well (same rate as an Uzi, slower than an MP5) and that the way they are dropping the rate 200rpm is by delayed blowback. Does the US model have the A3's rpm (if it was an auto) / dwell time / peak bolt velocity?

  • Is the USA selector backwards from an AR-15? If so, WHY!? Who would do that!? Can it be fixed with an AR selector? Will any AR selector fit? I've grown very accustomed to my 60degree Noveske selectors.

  • Is there a reason so much of the barrel is exposed? Can Grand Power please throw a three lug on it either either a longer rail or a shorter barrel? I'm cautious that the barrel diameter is too small to cut and rethread to 1/2x28, and that the barrel is removed with a wrench that needs this extra space.

  • Actual compatibility with an AR-15 trigger? "Some parts" doesn't mean I can drop a binary trigger in, and I'd like to.

  • What is the 45degree obround cut into the sides of the receiver just after the chamber for?

  • Does the A1 have a removable grip or not? I've seen it claimed both ways already.

  • Does the A1/A2 have the dual mass bolt/carrier or not? (See edit) Does that part change in the A3 in a way other than to make it non-reciprocating?



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  • If the A3 (non-reciprocating handle, 600rpm isn't brought into the USA, I won't buy one. I've had too many 9mm carbines that don't suppress as well or shoot as smooth as the MP5. With the number of options on the market including the number of MP5 clones, I see no point. That doesn't mean there isn't a market for the A2, but there is a chance the A3 is something special and there is not a lot of options for low cyclic rate, smooth 9mm guns. Lots of claims, few actual options.

  • PLEASE change the font from extreme sarrifs on the side of the gun. It's not a great font. I don't care what it says on the side, but maybe we can make it less of a retro billboard?

  • Sell parts. The ones you think no one wants - offer those. Bring in a handful of guns and sell any and all parts off of them, sell a barrel, sell a bolt, sell a receiver, sell screws and sell anything. Create a market of people who want to tweak on and modify their guns.
    [li]You are competeting with Scorpion Evo, so either keep the mag cost low, or prove your gun is smoother. Because that is the downfall of the Evo, no one says it has too much recoil, but it does have more than a good DI 556.



Good luck. I hope you have the gun I think you might have, and if you do, I hope you get it where it needs to be for the US market.

EDIT: The dual mass seems to be a bit of marketing speak. It SEEMS to be a bolt with a lot of the weight above the barrel into the charging handle. So it's nothing special really, just two sections of the bolt in an L shape where the vertical part of the L is the charging handle support. The A3 appears to use a real delayed blowback method that seems to be still under development.
6/9/2018 11:46:41 PM EDT
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Went from being not interested at all - to being VERY interested with a bunch of asterisks.

Reservations / Questions:


  • What is the appox cyclic rate for the A1 US model? In this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoN4viUWiXI Rob Pincus shows the difference in the A2 and A3 under full auto. It's clear the A2 isn't as smooth. Pincus even claims the A3 has "about 1/2 the recoil". Coming from MP5s, the next gun I buy has to be almost as smooth and suppress almost as well. It appears if the cyclic rate on the A3 is really 600rpm - that will suppress REALLY well (same rate as an Uzi, slower than an MP5) and that the way they are dropping the rate 200rpm is by delayed blowback. Does the US model have the A3's rpm (if it was an auto) / dwell time / peak bolt velocity?

  • Is the USA selector backwards from an AR-15? If so, WHY!? Who would do that!? Can it be fixed with an AR selector? Will any AR selector fit? I've grown very accustomed to my 60degree Noveske selectors.

  • Is there a reason so much of the barrel is exposed? Can Grand Power please throw a three lug on it either either a longer rail or a shorter barrel? I'm cautious that the barrel diameter is too small to cut and rethread to 1/2x28, and that the barrel is removed with a wrench that needs this extra space.

  • Actual compatibility with an AR-15 trigger? "Some parts" doesn't mean I can drop a binary trigger in, and I'd like to.

  • What is the 45degree obround cut into the sides of the receiver just after the chamber for?

  • Does the A1 have a removable grip or not? I've seen it claimed both ways already.

  • Does the A1/A2 have the dual mass bolt/carrier or not? Does that part change in the A3 in a way other than to make it non-reciprocating?



Suggestions:


  • If the A3 (non-reciprocating handle, 600rpm isn't brought into the USA, I won't buy one. I've had too many 9mm carbines that don't suppress as well or shoot as smooth as the MP5. With the number of options on the market including the number of MP5 clones, I see no point. That doesn't mean there isn't a market for the A2, but there is a chance the A3 is something special and there is not a lot of options for low cyclic rate, smooth 9mm guns. Lots of claims, few actual options.

  • PLEASE change the font from extreme sarrifs on the side of the gun. It's not a great font. I don't care what it says on the side, but maybe we can make it less of a retro billboard?
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  • Sell parts. The ones you think no one wants - offer those. Bring in a handful of guns and sell any and all parts off of them, sell a barrel, sell a bolt, sell a receiver, sell screws and sell anything. Create a market of people who want to tweak on and modify their guns.
    [li]You are competeting with Scorpion Evo, so either keep the mag cost low, or prove your gun is smoother. Because that is the downfall of the Evo, no one says it has too much recoil, but it does have more than a good DI 556.



Good luck. I hope you have the gun I think you might have, and if you do, I hope you get it where it needs to be for the US market.
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Please direct your questions to the US importer on the specifics.  I'm in Saudi Arabia, and as Jaro is very busy in Slovakia, it's hard for me to get time to talk to him.  His English is better than my Slovak, but very specific questions like that are a bit hard for me to translate.
6/10/2018 12:40:42 AM EDT
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I'd run one against my B&T APC9.

Wondering if I can tuck a Octane can under the handguard for the SD look. (Can't on my APC9, not about to fork over more $ for the SD version.)
SD-C compatible??
Pic rail rear plate would be the tits, especially with Sig rattler stock.

Would prefer top pic rail all the way, instead of integrated back ups, to drop on the Scorpion backups.
6/10/2018 3:34:09 PM EDT
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Please direct your questions to the US importer on the specifics.  I'm in Saudi Arabia, and as Jaro is very busy in Slovakia, it's hard for me to get time to talk to him.  His English is better than my Slovak, but very specific questions like that are a bit hard for me to translate.
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Those questions aren't for 'you'. I posted those to let other people know what to consider, ask, and my comments on what would make it a good product. If those get to GP or Eagle, great, that's who they're casually directed at.
6/10/2018 4:04:02 PM EDT
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Those questions aren't for 'you'. I posted those to let other people know what to consider, ask, and my comments on what would make it a good product. If those get to GP or Eagle, great, that's who they're casually directed at.
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As I am the OP, and have been answering most of the questions, you may understand my error.
6/10/2018 4:07:45 PM EDT
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Pic rail rear plate would be the tits, especially with Sig rattler stock.
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Would be easy enough to do.  Rear plate is a QD thing.  Hell, just take the stock backplate and bolt a 1913 section to it.
6/10/2018 5:04:02 PM EDT
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PSA has them for 900 now!
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http://palmettostatearmory.com/grand-power-stribog-sp9a1-9mm-pistol-w-brace-adaptor-sb-tactical-pistol-brace.html

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6/11/2018 2:14:14 PM EDT
[#8]
I like it. I just have a hard time justifying another type of magazine in the collection. As dumb as that sounds I have more than I could ever use and buying accessories for another platform doesn't seem wise. On the other hand. I want one.
6/15/2018 5:58:58 PM EDT
[#9]
Please, please tell me the factory stock will be an available option...get sick of AR stocks on every damn gun out there.
6/15/2018 10:54:41 PM EDT
[#10]
Graham Baates has done a pretty good take-down video.  The close-ups should show you the quality of Jaro's guys' work.
NEW! Stribog by Grand Power Tabletop Review and Field Strip
6/15/2018 11:08:35 PM EDT
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Graham Baates has done a pretty good take-down video.  The close-ups should show you the quality of Jaro's guys' work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAKZVGyS_es
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There is nothing I don't like about this, well, except that it isn't full auto.

Someday I hope to have one of these and a GHM-9 to go with my Scorpion.

Preferably all with Tailhook braces, suppressors and binary triggers.
6/16/2018 4:33:44 PM EDT
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Anyone know how well these will suppress? What about replacement parts availability?
6/16/2018 9:06:03 PM EDT
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The parts thing shouldn't be an issue, as they are in full production for the European and South American markets, already.

As far as running suppressed, here is Rob Pincus with the US version running the PCC Steel Challenge:
Grand Power Stribog Steel Challenge
6/16/2018 9:22:12 PM EDT
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Is the non-reciprocating charging handle version available? Because that charging handle placement is atrocious.
6/16/2018 9:27:51 PM EDT
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Not yet.
6/18/2018 4:32:03 PM EDT
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I heard back from Grand Power USA, they do seem to be planning to import the factory stock, but do not have any kind of ETA.
6/19/2018 9:17:21 AM EDT
[#17]
Well, they sold out at all the distributors, so that is a plus.
6/21/2018 2:31:24 AM EDT
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Is the non-reciprocating charging handle version available? Because that charging handle placement is atrocious.
Not yet.
ETA? thanks for answering btw.
6/21/2018 2:48:00 AM EDT
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No clue, as that's between Jaro, the BATFE, and Eagle.  All design modifications have to be approved by the ATF.  The M-Lok approval happened in a few days.  Basic operational method may take a bit longer.  It's available as the SR9A3 in Europe, and on his select fire models.  They don't have to worry about barrel length and all that garbage over there.  The Russkies, Brazilians, and a few military organizations are ordering as many as he can make, right now.  With the last round bolt hold open and reduced recoil impulse, they are very handy little subguns.  We get the neutered version, but I would still love to be able to own one.  Unfortunately, the Slovakian embargo against the Philippines is still in place, last I heard.
6/22/2018 11:42:04 AM EDT
[#20]
did you mean the US version does not have lrbho?
6/22/2018 11:47:39 AM EDT
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It DOES have LRBHO.

It does not yet have the non-reciprocating charging handle.  I talked to the guys at Eagle this morning, and they said they have started the process to get the "A3" style delayed blowback with the non-reciprocating charging handle, but it may take some time since it is not just a cosmetic tweak like the M-Lok slots were.  Those were approved in a few days.  This will take a bit longer.
6/23/2018 8:26:52 AM EDT
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Just posted a "First Impressions" review in the Armory PCC section.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/STRIBOG-SP9A1-First-Impressions/48-490394/
6/23/2018 8:41:40 AM EDT
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Just posted a "First Impressions" review in the Armory PCC section.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/STRIBOG-SP9A1-First-Impressions/48-490394/
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Made hot.
6/23/2018 10:10:24 AM EDT
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No clue, as that's between Jaro, the BATFE, and Eagle.  All design modifications have to be approved by the ATF.  The M-Lok approval happened in a few days.  Basic operational method may take a bit longer.  It's available as the SR9A3 in Europe, and on his select fire models.  They don't have to worry about barrel length and all that garbage over there.  The Russkies, Brazilians, and a few military organizations are ordering as many as he can make, right now.  With the last round bolt hold open and reduced recoil impulse, they are very handy little subguns.  We get the neutered version, but I would still love to be able to own one.  Unfortunately, the Slovakian embargo against the Philippines is still in place, last I heard.
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Excuse the tangent, but why does Slovakia embargo the Philippines?
6/23/2018 10:52:23 AM EDT
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Remember the uproar over all the dead drug dealers since Duterte took over?  All the lefties were screaming to boycott?  Well, Slovakia did.  Surprised me some, as it's a fairly conservative place for a former Communist country.  I loved it there during my prolonged visit.  Well, except for the 6 weeks in a hospital part.
6/23/2018 4:38:40 PM EDT
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Remember the uproar over all the dead drug dealers since Duterte took over?  All the lefties were screaming to boycott?  Well, Slovakia did.  Surprised me some, as it's a fairly conservative place for a former Communist country.  I loved it there during my prolonged visit.  Well, except for the 6 weeks in a hospital part.
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Man, I bet the Filipinos really felt the sting from missing all those Slovakian products they use.
6/26/2018 7:36:12 PM EDT
[#27]
GB Guns made a vid showing it running through a whole slew of different ammo. It ate everything.
Grand Power Stribog Shooting Impressions Pt1
6/26/2018 7:38:20 PM EDT
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You will note that in the above vid, he wound up putting a Taihook on, with a Matador folding device. Me likey!
6/28/2018 1:32:50 PM EDT
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55 back in stock at Jerrys right now, so you can ask your LGS if they order from them.
6/28/2018 7:34:26 PM EDT
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Well, at least one got spoke for.
6/28/2018 7:41:56 PM EDT
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Same. I want something smoother than my 9mm blowback AR.
6/28/2018 7:53:20 PM EDT
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Thinking a VZ26 stock? Manticore Chinese folder? M2 paratrooper stock?
6/28/2018 7:55:03 PM EDT
[#33]
I'm almost as interested in this as I am in the Scorpion Micro

Get both, but poor
6/28/2018 8:23:40 PM EDT
[#34]
they should sue B&T
6/29/2018 7:07:46 AM EDT
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Link?
6/29/2018 8:49:57 AM EDT
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55 back in stock at Jerrys right now, so you can ask your LGS if they order from them.
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Jerry's is a distributor. My LGS found it in a couple seconds by searching "Stribog"
6/29/2018 9:05:43 AM EDT
[#37]
It's a really cool little gun.  Interested.
6/29/2018 9:54:08 PM EDT
[#38]
I pick up one this afternoon at one of the local gun stores here in Las Vegas !!! Can’t wait to go shot it !!!
6/30/2018 1:14:42 AM EDT
[#39]
Looks like Palmetto has these for $799. Good guns, or if I am wanting a 9mm pistol...look for something else?
7/1/2018 5:16:50 PM EDT
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I ordered mine handled one at the LGS, very impressed with the quality, couldn’t resist the palmetto deal
7/2/2018 8:33:58 AM EDT
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Wanna see something neat?  Jaro just asked my opinion on this for .mil and .eu customers.  Select fire, of course.  The Stribog K (Name may change):


Dimensions in millimeters, of course.
7/2/2018 7:44:46 PM EDT
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As far as a 9mm PCC goes......what's the best for $800 or less? Still that stribog deal from PSA?
7/2/2018 7:49:57 PM EDT
[#43]
Jerry's ships slow. My Stribog didn't show up today.
7/2/2018 7:57:37 PM EDT
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Kind of reminds me of something you’d see in a Judge Dread movie.
Kind of cool, I wouldn’t buy one, but I’m not the target audience. I don’t have any sub type guns.
7/3/2018 1:33:49 PM EDT
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Why would you say this? If I'm not mistaken B&T was out well before the Stribog...
7/3/2018 3:12:48 PM EDT
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they should sue B&T
Why would you say this? If I'm not mistaken B&T was out well before the Stribog...
I don't know why, either.  They operate differently from the B&T offerings.  He's been developing this thing for a few years, and it's already in the Canadian, European, Brazilian, and Russian markets.  The US is just getting it a bit later due to the ATF hoops.  B&T makes a great product, but they are distinct from GP.  I wouldn't mind having a couple of B&T firearms myself.  I can't wait for the delayed blowback non-reciprocating model to hit the US.  I believe it will be a hit.  This one, as is, shouldn't do too badly, either.  We'll have to wait to see what the ATF will say.
7/3/2018 7:05:14 PM EDT
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Got mine today.

-Very nicely machined.
-Plastic end cap sucks. I'll need to get something made in AL so I can mount a stock.
-Factory mags fit great. Colt 9mm mags will lock in the gun but are very loose. I'm going to try and see if I can fire the gun with them but I'm betting they will fail to feed or fall out. Really doesn't matter as the factory mags are cheap, I just have a pile of colt mags.
-Gun desperately needs a 45 degree selector, and slightly larger.
-Charging handle is going to catch a lot of thumbs. I moved mine to the right side of the gun.
-one of the best factory triggers I've tried in a long time.

Honestly, if I could make one change it's to ship the gun with an AL back plate or at least offer one for sale for those of use who want to mount our own stocks.
7/3/2018 7:26:01 PM EDT
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Wanna see something neat?  Jaro just asked my opinion on this for .mil and .eu customers.  Select fire, of course.  The Stribog K (Name may change):
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1232/Stribog_K-594348.jpg

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YES.

7/3/2018 7:40:49 PM EDT
[#49]
Barrel theads should have a thread relief.
7/6/2018 5:48:58 PM EDT
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Now available at Aim Surplus.

About $740 not including tax and shipping.

No brace, but I prefer to add my own.

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