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Quoted: What details lead you to that? (curious, not a snek expert) View Quote Hard to tell from the pic- venomous cotton mouths have a head shaped like an arrow. Younger cotton mouths have horizontal bands that eventually turn black on the too side. Eyes are also slits and not round. Close enough for my taste to a cotton mouth- I’d shoot it if it was around my house |
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Quoted: It's a plain bellied water snake. Any one suggesting it's a water moccasin is wrong. Anyone suggesting it's a water moccasin due to "head shape" needs to learn to ID snakes based off more than old wive's tales. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/230525/IMG_1507_jpeg-2848899.JPG ETA: you could post it on Texas Snake Identification on FB, but I'd probably be the one to provide the ID there, too. View Quote I like snakes, but that V shaped head would yield it a sentence of "chop-n-bury for imitating a Water Moccasin" at my house. |
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Quoted: 100% non venomous water snake, I'd bet your life on it! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/133760/Screenshot_20220612-145626_Gallery_jpg-2848919.JPG View Quote That doesn't look like the snake in the OP. |
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Quoted: Pretty spot on. Add a little musk to that as well! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: NOT a moccasin. Looks to be a water snake....plain-bellied water snake perhaps. https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/602817/large.jpg?1386441347 Kinda pretty.. still has that bitey look some snakes have lol... like you know 9 times out of 10 if you mess with that particular species your gonna get snapped at. Pretty spot on. Add a little musk to that as well! LOL. I freaking hate getting musked on. |
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Quoted: That doesn't look like the snake in the OP. View Quote It is. Many color variations between snakes, and many varied colors throughout the season even with the same snake. I've caught this guy at least once a season for 3 seasons and sometimes the red is bright, sometimes it's barely noticeable. Sometimes it's dark, and when it's really dry out it's light olive. It's a plain bellied water snake and she'll flatten out like in the pic and put the old diamond head on display. When not threatened they're just thicker than the usual rat snake. |
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Quoted: I have had a few large rat snakes around my place for years. I like knowing they are around. Snapped this pic just two weeks ago..4 footer on a branch by the barn. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/413035/Screenshot_20230612_131722_Gallery_jpg-2848914.JPG That being said...the pit viper headed one in OP would get the shovel chop and bury treatment at my place. View Quote It's a harmless snake, not a pit viper. |
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that picture is hard to make out the markings of it.
either a watersnake or female copperhead. |
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Quoted: What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: that picture is hard to make out the markings of it. either a watersnake or female copperhead. What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? iT hAs A pOisoNoUs tRiAnGle HeAd |
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Quoted: What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? View Quote the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes |
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Water Moccasin and Water Snake Differences
Water Moccasin and Water Snake Differences Since the number of non-poisonous water snake species outnumber water moccasins, it's easy to confuse the two snakes because of similarities in coloring and habitats. The easiest way to identify the water moccasin from a non-venomous water snake is to check its head. Water snakes have long tapered heads that blend seamlessly into their bodies – and there are no heat-sensing pits below and between the eyes and the nose. All pit vipers, water moccasins included, have a distinctively wedge-shaped triangular head and much smaller necks than their heads. Water snakes prefer resting in the higher branches of trees near the water's edge while water moccasins prefer being closer to the water to take advantage of their prey. Water snakes differ from water moccasins in that the water snakes immediately bolt when threatened, even going underwater. Water moccasins stand their ground, gaping their wide mouths to discourage predators. Most water moccasins seldom bite when threatened, unless stepped on or picked up, and if given enough space, will turn and leave. |
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Quoted: the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes Tell me you've never seen a copperhead without telling me you've never seen a copperhead. Also, many non-venomous snakes flatten their heads when threatened. This is not a reliable indicator of a venomous snake. |
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It’s amazing there are any snakes left in the world with all of the ignorant pussies among us.
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Quoted: the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes You might want to reply to threads that don’t deal with identifying snakes from now on. |
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Quoted: the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes The snake was correctly identified as a non-venomous Plain-bellied Water snake on page 1. |
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Can't tell from the photo, not close enough, but looks to me to be a shovel snake.
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Quoted: Tell me you've never seen a copperhead without telling me you've never seen a copperhead. Also, many non-venomous snakes flatten their heads when threatened. This is not a reliable indicator of a venomous snake. View Quote https://howdoyoutell.info/how-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-male-and-female-copperhead/ If you live in the eastern U.S., there’s a good chance you’ve encountered a copperhead snake. These snakes are typically quite sized, reaching an average of 2 feet long. However, their shape and coloring can vary significantly between males and females. |
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Quoted: https://howdoyoutell.info/how-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-male-and-female-copperhead/ If you live in the eastern U.S., there’s a good chance you’ve encountered a copperhead snake. These snakes are typically quite sized, reaching an average of 2 feet long. However, their shape and coloring can vary significantly between males and females. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Tell me you've never seen a copperhead without telling me you've never seen a copperhead. Also, many non-venomous snakes flatten their heads when threatened. This is not a reliable indicator of a venomous snake. https://howdoyoutell.info/how-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-male-and-female-copperhead/ If you live in the eastern U.S., there’s a good chance you’ve encountered a copperhead snake. These snakes are typically quite sized, reaching an average of 2 feet long. However, their shape and coloring can vary significantly between males and females. “-Males also tend to be darker than females, with dark crossbands on their shoulders and around their necks.” That’s from the link you posted. Considering that the snake the OP asked about was pretty much black, I’d say you even proved yourself wrong. Nothing about that snake looked like a copperhead. |
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Quoted: I think it's a King snake. Moccasins are typically much fatter for their length. That being said, here's a moccasin caught by the contractor who handles our beaver removal needs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77154/Moccasin_JPG-2849011.jpg View Quote Even with a bit of forced perspective, that's a very large specimen. |
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I keep reading new posts and am amazed at the amount of idiots here that have no idea what they are talking about but are so confident in their incorrect identifications.
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Everyone who keeps getting their knickers in a twist about the "triangle head...oh the noez, kill it with fire"....90% of snakes flatten out their heads when threatened or messed with. That might be the LEAST reliable feature.
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Quoted: here is a moccasin. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/294279/download__2__jpeg-2848888.JPG View Quote |
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non venomous watersnake
I’ve seen them before flatten their head and body to look triangular also as said before… tail is too slender and long to be venomous |
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Quoted: It's a plain bellied water snake. Any one suggesting it's a water moccasin is wrong. Anyone suggesting it's a water moccasin due to "head shape" needs to learn to ID snakes based off more than old wive's tales. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/230525/IMG_1507_jpeg-2848899.JPG ETA: you could post it on Texas Snake Identification on FB, but I'd probably be the one to provide the ID there, too. View Quote Attached File Attached File |
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Not a cottonmouth and not a plain bellied water snake. Plain bellies have no patterns on their backs and orangish bellies.
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