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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:38:59 PM EST
[#1]
I just moved to 4/10s and it's a lot better. One less day of commuting and an extra day off.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:40:33 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What, people don’t want to be a slave for their job and actually want to spend time not working ? Sure, I'd love to have more time off, as long as it comes with a corresponding reduction in deliverables. But saying "you have to do the same amount of work, just do it quicker" will never fly. A lot of folks already picked up added responsibilities over the last few years as employers try to stay afloat in a foundering economy - particularly those good performers who always seem to be the ones who actually work hard and end up picking up the slack for others - and you can only squeeze so much blood out of that turnip. ETA: 4/10's is cool, more efficient IMHO. 4/8's is unrealistic. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:41:21 PM EST
[#3]
I have a flex schedule... pretty much I have to log at least 80 hours per bi-week.
I generally structure my time as 4/10's, Mon-Thurs. I like it. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:42:52 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you can do it from home then it can be do e from india... ...amiright? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: sounds like some more of those non-essential jobs... If you can do it from home then it can be do e from india... ...amiright? This |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:43:43 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A 9/80 schedule is the best compromise (ie 9 hours Mon-Thurs, 8 hours one Fri, off second Fri) you get one weekday off to do your personal stuff or just recharge and dick around without your wife and kids bothering you before the weekend. 4/10s (10hr Mon-Thru, off every Fri) sucks fucking ass by the end of the day and forget trying to go to any activities with the kids. Kharn I work 6am-4pm M-Thurs. Its easy. Kids and I play for a couple hours after work, make dinner, relax then bed. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:44:24 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I gotta find time to eat my A-toast!  Just couldn't justify the filet mignon for lunch  |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:45:33 PM EST
[#7]
32hrs a week is the new full time given the increase in worker productivity from 1979 to now.
The places that have run the experiments show that they have the same productivity from 4/32 as they do from 5/40. One link with a couple examples. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:45:47 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, fuck people for wanting to make more money in less time, or wanting to have more time for their actual life outside of work Your not supposed to have time, you should be tugging on dem bootstraps. All you should do it pursue money and power while kicking as many people as you can along the way. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:45:54 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just moved my group to 4/10s here and love it. Granted we still pick up the phone one weekends if need be, but every Fri off is nice. But that's 40 not 32. :shrug: Absolutely. Same amount of work, but it's a lot easier to go out of town for a weekend and I get at least three hours back on that fifth day that I don't have to prepare, commute, and spend lunch at or near the office. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:50:54 PM EST
[#10]
I work 4 10s and agree it kills evening time but gives an extra day off.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:51:14 PM EST
[#11]
For a millennial, OP is strangely out of touch. This has been a thing since, forever. Shoulda been a pilot JLP. 4 on 4 off, or 3 and 4, or 15 and 15. Or 3 and 27. It’s whatever you want.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:59:31 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For a millennial, OP is strangely out of touch. This has been a thing since, forever. Shoulda been a pilot JLP. 4 on 4 off, or 3 and 4, or 15 and 15. Or 3 and 27. It’s whatever you want. Or a firefighter and work 10 days a month. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:10:10 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Self employed. Last time I worked for someone else the work was 4 days of 9 hour work and a 4 hour day on Friday. Of course we supported an industry that was every day of the year. Wasn't bad, I lived 5 minutes from the office. I had a job that did this schedule in the summers, it was pretty nice. I've also worked 4-10s which was also pretty nice. My least favorite schedule was 6-10s, because the snow days broke it up just right that I never saw a penny of overtime. 
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:10:30 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The best work schedule I ever had by far was a “rolling 4-10 s “ . 4 days on , 4 days off . Overtime still paid on Sat , Sun , and holidays . Big construction job building STP nuclear plant near Bay City Texas back in 80’s -90’s . One of my brothers is working that schedule right now and really likes it. I'd love to go back to 4/10s but my boss just doesn't go for it, but he's one of those old head live to work types that does can to can't because he has pretty much no life outside of work. I think you'll start seeing more of a push for 4 day work weeks with more school districts going to 4 day weeks |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:14:02 PM EST
[#15]
I would trade my left nut to go to a 4 day workweek. I would even work 4 12's if that's what it took.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:22:52 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A 9/80 schedule is the best compromise (ie 9 hours Mon-Thurs, 8 hours one Fri, off second Fri) you get one weekday off to do your personal stuff or just recharge and dick around without your wife and kids bothering you before the weekend. 4/10s (10hr Mon-Thru, off every Fri) sucks fucking ass by the end of the day and forget trying to go to any activities with the kids. Kharn I worked 4/10s for a good part of my adult life and never had that issue, 6-4 or 630-430 and still plenty of time when I get home to do other stuff, plus regular 3 day weekends to travel, get other projects done around the house, etc, especially with homeschooled kids. Back on 5/8s now and hate it |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:28:54 PM EST
[#17]
I worked a 9/80 schedule for about three years and it was the best schedule ever....
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:34:28 PM EST
[#18]
Not this millennial. 32 hours is laziness.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:34:53 PM EST
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:36:00 PM EST
[#20]
As a guy who came up working in the field traveling, and grinding out 10 hour days.....who now owns the company and still does kinda the same thing.....I am all for anyone enjoying thier life rather than be a slave to a job.
If you can get your work done from home, or in 4 days.....have it and good for you! |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:36:48 PM EST
[#21]
No employer should be dumb enough to give out 20% raises and simply switch to 32hrs weeks. I've seen some people (lower tier employees) posting about this on social media recently.
4/10s work pretty decently in manufacturing. 4/10s SHOULD work in other areas, but every time I've seen it with customer facing people, lots of calls/emails get unanswered on nice Fridays. I suppose that's a management failure, but I've seen it tried multiple times, and despite a bunch of pinky swear promises to balance out what days people take off, the metrics show that human nature is to avoid Friday. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:37:26 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No employer should be dumb enough to give out 20% raises and simply switch to 32hrs weeks. I've seen some people (lower tier employees) posting about this on social media recently. 4/10s work pretty decently in manufacturing. 4/10s SHOULD work in other areas, but every time I've seen it with customer facing people, lots of calls/emails get unanswered on nice Fridays. I suppose that's a management failure, but I've seen it tried multiple times, and despite a bunch of pinky swear promises to balance out what days people take off, the metrics show that human nature is to avoid Friday. What would a COL increase be to match inflation? |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:37:43 PM EST
[#23]
I turned down a job because they were 4/10s in office.
I’m currently hybrid 2 days in office and that’s better IMO |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:38:12 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get it. Back in the early '90's we had 4 day work weeks at the plant I was working at. NBD. 4 x 10 and good to go. Everybody thinks they've invented some thing new and exciting when it's really just a re-hash of a known procedure.  Milli Vannili's want 4 8 hour days, not 4 10's. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:38:40 PM EST
[#25]
I would be good with a 32-hour work week at the same pay.
 edit: I've done the 4/10s routine before and it sucked. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:42:18 PM EST
[#26]
4/10s is the dream, 5/8s sucks.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:44:01 PM EST
[#27]
One of my FILs companies (manufacturing) went to 4-10's. Gives the guys 3 days to recoup, and when there's OT you can come in on Fri and work all you want, and still have a 2 day weekend.
It makes a lot of sense. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:51:29 PM EST
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:53:27 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: you'll have the "proud to work myself to death" types along soon enough Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, fuck people for wanting to make more money in less time, or wanting to have more time for their actual life outside of work you'll have the "proud to work myself to death" types along soon enough Must piss you guys off when you see others who worked their asses off and retired early and comfy. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:55:37 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just moved my group to 4/10s here and love it. Granted we still pick up the phone one weekends if need be, but every Fri off is nice. But that's 40 not 32. :shrug: When I still had a real job four 10s was by far the best schedule I’d ever worked. Eventually they had optional fifth days which was even better so if you wanted or needed to work you could get some overtime and still have two days off. Obviously that won’t work for every industry/position but I sincerely hope it takes off in the ones that can accommodate it. However I would of course assume that if people worked four 8 hour days that would only get paid for that, not for 40 hours. Expecting to work less and make the same amount is foolish. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:56:33 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4/10s is the dream, 5/8s sucks. Best was when I was a contractor working deliverables-only contracts. As long as I got XX task done by YY date nobody cared when I did it or how long it took. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:56:49 PM EST
[#32]
Yeah, having Fridays off is great.
OTOH, I usually get 1-2 days off PER MONTH. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:56:59 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If millennials are so lazy that they can't even handle a simple 9-5 schedule, then they definitely couldn't handle working as a first responder or in the medical field. It's not that they can't handle a 9-5 schedule or do a particular job. They just want a much better work / life balance and I, as a Gen X'er, can't blame them. I would much rather work four ten hour days than 5 eights. I'm a single dad who works from home as a professional tax preparer. When it's outside tax season, I usually work from the time my kids go to the bus stop (7am) until the time they walk back in the door (3:30) with a half hour off for lunch. that gives me 8 hours a day, five days a week, for 40 hours a week. As soon as I get off work, I jump right from work mode into Dad mode and the only time I get for myself is when they go to bed at 9 or every other Friday through Sunday when they're with their mom. I can't tell you the last time I went to the range. If I want to take some time to myself, I either have to take some sick time, take unpaid time off, or burn vacation time. When they go to their mom's, my time is usually spent grocery shopping or spending time with my girlfriend-who I only get to see on the weekends. If I could work four tens, I could have one day a week where I could do the things I like to do, whether it's go to the range, get lunch somewhere the kids don't like, hit the local gun shop, or even just sit around and watch porn. it would be wonderful to have a day to myself, where I could forget about work or my other responsibilities and just take care of my own needs. It's not like I get many of those days. During the summer, when the kids aren't in school, 4x10's would allow me three and/or four day weekends, so I could take the kids or my girlfriend on short getaways to show them the world outside the small town where we live. I would LOVE a 7am to 5:30p schedule, preferably if it was M-Th one week and Tu-F the following week. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:00:55 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just moved my group to 4/10s here and love it. Granted we still pick up the phone one weekends if need be, but every Fri off is nice. But that's 40 not 32. :shrug: |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:03:27 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No employer should be dumb enough to give out 20% raises and simply switch to 32hrs weeks. I've seen some people (lower tier employees) posting about this on social media recently. 4/10s work pretty decently in manufacturing. 4/10s SHOULD work in other areas, but every time I've seen it with customer facing people, lots of calls/emails get unanswered on nice Fridays. I suppose that's a management failure, but I've seen it tried multiple times, and despite a bunch of pinky swear promises to balance out what days people take off, the metrics show that human nature is to avoid Friday. @p3590 For that, rotate the staff who are off Fridays. Have half the staff work Monday through Thursday on Week 1 and Tuesday through Friday on Week 2, while the other half works Tuesday through Friday on Week 1 and Monday through Thursday on Week 2. Of course, in the customer service world, a large percentage of the workload comes in on Mondays and Fridays, so you'd only have half your staff on those days, which is where the problem lies. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:19:16 PM EST
[#36]
love the idea but its not possible in the transport industry. if i started telling my customers my guys worked that kind of schedule, theyd shit themselves.
i had a hard enough time selling them on five days when i cut out saturdays. that was the only positive of the china virus for me. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:19:42 PM EST
[#37]
More days off is better. We work and then we die. More camping trips when you have three day weekends
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:20:40 PM EST
[#38]
4-day work week
Avocado Toast Starbucks $1500 cell phone Millennials are truly winning at life.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:24:11 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell I'm ready for a three day week! I work 3 or 4 days a week now. I can do 3 no problem.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:29:20 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @p3590 For that, rotate the staff who are off Fridays. Have half the staff work Monday through Thursday on Week 1 and Tuesday through Friday on Week 2, while the other half works Tuesday through Friday on Week 1 and Monday through Thursday on Week 2. Of course, in the customer service world, a large percentage of the workload comes in on Mondays and Fridays, so you'd only have half your staff on those days, which is where the problem lies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No employer should be dumb enough to give out 20% raises and simply switch to 32hrs weeks. I've seen some people (lower tier employees) posting about this on social media recently. 4/10s work pretty decently in manufacturing. 4/10s SHOULD work in other areas, but every time I've seen it with customer facing people, lots of calls/emails get unanswered on nice Fridays. I suppose that's a management failure, but I've seen it tried multiple times, and despite a bunch of pinky swear promises to balance out what days people take off, the metrics show that human nature is to avoid Friday. @p3590 For that, rotate the staff who are off Fridays. Have half the staff work Monday through Thursday on Week 1 and Tuesday through Friday on Week 2, while the other half works Tuesday through Friday on Week 1 and Monday through Thursday on Week 2. Of course, in the customer service world, a large percentage of the workload comes in on Mondays and Fridays, so you'd only have half your staff on those days, which is where the problem lies. I believe it CAN be done, just every time I've seen it tried with customer facing people, it fails pretty quickly. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:29:40 PM EST
[#41]
Laughs in 2on/5off
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:34:07 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, I'd love to have more time off, as long as it comes with a corresponding reduction in deliverables. But saying "you have to do the same amount of work, just do it quicker" will never fly. A lot of folks already picked up added responsibilities over the last few years as employers try to stay afloat in a foundering economy - particularly those good performers who always seem to be the ones who actually work hard and end up picking up the slack for others - and you can only squeeze so much blood out of that turnip. ETA: 4/10's is cool, more efficient IMHO. 4/8's is unrealistic. I agree but there’s also an unrealistic expectation on most workers to do more and more to the point they keep from taking a day off because of the backload needing them to “make it up.” If an employee can knock out what work is assigned to them in a 36 hr week vs another employee needing say 42 hrs why does the 36 employee bother because he’ll just get more work to do. Obviously there’s two sides here and the needs of the business are paramount but to expect employees to do more and more without raises, promotions or any incentives is a problem. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:34:09 PM EST
[#43]
Previous job was 4-10s (Mo, Tu, Th, Fr...off We, Sa, Su). It was nice having 3 days off, but the job sucked ass so it really didn't matter how we worked. I currently do 5-8s, but I'm much happier because the job is MUCH better (plus I make more $$).
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:35:39 PM EST
[#44]
Since everyone is just talking about what they do, I'll join I work shifts, 11 hours, 5 on, 5 off, 2 on, 2 off. It's awesome. The 5 on can get a bit long by the end of it, but ample days off help. Also, I can burn 22 hours of leave and have 9 days off straight. I do it at least 6-8 times a year.
Not working is better than working. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:37:17 PM EST
[#45]
Quoted: The coronavirus pandemic upended office traditions around the world, making working from home the new normal and Zoom meetings the favored way to catch up with colleagues and clients. But millennials, often bashed by their elders as being workshy, are keen for more reforms to the work-life balance, with new polling showing the generation is considerably in favor of adopting a four-day working week. The concept of the four-day working week is simple: employees work a day less than the standard five, which works out as 32 work hours instead of 40. Workers still have to complete the same amount of work in 80 percent of the time, while in many cases still taking home their full compensation package. Numerous major companies have introduced a reduced week either every week or just some weeks, including Kickstarter, Bolt and Dolby. The idea is certainly gaining momentum. Bernie Sanders, chair of the U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, has pushed for four-day weeks in Congress. "The sad reality is, Americans now work more hours than the people of most other wealthy nations. And we're going to talk about what that means to the lives of ordinary people," he told lawmakers at a health committee hearing in March. "In 2022, employees in the U.S., and I hope people hear this, logged 204 more hours a year than employees in Japan, and they're hardworking people in Japan. 279 more hours than workers in the United Kingdom, and 470 more hours than workers in Germany." Newsweek has contacted Sanders via email for comment and clarification on these figures. Outside of the Capitol, numerous companies and non-profits dedicated to revolutionizing the way we work are becoming more and more notable. Several trials have been run in the U.S., U.K. and Europe to explore the potential benefits of relaxing more and working less. And it seems the younger generations are keen to capitalize on this growing trend. why wood millennials do this? Will never happen, … don’t care how hard the Bernie-bro slacker Millennials wish for it. Boomers need their SS monthly deposit in full, plus the funding of their full Medicare beneies to continue unabated. The country needs to move to a mandatory six day work week for employable person born on or after 1/1/1980.  |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:38:45 PM EST
[#46]
Loved 4/10s. Our company specialized in fast-track projects and most had unlimited overtime. Many of us worked 5/10s and even more. Some of us retired early because of the policy.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:41:47 PM EST
[#47]
Well, we haven't revisited the 40 hour work week since the days of Henry Ford.
The industrial revolution lead to all kinds of freedoms and fringe benefits for workers, but where is that for the technological revolution? It wouldn't be a bad thing if workers had an extra day off and could spend that with their families and doing the things they love to do. I know, I know, what about China and India and the third world eating our lunch by out producing us? Third world shitholes with defacto slave labor shouldn't be given access to our markets in the first place. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:55:44 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell I'm ready for a three day week! I'm loving my 3 12s. Pay is shit but I've been poor before. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:59:28 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, fuck people for wanting to make more money in less time, or wanting to have more time for their actual life outside of work Well hell, why work at all and the company can just pay them a living wage? What's the difference |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 4:06:47 PM EST
[#50]
Why is everyone posting about their 4/10 hour jobs? Did it mention it in the article? It's talking about reducing work hours to 4/8-hour days; a total reduction in work hours. 10 and 12 hour days work great for some jobs and don't for others. This is just an assault on people being productive Bernie wanting to ruin the US with even more socialism. It's the idea we basically shouldn't have to work but should get to have a nice middle class life. It's pie in the sky bullshit meant to undermine capitalism and force companies to pay people 40-hours of work for 32 hours of labor.
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