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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:40:50 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When I worked for the utility, we allowed you to opt out of smart meters, but we made sure you paid more for it. I don't get the big complaint about it, Id rather they get pinged my usage then have someone physically come on my property to check the meter. Smart meters seem like more privacy to me personally. But you do you, it's not really a big deal either way. They'd rather have a series of guys walking around in their back or side yards to check power, water, and gas. I'm with you, no thanks. I know they can look in my windows and see my naked wife, or my 14-year old grand daughter (who like all 14-year old females on ARF.COM is perpetually naked in the backyard), or a gun rack of 30 semi-automatic weapons. Those are pretty hard do deduce by looking at my milliampere draw. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:40:56 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 'remote reading of electric meter is a bad thing' lol Fucking GD is retarded. Ignorance is bliss |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:42:37 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well OP, I wouldn't get one. They will control it, overriding your input. They do it regularly already in some countries, and have done it in a few states here as well (in what were termed emergency power situations). They pitch it as safety and saving you money, and apparently will penalize the hell out of you for non-compliance. What "input" are you providing to your power meter, and that you're thinking they're going to override? |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:43:55 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ignorance is bliss Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 'remote reading of electric meter is a bad thing' lol Fucking GD is retarded. Ignorance is bliss But it apparently doesn't hold a candle to the ecstasy provided by paranoid delusions. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:46:29 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But it apparently doesn't hold a candle to the ecstasy provided by paranoid delusions. Dude, youre most likely in ERCOT, where they plan shit so poorly that they will likely will start using smart meters to limit power useage during extreme temperature events. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:46:32 PM EST
[#6]
Smart Meters far and away more likely to set your house on fire than EMI/RFI you. Google images, smart meter fire.
All that said, I have three. Only gripe I have is the fucker that installed them threw the old seals on the ground as they walked away. Yeah, I’m easily griped. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:48:31 PM EST
[#7]
I work for a utility company. Smart meters are nothing to be concerned about. You are throwing your money away for nothing.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:50:03 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I work for a utility company. Smart meters are nothing to be concerned about. You are throwing your money away for nothing. I also work for a utility company. These are actual concerns brought up and voiced internally. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:52:45 PM EST
[#9]
If you don’t pay your bill how do they turn your power off? I’ve always paid my bill don’t know.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:52:52 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, youre most likely in ERCOT, where they plan shit so poorly that they will likely will start using smart meters to limit power useage during extreme temperature events. man the derp is getting thick in here... how do they 'limit power usage' with a smart meter? (other than turning off your power totally) i mean i know they do rolling blackouts in california but you aint gonna prevent this by not allowing them to install a smart meter. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:55:22 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: man the derp is getting thick in here... how do they 'limit power usage' with a smart meter? (other than turning off your power totally) i mean i know they do rolling blackouts in california but you aint gonna prevent this by not allowing them to install a smart meter. They would do it by shutting off your power. Its already been explained in this thread. One user pointed out agreements that would allow his power to be shut off for 15 minutes every hour. Wouldnt be hard to set up logic to shut off power for any usage over X for an hour. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:55:25 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, youre most likely in ERCOT, where they plan shit so poorly that they will likely will start using smart meters to limit power useage during extreme temperature events. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But it apparently doesn't hold a candle to the ecstasy provided by paranoid delusions. Dude, youre most likely in ERCOT, where they plan shit so poorly that they will likely will start using smart meters to limit power useage during extreme temperature events. Another paranoia sufferer who's unfamiliar with the concept of rolling blackouts, which is already used in such instances, in spite of smart meters being in widespread use throughout the state...dude. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:59:26 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another paranoia sufferer who's unfamiliar with the concept of rolling blackouts, which is already used in such instances, in spite of smart meters being in widespread use throughout the state...dude. With what has happened the last few years there, I bet its coming very soon. They've already started with preemptive shutoffs when its dry and windy, and thats also something that "would never happen". |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:01:03 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With what has happened the last few years there, I bet its coming very soon. They've already started with preemptive shutoffs when its dry and windy, and thats also something that "would never happen". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another paranoia sufferer who's unfamiliar with the concept of rolling blackouts, which is already used in such instances, in spite of smart meters being in widespread use throughout the state...dude. With what has happened the last few years there, I bet its coming very soon. They've already started with preemptive shutoffs when its dry and windy, and thats also something that "would never happen". Which has fuck-all to do with smart meters. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:01:10 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: man the derp is getting thick in here... how do they 'limit power usage' with a smart meter? (other than turning off your power totally) i mean i know they do rolling blackouts in california but you aint gonna prevent this by not allowing them to install a smart meter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dude, youre most likely in ERCOT, where they plan shit so poorly that they will likely will start using smart meters to limit power useage during extreme temperature events. man the derp is getting thick in here... how do they 'limit power usage' with a smart meter? (other than turning off your power totally) i mean i know they do rolling blackouts in california but you aint gonna prevent this by not allowing them to install a smart meter. "throttling"....turn your speed down to 40 hertz. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:01:21 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The power change of appliances is easily identifiable. Smaller devices and lights would typically fall under a base load or noise. The meters we installed in Washington are pulling real time data that is stored and searchable in our PI servers. If you feel comfortable projecting your routines to the world, go for it. Im not. The thieves in California are so fucking smart they came up with a fool proof way of determining whether people are in a home or not before robbing them. They knock on the door. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:02:03 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, I'm sure the power company is selling data on your living habits to burglars and/or SWAT teams. Live. Aren't they going to be surprised when they find out I can sit in my home with the washer running or not. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:02:43 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which has fuck-all to do with smart meters. It doesn't. It has to do with the mindset of the commissions allowing utility operators to shut off peoples power for the greater good |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:04:03 PM EST
[#19]
Smart meter just reads your usage for your bill, its physically impossible for a meter to throttle your power.....
Edit Holy crap some of yall are really daft |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:04:50 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there something potentially dangerous or embarrassing that could be exploited? What is the worst? What revenue stream can be built off the knowledge of a persons power consumption -- solar panel salesmen. Ah damn it, there it is. The thieves in California are so fucking smart they came up with a fool proof way of determining whether people are in a home or not before robbing them. They knock on the door. With people like you in IT, its no wonder how much data is stolen. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:05:28 PM EST
[#21]
When my rural Christian power co-op wanted to change to the digital meter I had a long list of questions and concerns and they assured me that this will only send some signal to their reader as they drive by. It cannot connect to any Wi-Fi or any smart device. They knew what I was talking about. If that were the case, they wouldn’t be swapping them out. The only reason they are going to digital is they don’t have enough people willing to read meters.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:05:30 PM EST
[#22]
You can go right to your meter and see your instantaneous power consumption, max, and all kinds of things. You can turn things on and off and see how much power they draw. See your max to size a generator.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:05:30 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:JFC dude, it’s a short SHORT step to shutting shit off to save Mother Earth . After the past 15 years you can’t see this shit ? You're claiming that this couldn't be mandated by government regulation or law so that we need to reject the voluntary acceptance? Or are you saying that if people don't volunteer for the power discounts and get smart meters in the future the government won't try to save Mother Earth? I think if there's something the government wants done they have any level of violence required to make it happen, smart meter discounts or not. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:06:26 PM EST
[#24]
Smart meters...lol Most of you guys won't survive....
 
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:07:10 PM EST
[#25]
My utility is now offering non peak pricing, lower rates for running your appliances at night.
You need a smart meter for that. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:07:29 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But it apparently doesn't hold a candle to the ecstasy provided by paranoid delusions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 'remote reading of electric meter is a bad thing' lol Fucking GD is retarded. Ignorance is bliss But it apparently doesn't hold a candle to the ecstasy provided by paranoid delusions. Enjoy your chains. Cell phones, gps, apps, social media, Alexa, Siri, smart tv's and washers and refrigerators and electric meters. "Convenience" comes at a cost. If you haven't yet realized that, and how all tech is now hoovering up your data to sell it and control you, good luck. You will need it. That sums up this thread and nothing else needs be said. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:07:49 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't. It has to do with the mindset of the commissions allowing utility operators to shut off peoples power for the greater good Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which has fuck-all to do with smart meters. It doesn't. It has to do with the mindset of the commissions allowing utility operators to shut off peoples power for the greater good Which they can already do...and DO already do, and always have done...with no smart meter required, which is one point among many that you seem to be missing. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:08:30 PM EST
[#28]
Give me a few. Just logged back in to see the responses. Going to try to go through them one by one..
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:09:35 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Enjoy your chains. "Convenience" comes at a cost. If you haven't yet realized that, and how all tech is now hovering up your data to sell it and control you, good luck. You will need it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 'remote reading of electric meter is a bad thing' lol Fucking GD is retarded. Ignorance is bliss But it apparently doesn't hold a candle to the ecstasy provided by paranoid delusions. Enjoy your chains. "Convenience" comes at a cost. If you haven't yet realized that, and how all tech is now hovering up your data to sell it and control you, good luck. You will need it. Enjoy your mental illness...and $500/year energy surcharges. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:09:45 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I work for a utility company. Smart meters are nothing to be concerned about. You are throwing your money away for nothing. Did they tell you to say that in your smart meter security training?  It doesn't matter. They can't learn. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:10:47 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don’t pay your bill how do they turn your power off? I’ve always paid my bill don’t know. With a smart meter they push a software button. Dumb meter they sent a guy in a truck, with police escort if needed. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:11:21 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "throttling"....turn your speed down to 40 hertz. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dude, youre most likely in ERCOT, where they plan shit so poorly that they will likely will start using smart meters to limit power useage during extreme temperature events. man the derp is getting thick in here... how do they 'limit power usage' with a smart meter? (other than turning off your power totally) i mean i know they do rolling blackouts in california but you aint gonna prevent this by not allowing them to install a smart meter. "throttling"....turn your speed down to 40 hertz. How the hell do they do that for one house? |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:11:54 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which they can already do...and DO already do, and always have done...with no smart meter required, which is one point among many that you seem to be missing. They are very hesitant to shut off entire distribution feeders due to critical infrastructure running on it. This would be inplemented far before anything that would cause them to shut down entire circuits. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:12:11 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How the hell do they do that for one house? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dude, youre most likely in ERCOT, where they plan shit so poorly that they will likely will start using smart meters to limit power useage during extreme temperature events. man the derp is getting thick in here... how do they 'limit power usage' with a smart meter? (other than turning off your power totally) i mean i know they do rolling blackouts in california but you aint gonna prevent this by not allowing them to install a smart meter. "throttling"....turn your speed down to 40 hertz. How the hell do they do that for one house? with a smart meter I'm joking...they can't do that. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:12:54 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hot water useage kicks on the hot water heater. Appliances have identifiable power useage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: selling my data is a different thing. does any power company do that? and 'do you want the power company selling off info, like when you take a shower'? wanna explain to me how you take electric showers? Hot water useage kicks on the hot water heater. Appliances have identifiable power useage. Here is the last 24 hours of my usage, at 10 second intervals, which is better than what a "Smart" meter would report.  Attached FileIdentify my appliances, please. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:13:00 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So they are saying it costs $38 a month to read 1 meter? Or is that punitive? $38 per month re-accuring |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:13:55 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is your exact concern about a remote reading power meter? The California model where they remotely shut you off. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:14:01 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How the hell do they do that for one house? They dont. They were making a joke. The grid operates at 60 hz. Anything more than a very small variance from that brings the whole system down. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:15:15 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are very hesitant to shut off entire distribution feeders due to critical infrastructure running on it. This would be inplemented far before anything that would cause them to shut down entire circuits. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which they can already do...and DO already do, and always have done...with no smart meter required, which is one point among many that you seem to be missing. They are very hesitant to shut off entire distribution feeders due to critical infrastructure running on it. This would be inplemented far before anything that would cause them to shut down entire circuits. who is 'they' and 'them'? and 'they' sound like the group i wanna join since 'they' will be the overlords. if there's gonna be a slave train, i wanna be the conductor... |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:15:26 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: im gonna guess its punitive. smart meter? i assume this means it emits a radio signal and a truck drives through the neighborhood and scans signals to collect usage. there are variations of this. what it means is a guy doesnt have to get out of his truck and walk down and record readings off the meter. since you wont let them install it, it requires a person do it manually. thus the charge. i assume it DOESNT MEAN that its smart in the effect that it can reduce the power delivered to your house and that its outside of your control. im sure there are folks on here that can verify this. the 'smart' thermostat stuff IS an invasion as you agree to let them install it and then when they want, the control the temp in your house at certain times... You’re a rght from the standpoint were they cannot reduce your power to a certain level. I’m not sure there’s a way to “” throttle it. But they can remotely shut you off and that is a real thing. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:15:34 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is the last 24 hours of my usage, at 10 second intervals, which is better than what a "Smart" meter would report. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/103022/98A048E1-31D4-4FC2-901C-F740B748F737_jpg-2626337.JPG Identify my appliances, please. Our smart meters have real time access. Run algorithms against it for typical start up and run draws for appliances and you have your answer. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:16:21 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol Arfcom and smart meters. Smart meters are a good thing. Especially during storms. Or when people don’t pay their bill. Just don’t sign up for other programs that let the poco control your Tstat/ac/wtfever. Why control the thermostat. When you can just shut off the power going in? |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:16:29 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: who is 'they' and 'them'? and 'they' sound like the group i wanna join since 'they' will be the overlords. if there's gonna be a slave train, i wanna be the conductor... They are the system operators for whatever utility operates your local grid. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:17:28 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: with a smart meter I'm joking...they can't do that. Quote HistoryQuoted: with a smart meter I'm joking...they can't do that. Quoted: Quoted: How the hell do they do that for one house? They dont. They were making a joke. The grid operates at 60 hz. Anything more than a very small variance from that brings the whole system down. I know. I wasn't asking, I was calling shenanigans. Guess I ruined the joke. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:18:03 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're claiming that this couldn't be mandated by government regulation or law so that we need to reject the voluntary acceptance? Or are you saying that if people don't volunteer for the power discounts and get smart meters in the future the government won't try to save Mother Earth? I think if there's something the government wants done they have any level of violence required to make it happen, smart meter discounts or not. It’s kind of like that stupid spy thing insurance companies want you to put in your car . They offer a discount so morons agree to it . Eventually it will be required . Electric companies will do the governments bidding just like all other industries . And yes gov will require them someday . And the purpose will be to shut off your power for the greater good . |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:18:37 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So my propane company is capitalist because they can't remotely read my tank level. (darn that would be handy as fuck) But my electric and water companies are Marxist because they can remotely measure my power consumption vice having to send a guy into my yard once a month? (that's handy as fuck) It’s not that they could just remotely read. I asked her so if you can remotely read, can you remotely shut off and she said yes. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:18:44 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are very hesitant to shut off entire distribution feeders due to critical infrastructure running on it. This would be inplemented far before anything that would cause them to shut down entire circuits. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which they can already do...and DO already do, and always have done...with no smart meter required, which is one point among many that you seem to be missing. They are very hesitant to shut off entire distribution feeders due to critical infrastructure running on it. This would be inplemented far before anything that would cause them to shut down entire circuits. No, they tend to rely on that. They will cut entire circuits that don't have critical infrastructure on them before they consider cutting individual meters. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:19:16 PM EST
[#48]
It sounds more like a monopoly than marxists.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:19:19 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They would do it by shutting off your power. Its already been explained in this thread. One user pointed out agreements that would allow his power to be shut off for 15 minutes every hour. Wouldnt be hard to set up logic to shut off power for any usage over X for an hour. The gird operator can still cut power to your house with a click of a button/throw of a switch ... smart meter or not and they've been doing it for more than 100 years. The smart meter just allows the power company to keep those people alive that have medical devices. They can't cut off the solar array on your roof. 
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:19:23 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are the system operators for whatever utility operates your local grid. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: who is 'they' and 'them'? and 'they' sound like the group i wanna join since 'they' will be the overlords. if there's gonna be a slave train, i wanna be the conductor... They are the system operators for whatever utility operates your local grid. yes i understand that operators operate the utility, but who is control of 'them'. thats the group i wanna join. overlords never have their power turned off. its good to be king. |
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